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Post by ianrs on Jun 1, 2021 3:47:29 GMT -5
I have to admit, I don't think the Nets are going to be able to hang with the Bucks and I really hope they get annihilated next round. I can't remember a less likeable team than the Nets, except maybe the Durant Warriors.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 1, 2021 11:34:58 GMT -5
Listening to Durant talk about respect after what Irving did leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Respect is a two way street.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 1, 2021 12:10:08 GMT -5
I have to admit, I don't think the Nets are going to be able to hang with the Bucks and I really hope they get annihilated next round. I can't remember a less likeable team than the Nets, except maybe the Durant Warriors. Durant is basically a child himself. He has burner Twitter accounts so he can say nice things about himself and argue with people who say negative things. I really didn’t have an issue with the statement i read from him but I didn’t hear it and know he’s a jack wagon himself. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 1, 2021 18:57:28 GMT -5
Romeo looking like a confident player.
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Post by cdj on Jun 1, 2021 20:04:28 GMT -5
Liking Langford a lot tonight
Team is going out trying. I at least appreciate that, if they gave this effort all year they probably aren’t a 7 seed lol
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2021 21:09:52 GMT -5
Well, that's that - they've been put out of our misery. What a weird season, thankfully over.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 1, 2021 22:25:10 GMT -5
Just listening to some of the after game interviews - Brad doesn't get it. Danny doesn't get it. Marcus doesn't get it. This team, as it stands, can't really go very far....got to be a big change type of offseason, that's for sure.
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Post by cdj on Jun 1, 2021 23:00:10 GMT -5
Just listening to some of the after game interviews - Brad doesn't get it. Danny doesn't get it. Marcus doesn't get it. This team, as it stands, can't really go very far....got to be a big change type of offseason, that's for sure. Danny is pretty much on record saying he knows he needs to make a lot of changes to build a contender, I wouldn’t worry about complacency this offseason. I expect a decent amount of roster turnover, even if they swap useless pieces out with other useless pieces I don’t think they touch JB/JT/Brad and nobody else is a lock to come back imo I do like Fournier’s fit when he’s going well and not dealing with long covid layoffs. I thought Langford was their 2nd best player tonight |
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Post by rminns10 on Jun 2, 2021 6:24:30 GMT -5
The style of play on offense needs an overhaul. The ball doesnt move enough, and the players off the ball dont move enough once the first action happens.
Team assists last night:
Boston 18
BKlyn 26
Port 25
Den 33
Phx 29
LA 14(they didnt bother to show up)
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 2, 2021 7:37:41 GMT -5
Just listening to some of the after game interviews - Brad doesn't get it. Danny doesn't get it. Marcus doesn't get it. This team, as it stands, can't really go very far....got to be a big change type of offseason, that's for sure. It's not going to easy for Danny to do a lot, just not much there as trade bait. The only guys that have any value at all are Romeo, Nesmith and Pritchard and their value doesn't match their upside. Smart with one year left isn't much so what do they have?? They can't be active in FA as they will already be way over if Fournier signs and they have to sign him as he is the only one they can get with Bird rights and going over. To make something big happen they might have to deal Brown, how else do you get Kemba off the books? Maybe they can package something up with the TE $ they have left and get lucky with a big. Hate to say it but they might just have to be patient with the growth of the young guys next year and wait for the Nets big 3 to age. The Kemba and R Williams health issues create a bleak picture. |
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Post by ianrs on Jun 2, 2021 8:08:45 GMT -5
I don't really think you can be too complacent in the offseason, but lets see what happens. Honestly you need to maximize the next couple years to convince Tatum and Brown to stick around, but particularly Tatum.
