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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2021 1:10:24 GMT -5
A few things first, this is a crazy deep QB draft. The more important thing than looking at history is looking at the strengths of the draft per position. Example in most years I truly believe Fields would be the first QB taken. He's that talented, I don't know about his IQ and football smarts, etc, yet his raw talent along with production is very good. You think a lot higher of Cam Newton than I do. The Patriots have been going hard after Jimmy because they are 100% sold on Cam? That doesn't make sense. The heart of every draft is the top 100 and this year is no different. So you turned pick 15 into picks 30, 33, 34, 45, 51, 61, 65, 66, 74 and 82? Do you think that's realistic? The issues is I'm sure some of those trades maybe could happen. Yet there's no way you can trade down five times and get HR offers all five times. You're just exploiting a weakness in the mock simulator. Go try the PFN mock simulator. It proposes trades and they are semi realistic. Just accept them and see what happens, you never get anything close to as extreme as you did. I'm all for pushing the limits, like best case scenario type crap, yet we have to stay within the realm of reality. I feel 100% safe saying you'd struggle to get half the picks you got. The best trades usually involve future picks, something the PFN mock offers you a ton of. I just did 10 drafts using the PFN and you are correct, it is not quite as trade friendly as PFF. But you can still do some pretty huge accumulations if you are willing to trade down and trade down and trade down again. Try it yourself. Don't select anyone until around pick 50. Try to keep the space between the lowest numbered pick you are giving up and the lowest numbered pick you are receiving fairly small. That will allow you to trade down again. I never proposed trades to other teams. I always waited for other teams to make offers to me, although I would often make counterproposals. I don't know if you could do significantly better if you select the teams that you want to trade with. Here is my last draft: 46 Mac Jones QB, Alabama <- no idea how he fell this far but he did. He is almost always gone by 20. 51 Asante Samuel Jr CB Florida 74 Jaylen Mayfield OT Michigan 83 Tyson Campbell CB Georgia 84 Amari Rogers WR Clemson 96 Davis Mills QB Stanford <- he is usually my QB target plus one of Trask or Monde 120 Drew Dalman C Stanford <- I usually get Dickerson but he fell through this time 122 Tyree Gillespie S Missouri 123 Demetric Felton WR/RB/KR UCLA <- seems like a useful guy 150 Ben Mason RB Michigan <- will be a great FB. Mason is usually my last pick. This time I had a some high picks left that I couldn't trade out of. 188 Tre Brown CB Oklahoma 197 Tre McKitty E Georgia 242 Chris Evans RB Michigan Here is my previous draft 46 Trevon Moehrig S TCU 48 Asante Samuel Jr CB Florida 49 Elijah Moore WR Mississippi 51 Jaylen Mayfield OT Michigan 65 Landon Dickerson C Alabama 79 Davis Mills QB Stanford 95 Kellen Monde QB Texas A&M 96 Deonte Brown G Alabama 106 Kyle Trask QB Florida <- this time I took all three of the second tier QBs 121 Demetric Felton WR/RB/KR UCLA 130 Shakur Brown CB MSU 242 Ben Mason RB Michigan That's more realistic. I've done way too many mocks at that site, trying multiple different strategies. It all depends what you want and who's there at 15. I've done a bunch of mocks staying put, not making any trades and come away with drafts I'd love. These were PFF, yet no trades. 15 Jaylen Waddle WR 46 Kyle Trask QB 96 Ambry Thomas CB 120 Josh Palmer WR 122 Bobby Brown DT 139 Aaron Banks OG 177 Shakur Brown CB 188 Jacob Harris WR/TE 197 Ian Book QB 242 Larry Roundtree RB
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Elijah Moore WR Jamin Davis LB Milton Williams DT Kendrick Green OG Chris Evans RB Shakur Brown CB Jacob Harris WR/TE Ian Book QB Larry Brown OT
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Rondale Moore WR Tylan Wallace WR Ambry Thomas CB Bobby Brown DT Shaun Wade CB Robert Heinsey RT/OG Ian Book QB Chris Evans RB Jose Borregales K
They greatly differ because the two sites have a huge difference in how they rank Players PFF is big on guys like Palmer and Evans, PFN is much lower on them. PFF has WR and second tier QBs flying off the board, PFN has them dropping much later.
