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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by costpet on Mar 15, 2021 7:28:54 GMT -5
This might be the year BB finally gets it right in the draft. I think he feels the pressure to have a great draft. Better picks, better scouting, better speed. I'm hoping for a really fast great WR in the first round. He'll concentrate on linemen in the middle rounds. He'll probably have to trade or get a free agent for TE. This could be the year he really gets creative.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2021 7:48:22 GMT -5
This might be the year BB finally gets it right in the draft. I think he feels the pressure to have a great draft. Better picks, better scouting, better speed. I'm hoping for a really fast great WR in the first round. He'll concentrate on linemen in the middle rounds. He'll probably have to trade or get a free agent for TE. This could be the year he really gets creative. This is one of the hardest drafts to scout - limited games to look at and off-season workouts are basically nonexistent, no one on one meetings. It’s possible this works in favor for the Patriots, maybe they draft guys who have more physical traits than normal. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2021 7:59:35 GMT -5
Wouldn’t it be like using Cannon and our pick in that round since we didn’t gain a pick we just moved up in that round. Right. What i meant was, if someone had said " . . . and pick 120 + Marcus Cannon", then it would be silly. But if someone now says " . . . and pick 109" I gotcha. Not sure I agree but I get it. Looking at this from the other side, Cannon is a really good get for Houston. $7m cap this this year and 6.350m next with no dead money. That’s pretty strong value for a good starting RT and even a starting guard and add in the fact that he’s versatile so can play multiple positions should there be injuries it’s a very good get. There’s a good chance he slides inside to RG as they have a good young RT. For the Patriots, he didn’t make sense due to the cap savings and the other players already on the roster. It’s too much for a backup tackle/guard. There’s a realistic world where Cannon is a better player than either Onwenu, Wynn or Brown, but it’s irrelevant. I admittedly, overlooked the trade avenue, I basically assumed he would retire, get cut or restructure. He did get traded to his home town team so it’s possible he told the team he’d retire if he wasn’t cut or traded to Texas. However, putting all that aside, Marcus Cannon at those contract numbers, even at his age, probably had more trade value than just a fifth round pick. I think this is Bill taking care of a loyal veteran and getting a little something for him. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2021 8:32:01 GMT -5
Like I said it was more of how my brain works.
Basically, they turned someone who we wouldn't have thought had value (Marcus Cannon) into something that does (increased value on their current draft picks).
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2021 9:19:56 GMT -5
Right. What i meant was, if someone had said " . . . and pick 120 + Marcus Cannon", then it would be silly. But if someone now says " . . . and pick 109" I gotcha. Not sure I agree but I get it. Looking at this from the other side, Cannon is a really good get for Houston. $7m cap this this year and 6.350m next with no dead money. That’s pretty strong value for a good starting RT and even a starting guard and add in the fact that he’s versatile so can play multiple positions should there be injuries it’s a very good get. There’s a good chance he slides inside to RG as they have a good young RT. For the Patriots, he didn’t make sense due to the cap savings and the other players already on the roster. It’s too much for a backup tackle/guard. There’s a realistic world where Cannon is a better player than either Onwenu, Wynn or Brown, but it’s irrelevant. I admittedly, overlooked the trade avenue, I basically assumed he would retire, get cut or restructure. He did get traded to his home town team so it’s possible he told the team he’d retire if he wasn’t cut or traded to Texas. However, putting all that aside, Marcus Cannon at those contract numbers, even at his age, probably had more trade value than just a fifth round pick. I think this is Bill taking care of a loyal veteran and getting a little something for him. Cannon is local to Texas and I bet BB was doing him a favor sending him somewhere he would enjoy being sent to and would get playing time. Not sure he had much more value than a 5th though- his versatility is super valuable but his play on the field was in decline before his opt out. Idk if a year off will help that I do think it’s a good move by the Texans too though. Even if he is in decline it’s not like this is a long term investment. He’s still a clear upgrade for them at guard |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 11:57:22 GMT -5
I keep going back and forth over if this year helps the Patriots in the draft or hurts them. I'm going to say it helps them.
It will be interesting to watch how far off the so called experts are this year.
