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Post by manfred on Aug 1, 2020 13:48:37 GMT -5
Well again, people not being stupid doesn't make the risk go to 0. And you also can't realistically count on every single one of a couple thousand people to never be stupid. And yeah, it might be the case that the bubble logistics for MLB simply couldn't work. But for a while there they were talking about doing it in Arizona, so it was at least on the table. Or they could've done 3 bubbles, since the schedules were divided between east/central/west anyway. What I heard some reporter saying is that the players basically nixed the bubble idea because they didn't want to be away from their families for that long. That suggests it was just a preference of the players, not a logistical issue. Who said it was zero? You have risks everyday going to work, the supermarkets and places like Walmart. We aren't seeing any cases related to travel. This is players going out, going to bars and now Casinos. Hence you need a deterrent, a big one and teams actually policing players. I'm sure a few random events might happen over months and months. You can deal with that. You can't deal with tons of players being stupid in every city they go to. You need the ability to suspend these guys and it needs to be big. The MLB dropped the ball. More time fighting about money than actually planning a system that could work. Players being stupid was always the issue, not traveling. Can you imagine how many guys are doing this? We only know about the ones you got Covid, not the ones that didn't. There are sites where you could do it. There aren't any sites where you can easily just lock players in a complex and easily monitor them like the NBA. John Oliver did a piece on this. Think of the numbers involved in a baseball lockdown. Full rosters+back up players+staffs + families etc etc. The numbers would be impossible. It isn’t just player travel... it is their families, the team staff, and on. I remember early in the AIDS crisis when they use to say you were having sex with everyone your partnered had had sex with ... now it is essentially you are breathing with everyone the people around you have breathed with. The biggest problem is probably the clubhouse. The Atlantic has a good article on the airborne nature of Covid, but essentially, it almost certainly lingers in closed spaces. So if a guy has it in a locker room, it is really hard to imagine it not spreading. I don’t know the answer. I am a huge Covid pessimist, and I don’t see most social practices being safe until there is a vaccine. But that is part of why I am sort of half attentive to this season.... I have a hard time seeing it work out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 1, 2020 15:50:25 GMT -5
Yeah the NBA and NHL bubbles also work because the teams don't play every day.
The way you could've done it, maybe, is three bubbles. Maybe NY, Chicago, LA, or something like that where you have multiple parks nearby. But even still, you'd have to play WAY fewer games because you'd still be so limited field-wise. But I'm not even sure that'd work.
Again, keep in mind that the point of this is to create a television product from which the league can make money, otherwise there's no point. Basketball you can figure out how to shoot in a random Disney gym. Hockey you can figure out how to shoot in a random Toronto rink. Baseball has more basic structural issues at all but the biggest non-MLB parks.
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 1, 2020 16:12:22 GMT -5
Make an example of the Marlins , who cares if they play this year. I’m sick of these guys others who are trying to do there best and these guys who could care less.
Selfishly I want to see ball and the SOX need this very badly. It can be done. Everything was fine until these losers.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 1, 2020 17:30:25 GMT -5
Who said it was zero? You have risks everyday going to work, the supermarkets and places like Walmart. We aren't seeing any cases related to travel. This is players going out, going to bars and now Casinos. Hence you need a deterrent, a big one and teams actually policing players. I'm sure a few random events might happen over months and months. You can deal with that. You can't deal with tons of players being stupid in every city they go to. You need the ability to suspend these guys and it needs to be big. The MLB dropped the ball. More time fighting about money than actually planning a system that could work. Players being stupid was always the issue, not traveling. Can you imagine how many guys are doing this? We only know about the ones you got Covid, not the ones that didn't. There are sites where you could do it. There aren't any sites where you can easily just lock players in a complex and easily monitor them like the NBA. John Oliver did a piece on this. Think of the numbers involved in a baseball lockdown. Full rosters+back up players+staffs + families etc etc. The numbers would be impossible. It isn’t just player travel... it is their families, the team staff, and on. I remember early in the AIDS crisis when they use to say you were having sex with everyone your partnered had had sex with ... now it is essentially you are breathing with everyone the people around you have breathed with. The biggest problem is probably the clubhouse. The Atlantic has a good article on the airborne nature of Covid, but essentially, it almost certainly lingers in closed spaces. So if a guy has it in a locker room, it is really hard to imagine it not spreading. I don’t know the answer. I am a huge Covid pessimist, and I don’t see most social practices being safe until there is a vaccine. But that is part of why I am sort of half attentive to this season.... I have a hard time seeing it work out. People that want to tell the players to suck it up...tell that to Eduardo Rodriguez. He now has a heart problem that might linger for the rest of his career because of the MLBs insistence of restarting this season. Stay the hell home people! Ventilators are not fun!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2020 18:37:55 GMT -5