I have a bunch of ones trading down that I love, I just don't see Bill drafting 13-15 guys.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2021 6:00:27 GMT -5
Here’s where I disagree. If you are picking in the top 15 the only thing that matters is hitting a high impact player. You can’t go need there and get a good, not great player. I don’t want an OT, but if the 5qbs, 3wrs, the TE, plus Parsons and Surtain and Horn are gone, but say one of the 2 OTs is there then I don’t want them taking a lessor WR or Corner over a stud Tackle. If there is a great trade back then that’s understandable but if there isn’t you take the stud tackle. Unless you have a DE, DT or a guy like Collins rated as a stud. If he's a stud OT, what are the chances you don't get good trade offers? Is Darrisaw a stud OT? His rankings are different depending who you look at. Some see him as that, others see a low floor high upside guy. I've seen him rated the 2nd, 3rd or 4th OT. I've even seen he might be a RT, yet that was only one report. I'm asking because I haven't watched tape on OT guys and Mocks have him going like 12 to mid 20s. He's not Penei Sewell who everyone agrees is the top guy and a franchise LT for example, he's a guy I'd draft no matter the need. Sewell and Slater are the two top OTs. Don’t get lost in the overall point. Value matters over need when drafting higher in the draft. What are the chances? I don’t know, but it’s certainly possible. If they get a really good to great offer, I said I see trading back but you need to get great value from that pick one way or another. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2021 6:06:45 GMT -5
I basically try to get Shakur Brown in every mock draft. I’ve taken to his scouting reports for whatever reason. I’ve seen Jamin Davis in first round mocks several times lately. I wonder if he’s running up draft boards.
I also get annoyed when Devontah Smith drops to 15, I take him then Elijah Moore is there at 46. Elijah may be my favorite pick if you can get him in the second round.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2021 13:21:39 GMT -5
If he's a stud OT, what are the chances you don't get good trade offers? Is Darrisaw a stud OT? His rankings are different depending who you look at. Some see him as that, others see a low floor high upside guy. I've seen him rated the 2nd, 3rd or 4th OT. I've even seen he might be a RT, yet that was only one report. I'm asking because I haven't watched tape on OT guys and Mocks have him going like 12 to mid 20s. He's not Penei Sewell who everyone agrees is the top guy and a franchise LT for example, he's a guy I'd draft no matter the need. Sewell and Slater are the two top OTs. Don’t get lost in the overall point. Value matters over need when drafting higher in the draft. What are the chances? I don’t know, but it’s certainly possible. If they get a really good to great offer, I said I see trading back but you need to get great value from that pick one way or another. I thought your point was Darrisaw is a stud OT and great value? There are 32 teams, 32 draft boards that all value players differently. Value is a relative term to how you rank players and what makes the NFL draft so fun is how different that is for every team. The 49ers might like Mac Jones at #3, other teams might not think he's a first round guy. For me I don't see Darrisaw as this great value pick at 15. If you do that's fine. Yet you scare the hell out of me with Darrisaw because you've mentioned picking him at 15 as much as any player, yet you never seem to fully commit to him. It's if the Patriots pick him, they do rather well pick OTs, etc crap. If you love him, pound the table and stand up for your guy. My stance hasn't changed for a crazy long time. Doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just not picking Darrisaw at 15, that's not great value to me. I see him as a similar value to many players that you could get later in the first round. I'd rather trade up or trade down if no players fall. I have no doubt in my mind that you can get a good to great trade offer at 15. It's kinda the spot where depending how you rank guys there's a cliff in my opinion. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 21, 2021 13:30:33 GMT -5
Justin Fields has epilepsy. Diagnosed years ago, under control with meds, doctors believe he will grow out of it the same as other family members have.
