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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by texs31 on Mar 9, 2021 8:35:27 GMT -5
With Brown only playing 5gs last year, it is likely that a decent chunk of the 11m is NLTBE bonus (not hitting the cap). So as Mobaz suggests, it could be something that they could cut bait from if it's not working out.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 9:29:49 GMT -5
Pats to trade back for Trent Brown, who will be on a 1 year $11m deal. He seemed a little overrated to me while here so it surprises me. Guessing Thuney is gone and Wynn will be in the mix at LG or RT depending on where Onwenu fits best. Not sure about overrated maybe you are right but the Pats won that SB with an O that was ground and pound. Put Brown and 350 lb Onwenu beside each other and I can see some line of scrimmage domination. That is one way to overcome the lack of talent at WR and TE. Pats could have the #1 Oline next year. Per PFF they had the #4 OL last year, not much room for improvement. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 9, 2021 12:24:38 GMT -5
Not sure about overrated maybe you are right but the Pats won that SB with an O that was ground and pound. Put Brown and 350 lb Onwenu beside each other and I can see some line of scrimmage domination. That is one way to overcome the lack of talent at WR and TE. Pats could have the #1 Oline next year. Per PFF they had the #4 OL last year, not much room for improvement. Not much room for improvement however they will be losing Thuney so it makes sense to add another quality body to hopefully maintain such a high ranking I like the pickup. Not a ton of risk involved. We know he can play here. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 9, 2021 13:20:56 GMT -5
Per PFF they had the #4 OL last year, not much room for improvement. Not much room for improvement however they will be losing Thuney so it makes sense to add another quality body to hopefully maintain such a high ranking I like the pickup. Not a ton of risk involved. We know he can play here. Let's see the contract if it's like Texas thinks and not close to 11 million it's likely fine. Maybe you get lucky again and he doesn't miss time. He works crazy hard and stays in shape. Yet he gets injured a lot. I don't see a lock to play 16 games and once again be a great LT just because he's playing for Bill. Add in Wynn and man things could get bad. Now if it's like 5-6 million with a bunch of incentives deemed unlikely for him to reach, that's a very good move. Yet like you said, they are likely losing Thuney, maybe Andrews. The OL being better isn't going to make this team better. I think we proved last year you can't run it down people throats if you don't have at minimum a decent passing game. We need upgrades at QB, WR and TE. Heck we actually need a DL, like we literally don't have one right now. We have a lot of needs, so the value of his contract really matters. Yet I guess it's better than once again using a ton of draft capital on the OL. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 9, 2021 13:22:56 GMT -5
Not much room for improvement however they will be losing Thuney so it makes sense to add another quality body to hopefully maintain such a high ranking I like the pickup. Not a ton of risk involved. We know he can play here. Let's see the contract if it's like Texas thinks and not close to 11 million it's likely fine. Maybe you get lucky again and he doesn't miss time. He works crazy hard and stays in shape. Yet he gets injured a lot. I don't see a lock to play 16 games and once again be a great LT just because he's playing for Bill. Add in Wynn and man things could get bad. Now if it's like 5-6 million with a bunch of incentives deemed unlikely for him to reach, that's a very good move. Yet like you said, they are likely losing Thuney, maybe Andrews. The OL being better isn't going to make this team better. I think we proved last year you can't run it down people throats if you don't have at minimum a decent passing game. We need upgrades at QB, WR and TE. Heck we actually need a DL, like we literally don't have one right now. We have a lot of needs, so the value of his contract really matters. Yet I guess it's better than once again using a ton of draft capital on the OL. I think I’ve seen somewhere it’s a $7 mill cap hit so basically cutting Cannon and adding him is a wash I’ll try and find something to verify that number |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 9, 2021 17:06:03 GMT -5
It’s too early to say told you so but the Bucs resigned David and tagged Godwin. Most of the band will return... just you wait.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 9, 2021 17:30:26 GMT -5
Let's see the contract if it's like Texas thinks and not close to 11 million it's likely fine. Maybe you get lucky again and he doesn't miss time. He works crazy hard and stays in shape. Yet he gets injured a lot. I don't see a lock to play 16 games and once again be a great LT just because he's playing for Bill. Add in Wynn and man things could get bad. Now if it's like 5-6 million with a bunch of incentives deemed unlikely for him to reach, that's a very good move. Yet like you said, they are likely losing Thuney, maybe Andrews. The OL being better isn't going to make this team better. I think we proved last year you can't run it down people throats if you don't have at minimum a decent passing game. We need upgrades at QB, WR and TE. Heck we actually need a DL, like we literally don't have one right now. We have a lot of needs, so the value of his contract really matters. Yet I guess it's better than once again using a ton of draft capital on the OL. I think I’ve seen somewhere it’s a $7 mill cap hit so basically cutting Cannon and adding him is a wash I’ll try and find something to verify that number That Miguel (PatsCap) doesn't have it yet makes me think that any number out there is just a guess. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 9, 2021 20:17:59 GMT -5
I think I’ve seen somewhere it’s a $7 mill cap hit so basically cutting Cannon and adding him is a wash I’ll try and find something to verify that number That Miguel (PatsCap) doesn't have it yet makes me think that any number out there is just a guess. Miguel waits for the official NFL release which won’t take place for a couple weeks. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 10, 2021 7:16:43 GMT -5
"Not much room for improvement" "the OL being better isn't going to make this team better."
