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Patriots 2020 season thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 9:57:06 GMT -5
Asiasi out for personal reasons. He’s arguably the best blocker they have at TE. Will be interesting to see if the are able to use Froholdt in jumbo packages. Also, how healthy are Thuney and Mason?
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Post by texs31 on Nov 1, 2020 12:15:11 GMT -5
Keane out as well. Izzo riding solo on the TE depth chart.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 12:48:53 GMT -5
Keane out as well. Izzo riding solo on the TE depth chart. So short at TE and on the OLine in a game you need to run... super |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 13:10:17 GMT -5
Whenever you can straight handoff on 3rd and 12 from midfield you gotta do it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 14:04:41 GMT -5
I don't get the keep running James White. You aren't fooling anyone, so use Harris or Burkhead.
Where are Taylor gone? He's a much better runner than White.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 14:10:47 GMT -5
You gotta admit, this would be a great year to collapse and have a top 6 pick... grab a QB then a receiver... I hate NFL teams losing as a rule of thumb. Winning culture is so important in football, but in the year of COVID and opt outs it’s very easy to explain away. No Hightower or Chung... very limited in person meetings - no off field team Building, even mite limited practice time - it cuts out the Patriots advantages... etc etc Trade Gilly, Get Jackson the reps at CB1. Play Jennings, Uche, Duggar, JoJuan and Cowart bigger snap counts. Offensively, Onwenu, Harris and Herron are already going to play a lot but I’d play the rookie TEs full time and move Izzo to 3rd option. Get a guy like Zuber more run as he seems athletic vs a guy like Meyers. Then you enter the off-season with a ton of cap room, high picks, key returning guys (especially Hightower), and a lot more experience from second year guys than normal. There’s a legit path that isn’t too unrealistic that makes them a SB team as early as next year. They have a lot of talent in place but the talent they are missing is really hurting them. Now they aren’t losing out - there’s next to no chance at that. If history is any indicator, they’ll come out and blow out the Bills today. That's just not Bill and does that even get you an elite QB? Lawrence and Fields look darn good, yet likely go top five. A lot of bad teams right now. Heck even playing Stidham likely doesn't get you a top six pick. Dotson was just crazy impressive against Ohio State, his one handed catch was one of the better ones I've seen ever. That's what we need, a deep threat with great hands and a big catch radius. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 14:14:07 GMT -5
You gotta admit, this would be a great year to collapse and have a top 6 pick... grab a QB then a receiver... I hate NFL teams losing as a rule of thumb. Winning culture is so important in football, but in the year of COVID and opt outs it’s very easy to explain away. No Hightower or Chung... very limited in person meetings - no off field team Building, even mite limited practice time - it cuts out the Patriots advantages... etc etc Trade Gilly, Get Jackson the reps at CB1. Play Jennings, Uche, Duggar, JoJuan and Cowart bigger snap counts. Offensively, Onwenu, Harris and Herron are already going to play a lot but I’d play the rookie TEs full time and move Izzo to 3rd option. Get a guy like Zuber more run as he seems athletic vs a guy like Meyers. Then you enter the off-season with a ton of cap room, high picks, key returning guys (especially Hightower), and a lot more experience from second year guys than normal. There’s a legit path that isn’t too unrealistic that makes them a SB team as early as next year. They have a lot of talent in place but the talent they are missing is really hurting them. Now they aren’t losing out - there’s next to no chance at that. If history is any indicator, they’ll come out and blow out the Bills today. That's just not Bill and does that even get you an elite QB? Lawrence and Fields look darn good, yet likely go top five. A lot of bad teams right now. Heck even playing Stidham likely doesn't get you a top six pick. Dotson was just crazy impressive against Ohio State, his one handed catch was one of the better ones I've seen ever. That's what we need, a deep threat with great hands and a big catch radius. Depends what people think of Trey Lance too. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 14:28:53 GMT -5
I don't know about Trey Lance, he's not on TV almost every week. Yet he's been rated high since last year so who knows. Bill won't overdraft a guy just to get a QB.
