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Post by costpet on Nov 3, 2020 7:55:15 GMT -5
Watching Brady last night with a 4th quarter comeback and a kneel down felt so good. Like deja vu. Nice TD throw to Gronkowski, too. Brown not there yet. Dion Lewis scored for the Giants. Why can’t we get players like that?
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 8:34:39 GMT -5
I’ve been accused of being hyper-negative about this years team. The reality is, they aren’t good right now for a variety of reasons and I’ve said from the start it’s a reset year - which Bill has basically acknowledged. However, the hyper negatively about the franchise as a whole after 6 SB wins in 20 years and coming off a stretch of 3 in 6 with 4 Total appearances is some kind of insanity I just can’t comprehend. What the hell did you think was going to happen? There be a seamless transition after years of going to Super Bowls... my lord.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Nov 3, 2020 12:37:50 GMT -5
Was it a fact that Belichek made Tom Brady a better QB or that Tom Brady made Belichek the coach he became.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 12:55:55 GMT -5
Was it a fact that Belichek made Tom Brady a better QB or that Tom Brady made Belichek the coach he became. These are the realities: You can’t put percentages on who added what to the others success. Bill doesn’t win 6 SBs without Brady and Brady doesn’t win 6 without Bill. Brady’s brain is his biggest asset and if you don’t think Bill helped develop his football IQ to a great degree and build the environment in NE to help that succeed then you’re kidding yourself. On the flip side, I’d you don’t think Brady allowed Bill to develop that environment then you are also kidding yourself. The only right side of the argument is neither has the success they have without the other. They go together - hand in hand. Should be the story. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 14:49:41 GMT -5
These are the realities: You can’t put percentages on who added what to the others success. Bill doesn’t win 6 SBs without Brady and Brady doesn’t win 6 without Bill. Brady’s brain is his biggest asset and if you don’t think Bill helped develop his football IQ to a great degree and build the environment in NE to help that succeed then you’re kidding yourself. On the flip side, I’d you don’t think Brady allowed Bill to develop that environment then you are also kidding yourself. The only right side of the argument is neither has the success they have without the other. They go together - hand in hand. Should be the story. If you're just looking back at history and enjoying what may be the greatest dynasty in the history of sports then sure. If you're trying to develop an opinion about what the team should do this year and in the future don’t you have to take an objective look at everything including what Bill can and can't do post Brady? A big part of the Patriot Way is getting rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year too late. Does that not apply to the coach too? That’s a separate discussion from the Bill vs. Brady discussion but the answer is no, you keep the coach when that coach is Belichick until it’s proven he can’t do it and this year doesn’t prove anything. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2020 14:53:17 GMT -5
These are the realities: You can’t put percentages on who added what to the others success. Bill doesn’t win 6 SBs without Brady and Brady doesn’t win 6 without Bill. Brady’s brain is his biggest asset and if you don’t think Bill helped develop his football IQ to a great degree and build the environment in NE to help that succeed then you’re kidding yourself. On the flip side, I’d you don’t think Brady allowed Bill to develop that environment then you are also kidding yourself. The only right side of the argument is neither has the success they have without the other. They go together - hand in hand. Should be the story. If you're just looking back at history and enjoying what may be the greatest dynasty in the history of sports then sure. If you're trying to develop an opinion about what the team should do this year and in the future don’t you have to take an objective look at everything including what Bill can and can't do post Brady? A big part of the Patriot Way is getting rid of a guy a year too early rather than a year too late. Does that not apply to the coach too? Nope. I want Josh McDaniels learning/watching as Bill rebuilds the team before he takes over. Have Bill find our next QB. You got rid of the players a year earlier to get extra value and help sooner than waiting for a comp pick. What does getting rid of Bill get you? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 14:59:30 GMT -5
Patriots traded for Isaiah Ford... cool
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2020 15:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2020 16:04:47 GMT -5
Nope. I want Josh McDaniels learning/watching as Bill rebuilds the team before he takes over. Have Bill find our next QB. You got rid of the players a year earlier to get extra value and help sooner than waiting for a comp pick. What does getting rid of Bill get you? How many more years does McDaniels need? It's been a decade since his Denver HC tenure and he's spent most of that decade as the Patriots OC. Per reports part of the reason he turned down or backed out of the Colts job in 2018 was because Bill was going to open up about team building to him. Basically start training him to take over and he's only had two years of that now. So the more the better in my opinion. Let him see how Bill finds a QB and let Bill rebuild the team and then hand it off to him. I truly believe Bill wants one more Championship without Brady before he retires. Why not let him try? BTW this is exactly the route Bill took as a coach. DC to coach, back to DC learning under Parcels to best coach ever. Bill was 48 when he took over Patriots, McDaniels is currently 44. The path is creepy how similar it is. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 18:42:48 GMT -5
Per reports part of the reason he turned down or backed out of the Colts job in 2018 was because Bill was going to open up about team building to him. Basically start training him to take over and he's only had two years of that now. So the more the better in my opinion. Let him see how Bill finds a QB and let Bill rebuild the team and then hand it off to him. I truly believe Bill wants one more Championship without Brady before he retires. Why not let him try? BTW this is exactly the route Bill took as a coach. DC to coach, back to DC learning under Parcels to best coach ever. Bill was 48 when he took over Patriots, McDaniels is currently 44. The path is creepy how similar it is. That's a good point and it is kind of funny how similar the career paths are, but if I were McDaniels I'd want to build my own team rather than taking over the team Bill built. May not be the greatest decision for the team overall, but if I were McDaniels I'd be applying some pressure for a 1-2 year transition plan. The other part of McDaniels backing out was his family. He’s got school aged kids and they were comfortable in New England. People often overlook how hard it is for a coaches family to move around so much so if you can make head coach money being the OC in New England and not disrupt your family it’s a pretty good gig. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2020 18:43:56 GMT -5
Asiasi to IR... these rookie tight ends losing all this time is not good.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2020 20:50:51 GMT -5
Asiasi missed last game because his friend was shot to death. Not sure why he needs so much time.