Can keep the picks for now to see if you can put together a godfather offer for somebody forcing their way out. I think its the right play to keep Romeo/Nesmith and see what you have, I think they could be legitimate cheap rotation wings and maybe more over the next couple years. The hard thing is that there is so much *uncertainty* around the Celtics - Romeo and Nesmith have shown legitimate above average to fringe all-star upside flashes, while at the same time looking at times like they do not belong on an NBA court. Pritchard and Grant are the same way (except its flashes of NBA rotation competence/non-competence), then you have the Timelord/Kemba uncertainty around injuries. Its as unique a case as I've seen in terms of team building, and very curious to see what happens this offseason.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 2, 2021 14:13:59 GMT -5
Just to offer my final thoughts on the season: I did not have a lot of fun. I don't think any of us did. However, the future is still bright. We got two immensely talented young wings, some good pieces already in place around them and a lot to look forward to. Shit didn't work this season, but I still love this core and I can see them winning it all.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 2, 2021 21:43:40 GMT -5
Just to offer my final thoughts on the season: I did not have a lot of fun. I don't think any of us did. However, the future is still bright. We got two immensely talented young wings, some good pieces already in place around them and a lot to look forward to. Shit didn't work this season, but I still love this core and I can see them winning it all. I agree - how can it not be bright with Jason and Jaylen. But will it be bright enough to get a championship (we are pretty spoiled, historically). I can handle losses - but not losses when Smart chucks mindless threes, or assists rarely happen, or a missed shot leads to lazy D and an easy basket going the other way. Something was off on the team as far as consistent effort - and those missing quarters! Just one of those weird, bizarre seasons. |
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 4, 2021 0:20:50 GMT -5
Poor lebron is going home, he needs a few more superstars to team up with.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 4, 2021 0:41:15 GMT -5
Poor lebron is going home, he needs a few more superstars to team up with. His body language was atrocious from the start. He gave it a spirited effort to be fair, but he was largely invisible in the first half while Phoenix was building their huge lead. |
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 4, 2021 4:13:07 GMT -5
Just to offer my final thoughts on the season: I did not have a lot of fun. I don't think any of us did. However, the future is still bright. We got two immensely talented young wings, some good pieces already in place around them and a lot to look forward to. Shit didn't work this season, but I still love this core and I can see them winning it all. To offer my sentiments on season: a gm was shown to have his flaws. Both in evaluating professional talent and in wasting a ton of first round draft picks. A coach seemed to have lost his players and in turn the Celtics have a long way to go before they are an elite team again. The beat young talent can’t seem to stay healthy ( time lord) and your all stars play way to much iso ball. Beyond that you have potential maybes which every team in the nba has 1-3 of those. Let’s hope the new gm can evaluate talent better than last one could.... and new coach has players ears more than last one had |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 4, 2021 6:42:26 GMT -5
3 out of the 4 Conference Finals teams from the bubble are done in Rnd 1. Celtics aren't alone in looking burnt out.
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Post by dangermike on Jun 4, 2021 6:55:04 GMT -5
Just to offer my final thoughts on the season: I did not have a lot of fun. I don't think any of us did. However, the future is still bright. We got two immensely talented young wings, some good pieces already in place around them and a lot to look forward to. Shit didn't work this season, but I still love this core and I can see them winning it all. To offer my sentiments on season: a gm was shown to have his flaws. Both in evaluating professional talent and in wasting a ton of first round draft picks. A coach seemed to have lost his players and in turn the Celtics have a long way to go before they are an elite team again. The beat young talent can’t seem to stay healthy ( time lord) and your all stars play way to much iso ball. Beyond that you have potential maybes which every team in the nba has 1-3 of those. Let’s hope the new gm can evaluate talent better than last one could.... and new coach has players ears more than last one had id settle for the new gm evaluating talent at the same level as the previous one. not many people in the league were better at that. |
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 4, 2021 8:04:23 GMT -5
To offer my sentiments on season: a gm was shown to have his flaws. Both in evaluating professional talent and in wasting a ton of first round draft picks. A coach seemed to have lost his players and in turn the Celtics have a long way to go before they are an elite team again. The beat young talent can’t seem to stay healthy ( time lord) and your all stars play way to much iso ball. Beyond that you have potential maybes which every team in the nba has 1-3 of those. Let’s hope the new gm can evaluate talent better than last one could.... and new coach has players ears more than last one had id settle for the new gm evaluating talent at the same level as the previous one. not many people in the league were better at that. Umm ok.... Ild rather not have more first round exits with no hope teams. You can take that level talent. I want a lot more than that for the team that’s ties for most championships in league history |
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Post by dangermike on Jun 7, 2021 12:15:24 GMT -5
id settle for the new gm evaluating talent at the same level as the previous one. not many people in the league were better at that. Umm ok.... Ild rather not have more first round exits with no hope teams. You can take that level talent. I want a lot more than that for the team that’s ties for most championships in league history so youd rather a team make it deep in the playoffs 75% of the time? cool bc thats the same team. find me a team that has over performed this consistently. |
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Post by dyoungteach on Jun 7, 2021 13:24:00 GMT -5