Hmmmm... I think I have to disagree with these statements.
Not going to get into a back and forth with you about this but a dominant OL is one of the MOST important assets to have in football PERIOD!! For obvious reasons.
And before you go off on all the Pats needs let me just say the offseason has just begun and they have plenty of time and money to fill alot of those holes. This is a great move!!!
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 10, 2021 7:27:35 GMT -5
"Not much room for improvement" "the OL being better isn't going to make this team better." Hmmmm... I think I have to disagree with these statements. Not going to get into a back and forth with you about this but a dominant OL is one of the MOST important assets to have in football PERIOD!! For obvious reasons. And before you go off on all the Pats needs let me just say the offseason has just begun and they have plenty of time and money to fill alot of those holes. This is a great move!!! I think those statements are related. So It should read. “They were 4th in OL last year, therefore there isn’t much room for improvement (on the online) so making the line better isn’t going to have a major impact.” We all seem to value offensive line play and I agree it’s a potentially great move, but it’s more of a lateral move from last year. That’s ok; we need to make those too considering players need to be replaced. |
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Post by costpet on Mar 10, 2021 8:22:24 GMT -5
Sport Journal was really tough on Bill today. Bill doesn't always get it right as a GM. I think we all knew that.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 9:34:04 GMT -5
Cap officially at 182.5. PatsCap has NE with 64.49 in space (this does NOT include Trent Brown).
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Post by badfishnbc on Mar 10, 2021 10:46:17 GMT -5
Sport Journal was really tough on Bill today. Bill doesn't always get it right as a GM. I think we all knew that. Bill is the GM and head coach so there's nowhere else for the blame to go. If you're taking about Curran's article then that didn't seem too harsh, mostly a cumulative list of fairly reasonable questions. Personally, I thought Bill should have retired when Brady left so he could keep his legacy in tact. Honestly, if this year goes the way last year did the narrative about what Bill actually contributed is going to get much worse. If Bill retired when Brady left, he would've been called a coward by the national media and tainted his legacy by opening it up to claims that he was a product of Brady's greatness. He's going to do this his way and that means going down with the ship after firing all his cannons, i.e. this year's cap space-driven roster reset. He might not get another ring, but if he makes a conference championship game, he's made his point. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 10, 2021 10:51:10 GMT -5
5th year options for Michel and Wynn coming up. Not sure what the playing time criteria are, but Wynn would be about $10m and Michel about $5m. I think the team is better passing on Michel (I bet they can keep him for similar or less with a flat cap). Wynn will be a tough decision by May 3rd, but he might also be a pass since it is injury-guaranteed. Maybe he signs a new deal that flattens his salary for '21/'22 and has health incentives, with the chance to enter FA on-schedule.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2021 10:52:14 GMT -5
It’s too early to say told you so but the Bucs resigned David and tagged Godwin. Most of the band will return... just you wait. The cap just came in 2.5 million lower than expected, that walks you through ways they can clear cap space, yet they are already David's contract in the black as Godwin used all their cap space. You need millions for draft picks, you need depth signings. Guys left and their projected market values and they nailed David who they had at $12.7 million, he got 12.5 million. Barrett 19.7, Vea 9.6, Gronk 8.5, Fournette 8.1, Suh 6.8 and they don't project one for Brown yet I'm going to say minimum his market value is around 5 million. Now like that article said you can cut Brite and Howard, not resign Vea. Yet your not going to have the same team with that unreal depth that could withstand injuries and injuries will happen that's just football. It's literally the reason Bill would let so many big time free agents go, he built deep teams year after year, not top heavy teams where a few injuries killed you. Unless those guys are all taking below market deals or Brady does some crazy low extension I don't see it. You can clear space, yet those guys I mentioned have an expected market value of 70.4 million this year, plus draft picks and depth signings. Spotrac confirms the numbers, with Godwin they are already out of cap space even before the David signing. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 14:30:36 GMT -5