I'd be interested in Sam Darnold. I really liked him coming out of College and the Jets have so little talent he actually hasn't been that bad.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 14:36:02 GMT -5
I don't know about Trey Lance, he's not on TV almost every week. Yet he's been rated high since last year so who knows. Bill won't overdraft a guy just to get a QB. I'd be interested in Sam Darnold. I really liked him coming out of College and the Jets have so little talent he actually hasn't been that bad. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the criticism on Darnold coming out that he’s turnover prone? He’s been the same in the NFL... obviously, his situation is terrible so I’m not writing him off, just something to take note of. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 14:59:12 GMT -5
I don't know about Trey Lance, he's not on TV almost every week. Yet he's been rated high since last year so who knows. Bill won't overdraft a guy just to get a QB. I'd be interested in Sam Darnold. I really liked him coming out of College and the Jets have so little talent he actually hasn't been that bad. Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the criticism on Darnold coming out that he’s turnover prone? He’s been the same in the NFL... obviously, his situation is terrible so I’m not writing him off, just something to take note of. That's about it. He's still 23, had whatever the Jets coaching is helping him and his arm talent is very good. In our system, I'd take that chance given the likely low cost if you can't get an elite guy. I love arm talent though. I would have signed Winston also, so what do I know. I also want to see Stidham with a full week of practice play a few games before I say he's not good. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 15:00:50 GMT -5
BTW that's what three long catches Meyers has had taken away in two games? He looks darn good with Newton.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 15:53:41 GMT -5
Whoops
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 1, 2020 16:18:55 GMT -5
The Bills kinda suck but the end of that game showed this team is likely winning 3-4 more games minimum. But just for the fun of it, just in case they don’t...
This week...
1 win Falcons won
1 win Vikings won
1 win 1 tie Bengals won
Either the 2 win Broncos or 2 win Chargers will win today...
Either the 2 win Cowboys or the 2 win/1 tie Eagles will win today
3 win Raiders won
3 win Dolphins should win
Potential for a higher pick had a good day... so there’s your bright side
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Post by philarhody on Nov 1, 2020 16:32:05 GMT -5
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 1, 2020 17:51:16 GMT -5
Lol that is funny Philarhody looking back. You're over 30 Cam. You think you were going to get faster or something?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 1, 2020 17:54:29 GMT -5
It's too bad, that wasn't a bad performance. That's the team we we're seeing before Covid caused a two game whatever it was. Yet the road is now crazy hard and not worth adding unless it's a Gilmore for Evans type deal. Overall they should sell, give the young guys a chance. Still think Newton to Cowboys makes sense. Let Stidham get the starts. Find out what he is and at worst helps your draft position.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 2, 2020 9:24:55 GMT -5
Winovich had 5 snaps yesterday, Uche 13... i get you wanted to win that game, but now you are 2-5... those guys better be playing a high snap count... seen enough of Bentley as a starting player. I’ve seen enough of Phillips as a linebacker... not saying they shouldn’t see the field but enough is enough with the high snap counts... let the kids play and mess up and make plays.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 2, 2020 9:43:54 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30240301/is-end-new-england-patriots-dynasty-how-got-here-next-why-not-easy-fixDeep dive by Bill Barnwell on Patriots' talent erosion. I disagree with calling Joe Thuney merely "useful" and think it's fine to spend on guards if you are getting high-level play at OT at a discount but otherwise think he wraps things up pretty well. Also interesting discussion on BB's (football) mortality. This is not a bad year to need a QB. Beyond Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields, Zach Wilson of BYU has been stellar, and Trey Lance and Kyle Trask are potentially viable. Brock Purdy, Tanner Morgan and others have shown potential, but not who I'd want to be banking on. (semi-related note, I am SHOCKED Justin Herbert has been so good. He is one of those big arm QBs that seems to fail 9 times out of 10 and I expected him to bust in 2 years). WR should be nearly as deep as last draft as well. I'd love for Harris to show some 3-down versatility, because he can be a solid lead back. I'd frankly rather bottom out at this point. But the Defense suddenly has a LONG way to go, and I'm not sure it can be plugged in free agency. Young guys need to step up and lower draft picks need to hit if they use the top of the draft on offense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 2, 2020 11:07:30 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30240301/is-end-new-england-patriots-dynasty-how-got-here-next-why-not-easy-fixDeep dive by Bill Barnwell on Patriots' talent erosion. I disagree with calling Joe Thuney merely "useful" and think it's fine to spend on guards if you are getting high-level play at OT at a discount but otherwise think he wraps things up pretty well. Also interesting discussion on BB's (football) mortality. This is not a bad year to need a QB. Beyond Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields, Zach Wilson of BYU has been stellar, and