Umm ok.... Ild rather not have more first round exits with no hope teams. You can take that level talent. I want a lot more than that for the team that’s ties for most championships in league history so youd rather a team make it deep in the playoffs 75% of the time? cool bc thats the same team. find me a team that has over performed this consistently. Lakers |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 7, 2021 15:24:57 GMT -5
The Lakers missed the playoffs for 6 straight years, won a championship and then lost in the first round. If you think that’s consistency I don't know what to tell you. The Celtics don't have a championship yet over the past eight years they have won many more playoff series. Three trips to the conference finals, second best run of my 30 years of watching them besides the big three. Icing on the cake is that our true window is only just starting.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jun 17, 2021 16:29:05 GMT -5
The Lakers missed the playoffs for 6 straight years, won a championship and then lost in the first round. If you think that’s consistency I don't know what to tell you. The Celtics don't have a championship yet over the past eight years they have won many more playoff series. Three trips to the conference finals, second best run of my 30 years of watching them besides the big three. Icing on the cake is that our true window is only just starting. I liked your post, but take exception with one sentence the last one. The window has been open for a few seasons now. Injuries and other factors screwed it up when it began with Kyrie, more injuries with Kemba have screwed it up for the past two seasons. I'd say the window began 3 years ago. Getting a "BIG" 3 is key to attracting the additional pieces needed. We clearly have 2 pieces with the Jay's, after that while I like some pieces there is a big whole becuase as much as I love Kemba's game and personality he can't seem to stay healthy and at his age and size, much like Dustin P, you can no longer count on him. Moving him seems to be the biggest need of the team in order to create cap space for the second or third piece. Two big needs of the team are a ball distributor that doesn't necessarily need to score nightly and another big for depth in case TL has continued health issues. This past season was encouraging regarding his health albeit there is still lingering concerns. GM Stevens has a very big first year on his table. Another important item is the growth and health of Langford and Nesmith. A solid jump by either of those two this year would make many problems go away. The fact that covid erased training camp and many practices gives me some hope that this is a realistic possibility rather than a pipe dream. You say the window is just opening and I say the franchise is in flux and could go either way in a hurry or stay par for the course. It's all wide open and nothing next season should be all that surprising no matter the result. I hate riding the fence but this is where I'm mentally at with this team right now. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 17, 2021 17:10:05 GMT -5
The Lakers missed the playoffs for 6 straight years, won a championship and then lost in the first round. If you think that’s consistency I don't know what to tell you. The Celtics don't have a championship yet over the past eight years they have won many more playoff series. Three trips to the conference finals, second best run of my 30 years of watching them besides the big three. Icing on the cake is that our true window is only just starting. I liked your post, but take exception with one sentence the last one. The window has been open for a few seasons now. Injuries and other factors screwed it up when it began with Kyrie, more injuries with Kemba have screwed it up for the past two seasons. I'd say the window began 3 years ago. Getting a "BIG" 3 is key to attracting the additional pieces needed. We clearly have 2 pieces with the Jay's, after that while I like some pieces there is a big whole becuase as much as I love Kemba's game and personality he can't seem to stay healthy and at his age and size, much like Dustin P, you can no longer count on him. Moving him seems to be the biggest need of the team in order to create cap space for the second or third piece. Two big needs of the team are a ball distributor that doesn't necessarily need to score nightly and another big for depth in case TL has continued health issues. This past season was encouraging regarding his health albeit there is still lingering concerns. GM Stevens has a very big first year on his table. Another important item is the growth and health of Langford and Nesmith. A solid jump by either of those two this year would make many problems go away. The fact that covid erased training camp and many practices gives me some hope that this is a realistic possibility rather than a pipe dream. You say the window is just opening and I say the franchise is in flux and could go either way in a hurry or stay par for the course. It's all wide open and nothing next season should be all that surprising no matter the result. I hate riding the fence but this is where I'm mentally at with this team right now. I think you're buying media hype, not what's on the court. Irving did more harm than good, that's a fact. No team can win with him as their best player. Our two best seasons can when Irving got injured and he left. Who knows what Irving/ Hayward would have been if he didn't get injured, yet it happened and given what we got to see with Irving, it likely never would have worked. He needs better players to control him, take the ball out of his hands. I stand by my comments that our window is just opening as true title contenders. I 100% believe Tatum and Brown are good enough starting next year. That's the best pairing you've had since the big three You are certainly at a crossroads. I just see it as how quickly you build a championship team around the them, not if you can. The right moves and you're a title contender as early as next year, the wrong moves and it might take a few more years. |
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Post by texs31 on Jun 18, 2021 9:40:11 GMT -5
I mean, did the C's have an OUTSIDE chance of pulling off a big upset during the stretch of Conference Finals appearances (both there and in the Finals themselves)? Sure.
But do we really think that was a TRUE window? I guess it depends on your definition. If looking at it as a time when you have every reason to believe you can win a championship, then probably not. If it's just a time where you have a "punchers chance"? Sure.
I do agree though that our real window is waiting for the right team to be built around Tatum/Brown.
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