The one thing I want the Patriots to do is expand their draft board. For a team that values picking more lower guys I don't ever want to hear we traded up for Cowart and Bailey because we were running out of guys on our draft board. Yet then year after year bring in quality undrafted free agents. You basically ruin the trade down strategy that way by waisting your extra picks, which is why you traded down in the first place.
Last draft they waisted so much by way overdrafting Keene in the third, then that kicker in the 5th. It looked horrible at the time and it looks worse now. Eliminate that crap, it's the difference from a good solid draft and a great draft. They traded picks 125, 129 and a 2021 6th to draft Keene over Trautman, Bryant and Okwuegbunam. Then in the 5th they passed on a good center, multiple WRs and a DT. We needed players at those positions last year. Bill does this most years and it's only fine if he hits on those guys. Draft busts will happen, I have zero issues as long as you are taking them somewhere close to their range. Not trading up to take a TE three rounds early over better prospects or taking a kicker no one and I mean no one had getting drafted in the 5th.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2021 12:00:47 GMT -5
Pats signing Jonnu Smith for 4/50 w/31.25 guaranteed per Schefter
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 15, 2021 12:06:12 GMT -5
Pats signing Jonnu Smith for 4/50 w/31.25 guaranteed per Schefter He'll definitely upgrade their TE play but seems like a lot to give him. Pats will use him more than titans did so he should put up better numbers. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2021 12:08:54 GMT -5
2/16 w/9 guaranteed for Davon Godchaux
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Post by mobaz on Mar 15, 2021 12:12:20 GMT -5
Kinda surprised at the final number for Jonnu. I like his upside and versatility better than Henry, but expected Henry to go for that price and Jonnu for $10m per year. Both are big injury risks (as was Gronk!).
But happy the Pats were aggressive. I'm still game for Kenny Golladay even at $18-20m, and maybe one big dollar defensive player, plus Andrews.
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2021 12:14:15 GMT -5
Loving both pickups
Had a feeling they’d land Godchaux
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Post by mobaz on Mar 15, 2021 12:16:37 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 13:04:18 GMT -5
Kinda surprised at the final number for Jonnu. I like his upside and versatility better than Henry, but expected Henry to go for that price and Jonnu for $10m per year. Both are big injury risks (as was Gronk!). But happy the Pats were aggressive. I'm still game for Kenny Golladay even at $18-20m, and maybe one big dollar defensive player, plus Andrews. Smith has averaged 15 games over the last four years. Two seasons playing 16, one at 15 and one at 13. I don't see the big injury risk you're talking about. I'm surprised a guy who never had even 500 yards in a season is now the third biggest paid TE in the league. Yet our offense is much different than the Titians. |
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2021 13:19:42 GMT -5
Rapaport now saying they’re going hard after Judon
Sheeeeeesh
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Post by cdj on Mar 15, 2021 13:20:39 GMT -5
Smith has averaged 15 games over the last four years. Two seasons playing 16, one at 15 and one at 13. I don't see the big injury risk you're talking about. I'm surprised a guy who never had even 500 yards in a season is now the third biggest paid TE in the league. Yet our offense is much different than the Titians. Just curious, would you rather have Smith or Ertz? There was a rumor that he could be had for a 3rd or 4th round pick and his cap hits appear to be $12.7m, $1.8m, and $1.8m over the last 3 years of his contract. Ertz appears to be a declining player, Jonnu appears to be ascending. Give me the guy that doesn’t require a day 2 pick and has some potential upside left |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 13:37:55 GMT -5
Smith has averaged 15 games over the last four years. Two seasons playing 16, one at 15 and one at 13. I don't see the big injury risk you're talking about. I'm surprised a guy who never had even 500 yards in a season is now the third biggest paid TE in the league. Yet our offense is much different than the Titians. Just curious, would you rather have Smith or Ertz? There was a rumor that he could be had for a 3rd or 4th round pick and his cap hits appear to be $12.7m, $1.8m, and $1.8m over the last 3 years of his contract. Only one year left on Ertz deal and he wants a new contract. Without knowing what he wants I really can't say. I have a feeling he wants a huge contract. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 13:40:11 GMT -5
