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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 16, 2021 10:49:47 GMT -5
WEEI had an article saying that the Pats are still in on Leonard Fournette, although the latest has him considering the Seahawks.
I'm so enjoying all this.
I've been a Patriots fan for many, many years, almost 40, but I really don't know the quality of the football players around the league, so I rely on fan opinions, talkshows, etc (Yes, I know, not the best way....)
From what I gather the Pats got a great TE yesterday in Smith, but it left others saying he's good, but it's too bad they didn't get Henry - and now they just have.
It sounds like Bourne is a promising wide receiver and the other one is kind of questionable.
Sounds like they got an excellent pass rusher and some other good defensive players.
It still sounds like they really need a go-to wide receiver. Do they still have the money to go get one?
And is Cam the guy who is going to be the QB? I'm assuming the Jimmy G thing isn't happening and they'll get their QB heir apparent in the draft.
And my other uneducated thought is (and I suppose timing is the answer to my question) why couldn't they have given Tom Brady all of those weapons? I mean, I think he left because he looked around him and saw a lot of mediocrity that he knew that even he couldn't win with.
But now, this team looks so drastically different - and better. Just hoping they get that heir apparent QB in the draft, whether it's Jones or Lance or whoever, and I'm hoping they can still land an impact receiver.
Wouldn't it be something if next year's superbowl was the Pats versus Brady and the Bucs?
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Post by costpet on Mar 16, 2021 11:10:58 GMT -5
You're still looking for a QB, WR, and maybe a LB in the first round. If they can sign Andrews at center, those are their most needs. Just hope they don't go CB.
Wild day. I don't know any of those guys, but I'll rely on Bill's instincts. Talk about a remake. That just shows you the value of cap space, or lack thereof. Lots of teams in trouble there.
It'll be fun to get to know these new guys. I wonder what's next.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2021 11:13:49 GMT -5
Other than QB, I would think projecting a draft pick for NE based on what you think they need is probably going to leave you confused/frustrated. While the spending is unique, their process always seems to be to fill needs via trade/free agency and then get the players who can be most successful in their system. Just want everyone to be prepare for when Bill is able to trade up into the QB range but then takes a LB.  EDIT - I only include the QB caveat bc we really haven't seen them in this position before. Bill could see it as no different (or he believes Cam will be MUCH better with a full offseason, better weapons, etc). |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 11:24:32 GMT -5
You're still looking for a QB, WR, and maybe a LB in the first round. If they can sign Andrews at center, those are their most needs. Just hope they don't go CB. Wild day. I don't know any of those guys, but I'll rely on Bill's instincts. Talk about a remake. That just shows you the value of cap space, or lack thereof. Lots of teams in trouble there. It'll be fun to get to know these new guys. I wonder what's next. If a top CB was there at 15, I’d be very happy with getting him after this free agency period. If they keep Gilmore, corner may not be a huge need, but it will be next year and looking a year a head in the draft is smart. Plus, it’s not like it wouldn’t help this year too. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 11:50:39 GMT -5
Details on Bourne deal.
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2021 11:50:45 GMT -5
If they aren’t aggressive and move up for a QB I bet they trade down to the Jags pick at 25 and snag the Jags pick at 46 as well
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 16, 2021 12:07:08 GMT -5
Other than QB, I would think projecting a draft pick for NE based on what you think they need is probably going to leave you confused/frustrated. While the spending is unique, their process always seems to be to fill needs via trade/free agency and then get the players who can be most successful in their system. Just want everyone to be prepare for when Bill is able to trade up into the QB range but then takes a LB. EDIT - I only include the QB caveat bc we really haven't seen them in this position before. Bill could see it as no different (or he believes Cam will be MUCH better with a full offseason, better weapons, etc). Could make sense for a guy like Parsons. |
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Post by mobaz on Mar 16, 2021 13:50:35 GMT -5
The Patriots haven't signed anyone in hours! What is happening?? ::forgets that this is how the first week of FA goes for the Pats 90% of the time::
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2021 14:10:10 GMT -5
The Patriots haven't signed anyone in hours! What is happening?? ::forgets that this is how the first week of FA goes for the Pats 90% of the time:: I’m over here scratching my arms, I need my fix! At least sign Burkhead or something to hold me over! |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2021 14:47:34 GMT -5
Andrews, Mack and Karras just got a little nervous as Rodney Hudson was just released by the Raiders. Wonder if they try to lock in deals before teams move on to the best C in the game (or if they wait to let him raise the market a bit).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 15:04:09 GMT -5
Andrews, Mack and Karras just got a little nervous as Rodney Hudson was just released by the Raiders. Wonder if they try to lock in deals before teams move on to the best C in the game (or if they wait to let him raise the market a bit). Something is off there as the Raiders lost cap room to release him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 15:04:57 GMT -5
People hating on the Pats for over paying actually makes me feel better because “free agency” winners always suck. People calling them losers makes me feel good.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2021 15:10:23 GMT -5
Andrews, Mack and Karras just got a little nervous as Rodney Hudson was just released by the Raiders. Wonder if they try to lock in deals before teams move on to the best C in the game (or if they wait to let him raise the market a bit). Something is off there as the Raiders lost cap room to release him. The announcement made it sound as though it was his request and they granted it. EDIT - not suggesting that explains it. still seems weird as you suggested. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 15:42:52 GMT -5
The onion is pure gold... this one stings tho...  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 15:51:32 GMT -5
Updated cap space:  |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2021 15:55:18 GMT -5
Still LOTS of room to move even after the details of the others come out.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 16, 2021 15:56:35 GMT -5
 I think teams expect a huge cap jump - new TV deals. |
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2021 20:07:41 GMT -5
So first Howe writes a piece on how Watson to NE makes sense as the final piece to this spree and then Mike Lombardi "reports" that NE is now on DeDhauns list of preferred destinations.