Besides trading for Ford which cost a 2022 seven round pick, we claimed Isaiah Mack DT.
Two nice low cost moves, yet much more depth type moves. Though both sound decent for the cost.
Asking price for Gilmore was 1st and a player, so they didn't really want to move him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2020 13:43:42 GMT -5
Gilmore and Guy not at practice today... Gilmore isn’t as big a deal but Guy is only real starter they have in the entire front 7.... Simon and Wise are at best low end starters on a good team but really are role players.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 8, 2020 18:22:26 GMT -5
Gilmore, Guy and Bentley all ruled out - I assume Harry too since he didn’t practice all week.
Dalton Keane didn’t travel so Izzo may be only TE again.
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Post by Coreno on Nov 8, 2020 23:55:36 GMT -5
Brady just took the worst Loss of his career so I guess we have to relitigate the Brady vs Belichick debate. Sorry, I don't make the rules.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 9, 2020 6:20:15 GMT -5
Brady just took the worst Loss of his career so I guess we have to relitigate the Brady vs Belichick debate. Sorry, I don't make the rules. Hot Take: they both sucked the whole time. Romeo Crenel and Brian Flores were the championship geniuses. |
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Post by mobaz on Nov 9, 2020 13:32:08 GMT -5
I've moved on to College QB Watch, honestly. Assuming a Pats win tonight, the road is hard.
Who else is looking for a QB? (% chance aiming for QB)
Jets (0-9) 95%
Jags (1-7) 100%
Cowboys (2-7) 40%?
Giants (2-7) 70%?
Chargers (2-6) 0%
WFT (2-6) 90%
Houston (2-6) 0%
Cin (2-5-1) 0%
ATL (3-6) 40%
Car (3-6) 50%
Not far behind are Broncos, Vikings, Lions, and 49ers, who might all be in the market for a QB.
That's a lot of players, for what I consider 3-4 Top of Draft viable QBs.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2020 14:03:18 GMT -5
I've moved on to College QB Watch, honestly. Assuming a Pats win tonight, the road is hard. Who else is looking for a QB? (% chance aiming for QB) Jets (0-9) 95% Jags (1-7) 100% Cowboys (2-7) 40%? Giants (2-7) 70%? Chargers (2-6) 0% WFT (2-6) 90% Houston (2-6) 0% Cin (2-5-1) 0% ATL (3-6) 40% Car (3-6) 50% Not far behind are Broncos, Vikings, Lions, and 49ers, who might all be in the market for a QB. That's a lot of players, for what I consider 3-4 Top of Draft viable QBs. Dallas won’t be looking for a QB and you might be low on Carolina and high on the Giants... despite that, the teams looking for QBs don’t always take them there. Right now there are 6 pretty interesting QBs. The obvious top 2, but you have 4 more. Zach Wilson and Mack Jones both intrigue men. Assuming Trey Lance, Fields and Lawrence are no gos. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2020 14:27:29 GMT -5
I want the Freshman from Clemson. Anyone else worry about how skinny Lawrence is? At Clemson he hardly gets hit, that won't happen in the pros. It was shocking seeing him without pads against Notre Dame, I've seen many punters/Kickers that were bigger.
The big issue is trying to judge these guys that having crazy different talent levels around them. Lawrence and Fields look great, yet also have a crazy talent advantage almost every game.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 9, 2020 14:54:58 GMT -5
Zach Wilson is making amazing throws on the move, accurate and where only his receivers can get them. That translate to NFL no matter the skills of his opponents right now. Can't get enough of his highlights.
Kyle Trask is starting to look really good, and maybe 1st round worthy. Also has one of the longest seasons of film, which should help. He certainly is benefiting from talent too.
Does it sound like Mac Jones will come out? I always thought he'd stay another year. Maybe he'll have enough tape, and has a 5 star recruit nipping at his heals (Bryce Young, a Russell Wilson type without people complaining about his height). I didn't count Jones in my 3 to 4, but he's solid.
Lance scares me, with a lost year.
Anyone after those guys (plus Lawrence and Fields) don't seem like a Plan A for QB. Which means we'd be sifting through Kurt Cousins or Cam Season 2, Darnold/Haskins rehab, etc. Jamie Newman, Sam Ehlinger, Brock Purdy types don't do it for me. It's like Drew Lock, you don't want to pick whoever is left just because you need a QB (though that was a draft with only 1 clear starter).
I'd probably take Fields #1 but don't really worry about T-Law. I remember Fields having 1 bad game (sadly in the playoffs) while he had a bad knee. Sure, 2 NFL WRs doesn't hurt but he's so accurate.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 9, 2020 15:14:28 GMT -5
For me the bowl game is going to be massive for Zach Wilson. He's putting up massive stats, yet he's playing against a lot of so-so teams. With Boise being the only ranked team so far and we don't even now how good they are yet. Having only played three games. BYU should get a major bowl against a very good team and that will likely be his most important tape.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2020 21:30:02 GMT -5
When did Nick Folk become automatic?
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Post by mobaz on Nov 9, 2020 21:37:15 GMT -5
Assuming a Pats win tonight Uh nevermind that part. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 9, 2020 21:43:07 GMT -5
Assuming a Pats win tonight Uh nevermind that part. They’ll still win this. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 9, 2020 23:11:44 GMT -5
Not sure how I feel
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