John Oliver did a piece on this. Think of the numbers involved in a baseball lockdown. Full rosters+back up players+staffs + families etc etc. The numbers would be impossible. It isn’t just player travel... it is their families, the team staff, and on. I remember early in the AIDS crisis when they use to say you were having sex with everyone your partnered had had sex with ... now it is essentially you are breathing with everyone the people around you have breathed with. The biggest problem is probably the clubhouse. The Atlantic has a good article on the airborne nature of Covid, but essentially, it almost certainly lingers in closed spaces. So if a guy has it in a locker room, it is really hard to imagine it not spreading. I don’t know the answer. I am a huge Covid pessimist, and I don’t see most social practices being safe until there is a vaccine. But that is part of why I am sort of half attentive to this season.... I have a hard time seeing it work out. People that want to tell the players to suck it up...tell that to Eduardo Rodriguez. He now has a heart problem that might linger for the rest of his career because of the MLBs insistence of restarting this season. Stay the hell home people! Ventilators are not fun! He already had it, tested positive when camp stared, not after playing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 1, 2020 23:47:59 GMT -5
Jerry Hairston, Jr. @therealjhair
A few Marlins go to a club & now hearin a few Cardinals went to a Casino? That’s not following protocols. #MLB Players are furious cause 28 other teams have worked hard to follow guidelines. #smh. 10:49 PM · Aug 1, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2020 3:39:14 GMT -5
Put this way, it's funny:
Dan Connolly @danconnolly2016 · 18h You want 2020 summed up in a baseball trade? Orioles deal solid lefty reliever Richard Bleier to a Marlins team that isn’t playing for a player without a name near midnight on a trade deadline day that doesn’t exist. My thoughts on that & other Os stuff:
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Post by art on Aug 2, 2020 7:49:31 GMT -5
Make an example of the Marlins , who cares if they play this year. I’m sick of these guys others who are trying to do there best and these guys who could care less. Selfishly I want to see ball and the SOX need this very badly. It can be done. Everything was fine until these losers. For starters, I heard that the Marlins players with Covid are going back to Miami from Philadelphia on a bus. Reminded me of when Alabama lost at Rutgers and Bear Bryant said he was looking to rent a schoolbus to take his team back to Alabama.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2020 7:59:01 GMT -5
For me, as long as the players want to play, I am all for it. If the players decide to shut it down, I'd be all for that too.
They are adults, it should be their decision.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 2, 2020 9:53:18 GMT -5
Whoever it was who suggested that players on losing teams are going to start opting out midseason, I'm starting to think you might have a point. As TC just said on Twitter, that's a big reason why expanded playoffs are big - keep more teams in it longer.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2020 10:18:04 GMT -5
Whoever it was who suggested that players on losing teams are going to start opting out midseason, I'm starting to think you might have a point. As TC just said on Twitter, that's a big reason why expanded playoffs are big - keep more teams in it longer. That might be a factor to consider but I'd guess that would depend on how "tight" the team was. Let's go crazy here and assume the Red Sox have a disappointing season. Who would you think would opt out ?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 2, 2020 10:28:02 GMT -5
Whoever it was who suggested that players on losing teams are going to start opting out midseason, I'm starting to think you might have a point. As TC just said on Twitter, that's a big reason why expanded playoffs are big - keep more teams in it longer. That might be a factor to consider but I'd guess that would depend on how "tight" the team was. Let's go crazy here and assume the Red Sox have a disappointing season. Who would you think would opt out ? *raises hand for who made the suggestion* Anyone can opt out. I wouldn't say one guy is more likely than another. We've already had two opt outs that I know of, Lorenzo Cain (34) and Isan Diaz (24). If I were a gambling man, JD Martinez would be on my suspected list, especially if he's looking for a new contract. Xander is another one who doesn't have much to play for.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 2, 2020 10:41:50 GMT -5
That might be a factor to consider but I'd guess that would depend on how "tight" the team was. Let's go crazy here and assume the Red Sox have a disappointing season. Who would you think would opt out ? *raises hand for who made the suggestion* Anyone can opt out. I wouldn't say one guy is more likely than another. We've already had two opt outs that I know of, Lorenzo Cain (34) and Isan Diaz (24). If I were a gambling man, JD Martinez would be on my suspected list, especially if he's looking for a new contract. Xander is another one who doesn't have much to play for. If the Sox had no shot, would it really matter ?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 2, 2020 11:08:20 GMT -5
Players are still paying for their paycheck and continued progression in the league. I don't see young players or players in their prime opting out too much, but older players on terrible teams, yes, that could occur with more frequency.