So, I'll play. Gotta believe the only way the Pats can make a competitive offer is to include some of the better players from the last couple of drafts and/or offer pick compensation, the likes of which we have never seen (and may never again) right?
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Post by texs31 on Mar 16, 2021 21:24:29 GMT -5
In the more realistic world, Lazar is saying that NE could still land another WR with only Golloday likely off the table.
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Post by cdj on Mar 16, 2021 21:41:24 GMT -5
So first Howe writes a piece on how Watson to NE makes sense as the final piece to this spree and then Mike Lombardi "reports" that NE is now on DeDhauns list of preferred destinations. So, I'll play. Gotta believe the only way the Pats can make a competitive offer is to include some of the better players from the last couple of drafts and/or offer pick compensation, the likes of which we have never seen (and may never again) right? From what I gather Lombardi didn’t say that but it would make sense for NE to be a destination at this point I doubt it happens though |
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 17, 2021 0:10:03 GMT -5
Not a big fan of the move for Cam but I get it. Maybe he surprises us and stops throwing it at guys feet, we shall see. The Pats will make the playoffs though and will win 11. BB has been challenged and he loves that. And he loves having 65+ million to spend in an offseason that will be ripe with talent and very little money, making his dollars go even further. Players like Cam, on and off the Pats, so this move will help land some guys. If you thought this years team ran the ball well wait until next year. The addition of Brown, who was a Pro Bowler after leaving in 2018, will make this teams Oline dominant. That along with a true FB they missed in 2020 will make the run game elite which will help the passing game a lot. You heard it hear first, 11 wins and the playoffs in 2021. I'm going to just throw this out there and say that maybe I saw this coming!!! Wait.... just wait. With the 2 top TE signings it points to a team that will dominate at the line of scrimmage and running the ball with play action to facilitate the passing game. Old time football at its best, win the line of scrimmage and win the game. Now we get to see if BB the coach can follow thru with BB the GMs plan, I am optimistic!! |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 17, 2021 2:19:51 GMT -5
I like Kyle Trask. You worry because he doesn't have a rocket for an arm and isn't a dual threat guy. I see the big Ben comps. A little more raw than you'd think given no high school starts. I'm intrigued, he's just tough, a little bit nimble and runs the offense.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 17, 2021 6:59:14 GMT -5
Not a big fan of the move for Cam but I get it. Maybe he surprises us and stops throwing it at guys feet, we shall see. The Pats will make the playoffs though and will win 11. BB has been challenged and he loves that. And he loves having 65+ million to spend in an offseason that will be ripe with talent and very little money, making his dollars go even further. Players like Cam, on and off the Pats, so this move will help land some guys. If you thought this years team ran the ball well wait until next year. The addition of Brown, who was a Pro Bowler after leaving in 2018, will make this teams Oline dominant. That along with a true FB they missed in 2020 will make the run game elite which will help the passing game a lot. You heard it hear first, 11 wins and the playoffs in 2021. I'm going to just throw this out there and say that maybe I saw this coming!!! Wait.... just wait. With the 2 top TE signings it points to a team that will dominate at the line of scrimmage and running the ball with play action to facilitate the passing game. Old time football at its best, win the line of scrimmage and win the game. Now we get to see if BB the coach can follow thru with BB the GMs plan, I am optimistic!! It will be interesting to see if Bill the coach knows how to handle a team built to dominate the line or scrimmage and run 2 tight end sets. Virgin territory for sure. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 17, 2021 8:30:10 GMT -5
Remaining needs...
They will do more in free agency, but the only real remaining need they have to address here is Center. They have to sign a Center. I hope it’s Andrews, but we will see.
I’m going to put QB aside - but hopefully they draft one.
RB - they are in a good spot here but they need to add a couple more. Probably want a pass catching back to replace White, but I hope they use Harris and Michel a lot more as pass catchers. Rex probably returns in a vet minimum deal who starts the year on IR. Besides that, they probably sign a veteran as you need depth at that spot and likely draft a guy somewhere.
WR: They could sign a top guy still, but I don’t think they do: Alghalor, Edelman, Bourne, Meyers is a solid top 4 with the tight ends and backs they have. They still have Harry (for now) as a young guy and possible red zone specialist. Gunner still exists and he turned into a weapon as a punt returner and still holds potential as a WR. There’s just not much room to add unless it’s a top guy, camp body or draft pick. In other words, I don’t expect another Bourne type to be sighed. Cross Samuel off your list. I expect it to be camp bodies and maybe a draft pick.
DL: i like what they’ve done here but could still use another guy. I’d like to see Butler return to give an interior pass rush presence. If Guy is cheap, he fits the system perfectly so he’d be a nice return player. Besides that, unless they make a surprise move for a pass rusher, they’ll probably address this in the draft.
Linebacker - with Hightower around they seem set here, but depth is a concern behind him. Another spot to address in the draft.
DBs - if they keep Gilmore then they should be all set here, but corner and safety are 2 spots that you can see then addressing high in the draft for long term reasons.
Basically, if they resign Butler and Andrews they’ll be pretty much all set on paper.
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Post by costpet on Mar 17, 2021 8:59:36 GMT -5
Yes, they're looking much better, but you still need a QB to run the show. BB seems to have more faith in Cam than the rest of the world. Maybe he'll be okay for 2021, but not beyond. So, I'm thinking he moves up in the draft to get the QB of the future.
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