mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Nov 22, 2020 16:04:58 GMT -5
Zach Wilson watch BACK ON
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2020 16:05:37 GMT -5
Damn this team, the back and forth crap is killing me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2020 16:25:11 GMT -5
They just aren’t very good; it’s as simple as that. They have a great line and great coaches so they’ll be able to look good at times and win some games but they don’t have nearly enough firepower or talent on the front 7 to consistently disrupt teams week after week. They’ll tease us again this year but now at least we know they won’t make the playoffs.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 22, 2020 16:42:16 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 22, 2020 18:48:28 GMT -5
Thinking it's about time for Stidham.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2020 18:54:53 GMT -5
Thinking it's about time for Stidham. I think Bill knows Stidham isn’t the guy so he wants to give Cam the full year to see if by the end of it he can get away with him as a bridge with a full camp. |
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Post by trajanacc on Nov 22, 2020 22:50:50 GMT -5
I think Bill knows Stidham isn’t the guy so he wants to give Cam the full year to see if by the end of it he can get away with him as a bridge with a full camp. You're probably right, but I'd really hate if they don't play Stidham. I've lived in Panthers country for a while and this is pretty much what every season with Cam is like. Cam isn't the answer for even one more year. He probably plays just well enough to push the Pats out of a position to draft a high-end QB, prolonging the rebuild. Stidham may not be the long term answer either, but a 6 game audition could determine if he's a bridge to the next guy or maybe surprises everyone and kills it the rest of the way. Worst case is he loses 1-2 more games than Cam would have and you at least gain some draft capital. What draft position do you need to be in to draft a high-end QB? |
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Post by congusgambler33 on Nov 23, 2020 1:19:05 GMT -5
Here is my take on Cam Newton...Can't determine the throwing lanes, very slow on reading defenses and constantly throw the ball into the ground. he has a low release point leading to a lot of blocked passes. he is not the answer at all.If we have the no 12 draft pick, i would think the Bill would draft down to get more picks to try and strengthen the defense. they had a good schooling from a darn good quarterback in Watson. too bad we couldn't swing him to New England somehow.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 1:51:07 GMT -5
Thinking it's about time for Stidham. I think Bill knows Stidham isn’t the guy so he wants to give Cam the full year to see if by the end of it he can get away with him as a bridge with a full camp. You base this off what exactly? We have seen enough. Bill can get him to play well, yet it's still Newton. Always more talent than foootball smarts. I've seen enough. Not that he's horrible, you can win games with him. Yet he'll always make mistakes and lack that true feel of the offense. Give the young guy a chance, it's always ugly at first. Yet Stidham has major arm talent and we've only heard good things. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 1:55:10 GMT -5
Bill isn't like normal GMs, who if they need a QB, take a QB. Bill has the smallest draft board every year. So who knows what he does, yet you can't just assume he'll take a QB because he's rated around where we pick. The question is does he fit? That's not easy to answer with Bill either.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 6:48:02 GMT -5
I think Bill knows Stidham isn’t the guy so he wants to give Cam the full year to see if by the end of it he can get away with him as a bridge with a full camp. You base this off what exactly? We have seen enough. Bill can get him to play well, yet it's still Newton. Always more talent than foootball smarts. I've seen enough. Not that he's horrible, you can win games with him. Yet he'll always make mistakes and lack that true feel of the offense. Give the young guy a chance, it's always ugly at first. Yet Stidham has major arm talent and we've only heard good things. Reports on how bad Stidham was in camp The fact Bill turned to Hoyer first The fact Bill has been so all- in on Cam I 100% could be wrong but it’s how I feel about the situation. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 9:20:59 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn... I’m getting to the point that I don’t trust him and feel like they need to look for a long term left tackle. I hate to say it because when he’s healthy he’s stellar, when he’s banged up and playing though he’s not great and most importantly, he’s seemingly always injured or banged up. It’s unfortunate, offensive linemen are pretty much always going to be banged up. This is his 3rd year already. My guess is they pick up his 5th year option after this one, but this is another example of why I really feel they need to keep Thuney.
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Post by mobaz on Nov 23, 2020 9:48:44 GMT -5
(unrelated, but wanted to be clear where I was at right now)
I still have faith in Wynn, but what a rough start to his career. I feel like there's potential within the current line for an LT with Owenu or Thuney, but if you're playing Thuney there you'll have to pay him like an LT, and though Owenu has the size who knows if he could bounce over successfully.