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Post by manfred on Aug 2, 2020 11:46:58 GMT -5
Players are still paying for their paycheck and continued progression in the league. I don't see young players or players in their prime opting out too much, but older players on terrible teams, yes, that could occur with more frequency. The issue of the health of the game seems real. Baseball continues to lose its place culturally, and losing a season (especially if other sports carry on) can’t help. I am not suggesting that should be more important that people’s health, but I imagine it is a huge factor. I was really struck by this during the BLM protests: they started with the NFL, and the NBA has been at the heart of the issue. Baseball seemed irrelevant. And I mean regardless of how people feel... just being in the conversation. When Drew Brees spoke about kneeling, it was this huge thing. Has anyone in baseball been at all part of the conversation? I don’t know if anyone cares much about any of the players. My point is not about BLM, so I don’t mean to cause a distraction. It is more about market share of the national sports scene. Baseball can’t afford to lose more ground.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 2, 2020 11:51:33 GMT -5
*raises hand for who made the suggestion* Anyone can opt out. I wouldn't say one guy is more likely than another. We've already had two opt outs that I know of, Lorenzo Cain (34) and Isan Diaz (24). If I were a gambling man, JD Martinez would be on my suspected list, especially if he's looking for a new contract. Xander is another one who doesn't have much to play for. If the Sox had no shot, would it really matter ? I think it depends. Players in arbitration not only don't have much career earnings (I mean relatively), but are also playing to get a bump on their next contract. Not only that, but I'm not sure how service time and super two factors into this? I could also see a fringe guy like JBJ needs to produce to get a better deal in free agency.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 3, 2020 8:52:24 GMT -5
To be clear, I'm not saying a mass exodus of every player. But I'm sure that players who are coming up on free agency, or who are dinged up and trying to play through an injury, or perhaps players with high-risk family members might feel, at some point, that the balance has shifted against it being worth it. Or perhaps a player sees a teammate acting irresponsibly and after the rumors about the Marlins and Cardinals realizes that if he can't trust his teammates, he's out.
Again, not saying that as a team falls out of contention all of its players are going to bail, but one or two here or there is a real possibility.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 3, 2020 9:46:43 GMT -5
That I agree with 100%.
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Post by bucksmatthew on Aug 3, 2020 11:09:18 GMT -5
Make an example of the Marlins , who cares if they play this year. I’m sick of these guys others who are trying to do there best and these guys who could care less. Selfishly I want to see ball and the SOX need this very badly. It can be done. Everything was fine until these losers. For starters, I heard that the Marlins players with Covid are going back to Miami from Philadelphia on a bus. Reminded me of when Alabama lost at Rutgers and Bear Bryant said he was looking to rent a schoolbus to take his team back to Alabama. Liking this mostly because I went to Rutgers at the time and took a class w Eddie Steward, who had his picture in SI the week after the game - alas, Rutgers lost, but it was 17-13, which felt like a win if you were a Scarlet Knight....
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 3, 2020 11:09:43 GMT -5
Vaguely related:
Daniel Kim 대니얼 김 @danielkimw · 4h Electronic strike zone is coming to #KBO! #KBOLeague announced today that it is starting “Robot Umpire” trial run in the Futures League starting from tomorrow. Two minor league stadiums are now equipped w/ the system and 26 games are scheduled to be called electronically.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 3, 2020 12:51:36 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheyman · 13m At least a couple Cardinals did go to a Casino, as @therealjhair 1st suggested. MLB has since tightened its rule on leaving the team hotel from very strongly discouraged to not allowed. Cards Covid count going into today: 3 players, 4 staff
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Post by beavertontim on Aug 3, 2020 12:57:28 GMT -5
29 days until reset day
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 3, 2020 13:02:32 GMT -5
Jon Heyman @jonheyman · 13m At least a couple Cardinals did go to a Casino, as @therealjhair 1st suggested. MLB has since tightened its rule on leaving the team hotel from very strongly discouraged to not allowed. Cards Covid count going into today: 3 players, 4 staff I am a bit surprised the union hasn't taken charge of the response. The players wont listen to the teams. It is up the the union leadership to get their people in line. If I am player and a fellow member is acting irresponsibly, i would call on my leadership to get the house in order.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2020 14:57:34 GMT -5
Re: the Cardinals: Well, if we've learned one thing, it's that if one guy on a team catches the bug, a big chunk of the team is likely to get infected.
ADD: Ken Rosenthal says it's 7 players and 6 staff members.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 3, 2020 18:15:56 GMT -5
Re: the Cardinals: Well, if we've learned one thing, it's that if one guy on a team catches the bug, a big chunk of the team is likely to get infected. ADD: Ken Rosenthal says it's 7 players and 6 staff members. Man, it happens so quickly, literally overnight. It's beyond contagious. Just a lot of players who don't get the picture.
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