Trey Lance and Kyle Trask are potentially viable. Brock Purdy, Tanner Morgan and others have shown potential, but not who I'd want to be banking on. (semi-related note, I am SHOCKED Justin Herbert has been so good. He is one of those big arm QBs that seems to fail 9 times out of 10 and I expected him to bust in 2 years). WR should be nearly as deep as last draft as well. I'd love for Harris to show some 3-down versatility, because he can be a solid lead back. I'd frankly rather bottom out at this point. But the Defense suddenly has a LONG way to go, and I'm not sure it can be plugged in free agency. Young guys need to step up and lower draft picks need to hit if they use the top of the draft on offense. What does Harris need to do to prove he’s a 3 down back? By 3 down, I assume you just mean a threat in the passing game, not necessarily the guy you alway go to on 3rd down. I feel he’s already proven that - he’s got great hands. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 2, 2020 14:03:31 GMT -5
I think Bill may disagree on guards versus tackles. They’ve done a good job with above average but not great tackles. Guards are cheaper and do more in terms of the run and screen game. Tackles supposedly neutralize the top pass rushers but Bill schemes them out of the game if necessary by using backs and tight ends to help or chip block. You can’t really do that on the interior.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 2, 2020 14:45:05 GMT -5
Belichek just said that Beau Allen won't play this year.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 2, 2020 15:39:07 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30240301/is-end-new-england-patriots-dynasty-how-got-here-next-why-not-easy-fixDeep dive by Bill Barnwell on Patriots' talent erosion. I disagree with calling Joe Thuney merely "useful" and think it's fine to spend on guards if you are getting high-level play at OT at a discount but otherwise think he wraps things up pretty well. Also interesting discussion on BB's (football) mortality. This is not a bad year to need a QB. Beyond Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields, Zach Wilson of BYU has been stellar, and Trey Lance and Kyle Trask are potentially viable. Brock Purdy, Tanner Morgan and others have shown potential, but not who I'd want to be banking on. (semi-related note, I am SHOCKED Justin Herbert has been so good. He is one of those big arm QBs that seems to fail 9 times out of 10 and I expected him to bust in 2 years). WR should be nearly as deep as last draft as well. I'd love for Harris to show some 3-down versatility, because he can be a solid lead back. I'd frankly rather bottom out at this point. But the Defense suddenly has a LONG way to go, and I'm not sure it can be plugged in free agency. Young guys need to step up and lower draft picks need to hit if they use the top of the draft on offense. What does Harris need to do to prove he’s a 3 down back? By 3 down, I assume you just mean a threat in the passing game, not necessarily the guy you alway go to on 3rd down. I feel he’s already proven that - he’s got great hands. Sure, I'll rephrase to a passing game threat. He has 2 targets on the year in 51 touches. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 2, 2020 17:04:12 GMT -5
One thing the Patriots need to do is kinda throw out a lot of the Brady stuff. His skill set was unique and you likely can't duplicate that. So guys like James White while still useful, don't carry nearly the same value without Brady. Especially when your a team like this one, you need guys more like Burkhead and Taylor because White is a horrible runner. They certainly need to do more to not be so predictable and focus more on talent than just smarts. You need playmakers more than just smart guys who run great routes. You need to use all your RBs and WRs in all your offensive sets. Not just Burkhead for run option plays, White for passing and screens, with Harris for standard runs. You can do that crap with Brady, not with Newton. I can guess 80% of the plays based on who's out there.
Disappointed that Bill is sticking with Cam, yet not surprised. Normal off-season, no Covid opt outs or missed practices and this was likely a good solid playoff team. I'd rather switch it up and focus on the future now. Yet Bill won't, he'll enjoy playing spoiler on teams down the stretch. Which is fine if it's Stidham doing it. The Dolphins went with Tua not because they thought he was the best player currently, yet because they want to know if he's the guy with that high Texans pick coming up.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 2, 2020 18:05:34 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 6:40:19 GMT -5
Bill Belichick went on WEEI's Ordway, Merloni & Fauria on Monday and was asked pointedly by Christian Fauria about his comments to Charlie Weis on Sirius NFL Radio from last week. Fauria: What it sounds like is a lot of excuses, like Covid excuses, things you've never said before ... Belichick: I didn't say it was an excuse, I never said that. Fauria: I didn't say you did... Belichick: Well then don't ... right ... I mean, we paid Cam Newton a million dollars. I mean it’s obvious we didn’t have any money. It’s nobody’s fault. That’s what we did the last five years: we sold out and won three Super Bowls, played in a fourth and played in an AFC championship game. This year we had less to work with. It’s not an excuse, it’s just a fact.” Fauria: Was this an inevitable situation you were just going to have to deal with? Belichick: The structure of the league is the structure of the league. That isn’t going to change. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2020/11/02/bedard-bill-belichick-admits-patriots-knew-celebrated-done/ |
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