However, BB obviously feels LG is similarly important as LT given the resources he's historically put at the position. The value of Owenu as a plug and play on either side is awesome, but he might more likely be a Thuney LG replacement and that could leave question marks at both tackle spots.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 9:59:29 GMT -5
(unrelated, but wanted to be clear where I was at right now) I still have faith in Wynn, but what a rough start to his career. I feel like there's potential within the current line for an LT with Owenu or Thuney, but if you're playing Thuney there you'll have to pay him like an LT, and though Owenu has the size who knows if he could bounce over successfully. However, BB obviously feels LG is similarly important as LT given the resources he's historically put at the position. The value of Owenu as a plug and play on either side is awesome, but he might more likely be a Thuney LG replacement and that could leave question marks at both tackle spots. My comments on Thuney has to do with his ability to play there effectively if necessary. I don’t want him to be the left tackle, but Wynn has made it so they are without their expected starter at left tackle quite a bit. I’m not giving up on him but man it’s kind of silly to rely on him there. They at least need to draft a guy who can play there well as a back up.. maybe Herron is that guy? But if you don’t keep Thuney and Cannon then Onwenu is your left guard and Herron is your RT. |
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Post by costpet on Nov 23, 2020 11:16:38 GMT -5
Did anyone notice we had almost NO pass rush yesterday? No pressure on Watson, who had enough time to do anything he wanted. If you don't pressure a good QB, forget it. He'll kill you.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 11:26:02 GMT -5
The hard part about Watson is you can’t blitz him and if you break contain then you’re screwed. Hot take: he may be the best QB in football. Pocket passer - who picks apart the blitz and can run and throw on the move. Just has had shit teams and coaching
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 12:50:45 GMT -5
You base this off what exactly? We have seen enough. Bill can get him to play well, yet it's still Newton. Always more talent than foootball smarts. I've seen enough. Not that he's horrible, you can win games with him. Yet he'll always make mistakes and lack that true feel of the offense. Give the young guy a chance, it's always ugly at first. Yet Stidham has major arm talent and we've only heard good things. Reports on how bad Stidham was in camp The fact Bill turned to Hoyer first The fact Bill has been so all- in on Cam I 100% could be wrong but it’s how I feel about the situation. That's just not true. Reports out of camp that Stidham had the best arm talent, we've seen that. He then had some picks for a few days and a leg injury basically ended everything like a week in. Since then we've got great reports on how he's doing from McDaniels. You'd start a guy who didn't have a single practice of starter reps? Remember Cam tested positive, they didn't practice again, just did a walk through. Have you noticed since that Chiefs game that Stidham moved to #2? Last game he was the back up, Hoyer was inactive. Training camp was basically like the summer workouts, crazy short. No joint practices, no preseason games. Stidham needed that. I'd start ramping up his work with the first team and get him ready. I look at Newton as a blessing, because without him Stidham would have been thrown to the Wolves. His one game you couldn't help notice the arm talent right? He just needs reps and game action. We have to give him a chance. He has a much better chance of developing into a Patriots type QB than Newton does. Oh yeah and worst case he sucks, you then know this and help your draft position. I feel it's 100% going to happen. Yet Bill likely waits till we are 100% eliminated, which is a mistake in my book. The guy you need to get ready for next year is Stidham, not Newton. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 23, 2020 12:57:53 GMT -5
Bill isn't like normal GMs, who if they need a QB, take a QB. Bill has the smallest draft board every year. So who knows what he does, yet you can't just assume he'll take a QB because he's rated around where we pick. The question is does he fit? That's not easy to answer with Bill either. Very true and all the more reason to get Stidham in the last 6 games like you mentioned earlier. As long as Bill doesn't take a safety with a 3rd round grade I can probably talk myself into getting on board with whatever decision is made. Given a bunch of recent mocks, going WR might be the way to go. You take the 3-4th QB or the #1 WR? Yet yeah there are a bunch of options, we could us an impact DE or DT also. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 23, 2020 16:40:33 GMT -5
Reports on how bad Stidham was in camp The fact Bill turned to Hoyer first The fact Bill has been so all- in on Cam I 100% could be wrong but it’s how I feel about the situation. That's just not true. Reports out of camp that Stidham had the best arm talent, we've seen that. He then had some picks for a few days and a leg injury basically ended everything like a week in. Since then we've got great reports on how he's doing from McDaniels. You'd start a guy who didn't have a single practice of starter reps? Remember Cam tested positive, they didn't practice again, just did a walk through. Have you noticed since that Chiefs game that Stidham moved to #2? Last game he was the back up, Hoyer was inactive. Training camp was basically like the summer workouts, crazy short. No joint practices, no preseason games. Stidham needed that. I'd start ramping up his work with the first team and get him ready. I look at Newton as a blessing, because without him Stidham would have been thrown to the Wolves. His one game you couldn't help notice the arm talent right? He just needs reps and game action. We have to give him a chance. He has a much better chance of developing into a Patriots type QB than Newton does. Oh yeah and worst case he sucks, you then know this and help your draft position. I feel it's 100% going to happen. Yet Bill likely waits till we are 100% eliminated, which is a mistake in my book. The guy you need to get ready for next year is Stidham, not Newton. Like I said - i could be wrong but it’s the feeling I get. Also, we read different camp reports apparently. Regarding Hoyer, if he can’t be trusted to be a veteran not making dumb errors that you and I know not to make before they even happen like “whatever you do don’t take a sack” then he’s useless... the only reason he’s still here is because they want 3 QBs because of COVID. I don’t disagree on starting him though, at this point let’s lose out. |
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Post by texs31 on Nov 23, 2020 17:00:54 GMT -5
Rivers (LAR) and Froholdt (HOU) were claimed on waivers so any chance of sneaking either of them to the PS is gone.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 24, 2020 13:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 24, 2020 17:05:21 GMT -5
He’s a weird one - turnover prone in college - same in pros but never had a chance in the NFL... little chance he’s traded here tho... plus, can you trust a red headed QB? |
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 24, 2020 20:46:28 GMT -5
Hightower and Cannon plan on retiring after the season is over. Hightower is getting a coaching role I presume with the Patriots next season.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 24, 2020 20:50:33 GMT -5
Hightower and Cannon plan on retiring after the season is over. Hightower is getting a coaching role I presume with the Patriots next season. Yea says who? |
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Nov 24, 2020 21:10:10 GMT -5
Hightower and Cannon plan on retiring after the season is over. Hightower is getting a coaching role I presume with the Patriots next season. Yea says who? |
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