Rapaport now saying they’re going hard after Judon Sheeeeeesh I like it, we need defense and the amount of QB hits he gets are darn impressive. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Mar 15, 2021 13:40:21 GMT -5
Just curious, would you rather have Smith or Ertz? There was a rumor that he could be had for a 3rd or 4th round pick and his cap hits appear to be $12.7m, $1.8m, and $1.8m over the last 3 years of his contract. Ertz has one year left, not three. You are counting void years. Ertz was bad last year, Smith is a much better player. I wouldn't be excited for Ertz at his salary even if he didn't cost a pick. Even if Ertz can get healthy and rebounds, he'd be a one year stopgap and the Patriots need a longer term solution. It does feel like the Patriots overextended for Smith financially, but he's a perfect fit. Hopefully Asiasi becomes a dependable #2 and they can run a lot of 12 personnel, it'd be ideal with their running attack and oline. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 15, 2021 13:47:18 GMT -5
Kinda surprised at the final number for Jonnu. I like his upside and versatility better than Henry, but expected Henry to go for that price and Jonnu for $10m per year. Both are big injury risks (as was Gronk!). But happy the Pats were aggressive. I'm still game for Kenny Golladay even at $18-20m, and maybe one big dollar defensive player, plus Andrews. Smith has averaged 15 games over the last four years. Two seasons playing 16, one at 15 and one at 13. I don't see the big injury risk you're talking about. I'm surprised a guy who never had even 500 yards in a season is now the third biggest paid TE in the league. Yet our offense is much different than the Titians. You're right that he hasn't missed a lot of games, but Jonnu plays injured on a regular basis. Which, being on the field is better than not, but there were quite a few games where he was effective in blocking but not catching due to injury. Source: Had him in Fantasy Football for multiple years. Again, same as and maybe better than injury risk on Henry, but he won't be worth $12M if he's playing through ankle sprains and whatnot for half the season. I also Smith at $12M better than Ertz for that price if that's where his next contract ends up. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 15, 2021 13:55:18 GMT -5
When going thru my list the other day, I mentioned signing Henry, but I totally forgot he’s never played 16 games in a season. I wouldn’t give a player like that big money.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 14:00:34 GMT -5
Smith has averaged 15 games over the last four years. Two seasons playing 16, one at 15 and one at 13. I don't see the big injury risk you're talking about. I'm surprised a guy who never had even 500 yards in a season is now the third biggest paid TE in the league. Yet our offense is much different than the Titians. You're right that he hasn't missed a lot of games, but Jonnu plays injured on a regular basis. Which, being on the field is better than not, but there were quite a few games where he was effective in blocking but not catching due to injury. Source: Had him in Fantasy Football for multiple years. Again, same as and maybe better than injury risk on Henry, but he won't be worth $12M if he's playing through ankle sprains and whatnot for half the season. I also Smith at $12M better than Ertz for that price if that's where his next contract ends up. That doesn't make much sense, I'm thinking it's the offense. Titians are a vertical team, Smith seems to be more of a fit in our offense. Guys are dinged up all year long and I certainly don't see a base line that shows injuries hurt his production. You should have targeted their RB or WRs for fantasy. Yet I would recommend him this year haha.😂 |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 14:02:53 GMT -5
Have to say I love not having to wait weeks for signings. This is exciting!
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Post by mobaz on Mar 15, 2021 14:03:22 GMT -5
Judon signs for 4/$56M. Can't say I'm very smart on the lines beyond name-brand players but it's not SO high for a pass rusher. Theory is he'll be a solid hybrid in the Pats system. They are definitely getting players who should be program fits (Ravens obviously a different D but their DC Martindale was McDaniels' DC in Denver)
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Post by texs31 on Mar 15, 2021 14:05:56 GMT -5
Add DB Jalen Mills to the signings.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 15, 2021 14:21:04 GMT -5
Judon has 19, 20, 33, and 21 QB hits over the last four years, Van Noy had 7, 5, 7, and 10. I don't know if he's anything like the complete player Van Noy is, yet he gets after the QB.
Love that we are upgrading the Defense.
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