And yet, we know how this stuff flies on Draft Day. We'll see if it affects his stock I guess. No word on if any teammates came to his birthday party.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2021 14:59:17 GMT -5
Sewell and Slater are the two top OTs. Don’t get lost in the overall point. Value matters over need when drafting higher in the draft. What are the chances? I don’t know, but it’s certainly possible. If they get a really good to great offer, I said I see trading back but you need to get great value from that pick one way or another. I thought your point was Darrisaw is a stud OT and great value? There are 32 teams, 32 draft boards that all value players differently. Value is a relative term to how you rank players and what makes the NFL draft so fun is how different that is for every team. The 49ers might like Mac Jones at #3, other teams might not think he's a first round guy. For me I don't see Darrisaw as this great value pick at 15. If you do that's fine. Yet you scare the hell out of me with Darrisaw because you've mentioned picking him at 15 as much as any player, yet you never seem to fully commit to him. It's if the Patriots pick him, they do rather well pick OTs, etc crap. If you love him, pound the table and stand up for your guy. My stance hasn't changed for a crazy long time. Doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just not picking Darrisaw at 15, that's not great value to me. I see him as a similar value to many players that you could get later in the first round. I'd rather trade up or trade down if no players fall. I have no doubt in my mind that you can get a good to great trade offer at 15. It's kinda the spot where depending how you rank guys there's a cliff in my opinion. I think I posted a mock draft a while back that had Darrisaw in that spot and used it to talk tackles in general. I’ve never mentioned him again to my knowledge. Point is and always has been I want them picking a player who they feel is a top player at his position in the NFL if they are picking at 15. I don’t care what that position is. They need to maximize it with a great player not a merely good one. I certainly prefer if it’s a LB, CB, WR or DL over an OT, but if they don’t have those grades on guys at those positions and they do for a tackle, I hope they take the tackle. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2021 15:05:08 GMT -5
Justin Fields has epilepsy. Diagnosed years ago, under control with meds, doctors believe he will grow out of it the same as other family members have. And yet, we know how this stuff flies on Draft Day. We'll see if it affects his stock I guess. No word on if any teammates came to his birthday party. Belichick leaking this info is smart - should have waiter another week tho |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 21, 2021 15:36:49 GMT -5
Going to be interesting if San Fran gets stuck with Jimmy or is forced to trade him for pennies because they don’t want to pay a guy 24m to mentor the next guy. It is a brutal use of cap space.
One guy I do think is legit is Mac Jones, i don’t think he’s a JAG. I won’t say where he will fall in this class, because maybe it’s a stud class, but I think Jones is a future top 10 QB in the league.
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Post by cdj on Apr 21, 2021 16:13:51 GMT -5
Going to be interesting if San Fran gets stuck with Jimmy or is forced to trade him for pennies because they don’t want to pay a guy 24m to mentor the next guy. It is a brutal use of cap space. One guy I do think is legit is Mac Jones, i don’t think he’s a JAG. I won’t say where he will fall in this class, because maybe it’s a stud class, but I think Jones is a future top 10 QB in the league. NFL coaches have to love the fact that Alabama basically had him teach BOB the playbook. Football IQ is through the roof. I think he’s my #4 QB |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2021 18:01:57 GMT -5
I thought your point was Darrisaw is a stud OT and great value? There are 32 teams, 32 draft boards that all value players differently. Value is a relative term to how you rank players and what makes the NFL draft so fun is how different that is for every team. The 49ers might like Mac Jones at #3, other teams might not think he's a first round guy. For me I don't see Darrisaw as this great value pick at 15. If you do that's fine. Yet you scare the hell out of me with Darrisaw because you've mentioned picking him at 15 as much as any player, yet you never seem to fully commit to him. It's if the Patriots pick him, they do rather well pick OTs, etc crap. If you love him, pound the table and stand up for your guy. My stance hasn't changed for a crazy long time. Doesn't mean I'm right, I'm just not picking Darrisaw at 15, that's not great value to me. I see him as a similar value to many players that you could get later in the first round. I'd rather trade up or trade down if no players fall. I have no doubt in my mind that you can get a good to great trade offer at 15. It's kinda the spot where depending how you rank guys there's a cliff in my opinion. I think I posted a mock draft a while back that had Darrisaw in that spot and used it