Pats getting calls on Henry, per Garoffolo.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2021 14:37:09 GMT -5
Pats getting calls on Henry, per Garoffolo. Is that auto correct? Maybe Harry? |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 14:39:27 GMT -5
I'd love to blame it on auto-correct. It's quite possible I just flat out typed it wrong. But, yes, it's Harry.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 14:41:47 GMT -5
Patriots only getting 2 comp picks (3rd and 4th). Nick Korte thought they could get a 2nd 4th. So add 96 and 140 to their list of picks.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 10, 2021 14:42:13 GMT -5
If Bill retired when Brady left, he would've been called a coward by the national media and tainted his legacy by opening it up to claims that he was a product of Brady's greatness. He's going to do this his way and that means going down with the ship after firing all his cannons*, i.e. this year's cap space-driven roster reset. He might not get another ring, but if he makes a conference championship game, he's made his point. If he had retired then people could have debated what you're pointing out, but with Brady winning another ring and the Pats going 7-9 it's fair to say that Bill's reputation would be better had he not coached in 2020. At this point, Bill kind of has to make the championship game just to get back to even and IMHO another losing season kills any idea that Bill is on the same level as Brady in terms of who carried the dynasty. *Firing all his Cannons - Marcus and who else?  That seems like a crazy take from fans that don't really understand football. Brady left and hand picked a team loaded with talent and left the Patriots with tons of dead cap space and waisted picks on players like Sanu trying to make him happy. It's like Bill leaving the Patriots to go coach say the Bills and Brady goes to the Jags, then trying to use that to prove who's better. It just makes no sense. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 15:07:03 GMT -5
I'd love to blame it on auto-correct. It's quite possible I just flat out typed it wrong. But, yes, it's Harry. Per Korte, it looks like it's all Damiere Byrd's fault. EDIT - Or you could look at it as Elandon Roberts fault. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 10, 2021 15:48:54 GMT -5
I'd love to blame it on auto-correct. It's quite possible I just flat out typed it wrong. But, yes, it's Harry. Per Korte, it looks like it's all Damiere Byrd's fault. EDIT - Or you could look at it as Elandon Roberts fault. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 16:00:23 GMT -5
BTW - as a Michigan fan, I knew drafting Tom Brady was a smart move.
No, I didn't think he'd lead them to SBs. I didn't think he'd become the GOAT. I didn't even have confidence that he'd be an above average starter in this league.
I DID think that he'd be good enough that they'd be able to, someday, turn that pick (199) into a better pick. Turns out, I was right (96).
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 16:01:46 GMT -5
That seems like a crazy take from fans that don't really understand football. Brady left and hand picked a team loaded with talent and left the Patriots with tons of dead cap space and waisted picks on players like Sanu trying to make him happy. It's like Bill leaving the Patriots to go coach say the Bills and Brady goes to the Jags, then trying to use that to prove who's better. It just makes no sense. Brady went to a team that was 7-9 the previous season and won a Super Bowl. Granted, Tampa's biggest need was QB but lots of guys go to "super teams" that don't work out. As for the Pats, they went from Super Bowl contention to 7-9 without Brady. There are extenuating circumstances that are obviously not entirely Bill's fault, but there are plenty of things that are. The lack of cap space, QB, WR, and TE are all because of decisions Bill has made. Use any example you want as an excuse (Sanu, Brown, etc.) but absolving Bill form the situation he's created for himself makes no sense either. Seriously, shame on Bill for putting together a string of championships for New England. How dare he! |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 10, 2021 16:17:26 GMT -5
Wow. I'm on fire. Just realized I'd edited the wrong post. (TBC it is NEITHER Elandon Roberts fault, nor Damiere Byrd's, that I incorrectly typed Henry instead of Harry).
Probably should find a completely unrelated post to add this to but the NFL just announced the Patriot's 4th rd comp pick has been moved up to 139.
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