to talk tackles in general. I’ve never mentioned him again to my knowledge. Point is and always has been I want them picking a player who they feel is a top player at his position in the NFL if they are picking at 15. I don’t care what that position is. They need to maximize it with a great player not a merely good one. I certainly prefer if it’s a LB, CB, WR or DL over an OT, but if they don’t have those grades on guys at those positions and they do for a tackle, I hope they take the tackle. Who are those OTs for you? A lot of people have Slater as an OG in the NFL. If you make the pick you want a top player, yet that's the issue for me those guys only drop to us 40% of the time. I'm also more than fine getting a group of players depending on what you want to do in this draft. What is your group of guys that will be top players? That's a very high bar, yet one I do agree with at pick 15. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 21, 2021 18:03:09 GMT -5
Justin Fields has epilepsy. Diagnosed years ago, under control with meds, doctors believe he will grow out of it the same as other family members have. And yet, we know how this stuff flies on Draft Day. We'll see if it affects his stock I guess. No word on if any teammates came to his birthday party. Well that explains a lot. I'd still take him at 15 all day long. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 22, 2021 5:09:43 GMT -5
I think I posted a mock draft a while back that had Darrisaw in that spot and used it to talk tackles in general. I’ve never mentioned him again to my knowledge. Point is and always has been I want them picking a player who they feel is a top player at his position in the NFL if they are picking at 15. I don’t care what that position is. They need to maximize it with a great player not a merely good one. I certainly prefer if it’s a LB, CB, WR or DL over an OT, but if they don’t have those grades on guys at those positions and they do for a tackle, I hope they take the tackle. Who are those OTs for you? A lot of people have Slater as an OG in the NFL. If you make the pick you want a top player, yet that's the issue for me those guys only drop to us 40% of the time. I'm also more than fine getting a group of players depending on what you want to do in this draft. What is your group of guys that will be top players? That's a very high bar, yet one I do agree with at pick 15. I don’t know man, I’m not an expert at any of this let alone offensive lineman. I do love me some Jaycee Horn, but I can’t guarantee he will be a stud. I do trust the teams evaluations higher in the draft. They do very well outside RBs (Maroney/Michel) and WRs (Harry). That being said, I’d take any of the top 3 receivers. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 23, 2021 7:33:30 GMT -5
My call is that if one of the QBs falls to them or within reach of trading up reasonably then that is what they do. If not they go defense, Micah Parsons preferably, as some guys get overdrafted the D guys will fall. Hightower isn't getting any younger and Parsons is a beast, will likely be a Probowler for a good stretch and in the running for DPY at peak. Hard to pass up a guy like that and BB loves his LBs. He is like White for TB but bigger. I know there are personality issues but he was younger when that stuff went on and the Pats know how to deal with those guys. I would be stoked to get him!!
edit: I would be happy with Kwitty also, 4.52 40 and 36 reps@225, beast with a great back story!! His onfield production isn't what you would expect though.
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Post by texs31 on Apr 23, 2021 13:39:16 GMT -5
Jeremiah saying Pats seem to be doing work on Trask.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2021 14:00:00 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/edge/edge/article/weekly-update/2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-trackerI think that does a great job showing why I'm obsessed with WRs and CBs in this draft. Not only are they both big needs, just look at the athletes. You see why I'm not in love with a guy like Collins at 15 and why I am with Parsons. Parsons is a top 5 athlete in the whole draft, Collins 4.67 is highly disappointing and he of all LBers doesn't do a 3 cone time. Paye also disappoints at only 6'2" and 261, that's a big difference off of my draft magazines 6'3" 275 and 277. That is screaming 4-3 DE or OLB yet I haven't seen anyone say he could be an OLB. One of the more shocking numbers Ben Cleveland a 6'6" OG at 354 ran a 4.85 40. I don't know if it really matters much being a guard. Very few times he'll ever get 40 yards down field. Yet he's just a beast 30 reps and that speed at that size is just eye opening. I also love Ian Book being 211 pounds, that's important for him. That puts him in line with other shorter QBs that have done well in the NFL. Lawrence scares the hell out of me at 6'5" 213 pounds. People wonder how Book will do taking hits, yet he's rather stout for his height, Lawrence is a big time string bean. It was shocking seeing him last year without pads on the sidelines. The Jags better have a great OL.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2021 14:02:06 GMT -5
Jeremiah saying Pats seem to be doing work on Trask. Of course they are, yet we've seen reports linking them to every QB and they should be doing work on every QB. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2021 14:33:49 GMT -5
Who are those OTs for you? A lot of people have Slater as an OG in the NFL. If you make the pick you want a top player, yet that's the issue for me those guys only drop to us 40% of the time. I'm also more than fine getting a group of players depending on what you want to do in this draft. What is your group of guys that will be top players? That's a very high bar, yet one I do agree with at pick 15. I don’t know man, I’m not an expert at any of this let alone offensive lineman. I do love me some Jaycee Horn, but I can’t guarantee he will be a stud. I do trust the teams evaluations higher in the draft. They do very well outside RBs (Maroney/Michel) and WRs (Harry). That being said, I’d take any of the top 3 receivers. Horn is a very safe pick, but yeah that's a problem I have with him also. He's not Surtain and frankly I love Farley, he might have the highest upside. You just can't take him at 15, he just had minor back surgery. It's a good solid safe pick, I just don't know if he's a top player at CB in the NFL or just a good one. I think you're being modest, I mean you put a grade on Mac Jones he's one of the hardest players to grade in the whole draft. How much was him versus how much was the talent around him, three first round WRs, elite OL and RBs. Yeah every QB needs talent, yet no NFL QB will have the talent advantage Jones had at Bama. I can't bring myself to rate him a top ten NFL QB, yet I certainly respect that you went there. OL guys are crazy easy versus Mac Jones. I wish I had workout numbers for the Bama WRs. It's that time of year when I start to doubt picks and look for flaws. Like Chase did workouts and confirmed he's a beast. Henry Ruggs 12th pick last year had a very disappointing rookie season. Jerry Jeudy did better, like lol I forgot about him, it was 4 NFL first round picks at WR for Mac Jones. Yet Jeudy also only caught 46% of his passes, a crazy low number. I am starting to question the Bama WRs because it's a loaded WR class. Not that I don't like them, yet are they really that much better? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2021 15:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 23, 2021 16:51:00 GMT -5
The thing I've noticed from the draft simulators is that the number of picks between their 2nd and 3rd pick is brutal. It could just be me being a complete novice, but it feels like an early 3rd round pick would make a huge difference in how this draft plays out. Them losing that pick for that idiot filming in cincy is big |
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 23, 2021 18:02:42 GMT -5
Deeply moronic trade. Brady got that franchise shook. |
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Post by mobaz on Apr 23, 2021 19:54:45 GMT -5
Deeply moronic trade. Brady got that franchise shook. Agree. They likely end up at $36M for the left side of the OL is. And it cost the value of Pick 37 by Johnson chart or 23 by Stuart chart. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Apr 23, 2021 21:43:27 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/edge/edge/article/weekly-update/2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-trackerI think that does a great job showing why I'm obsessed with WRs and CBs in this draft. Not only are they both big needs, just look at the athletes. You see why I'm not in love with a guy like Collins at 15 and why I am with Parsons. Parsons is a top 5 athlete in the whole draft, Collins 4.67 is highly disappointing and he of all LBers doesn't do a 3 cone time. Paye also disappoints at only 6'2" and 261, that's a big difference off of my draft magazines 6'3" 275 and 277. That is screaming 4-3 DE or OLB yet I haven't seen anyone say he could be an OLB. One of the more shocking numbers Ben Cleveland a 6'6" OG at 354 ran a 4.85 40. I don't know if it really matters much being a guard. Very few times he'll ever get 40 yards down field. Yet he's just a beast 30 reps and that speed at that size is just eye opening. I also love Ian Book being 211 pounds, that's important for him. That puts him in line with other shorter QBs that have done well in the NFL. Lawrence scares the hell out of me at 6'5" 213 pounds. People wonder how Book will do taking hits, yet he's rather stout for his height, Lawrence is a big time string bean. It was shocking seeing him last year without pads on the sidelines. The Jags better have a great OL. Collins at 4.67 is actually good according to the RAS composite speed grade system (his 20 split not so much), you've got to keep in mind he's just under 6'5" and 259lbs. Parsons put up a freakish 40 time for sure, as far as speed goes Collins can't compete and Parsons is certainly the superior athlete overall. Collins doesn't have the sideline to sideline game of Parsons and isn't as good of a pass rusher (who is?), but he's certainly the superior pass defender. I definitely prefer Parsons, but he might not be viewed as a culture fit. Collins at #15 wouldn't be exciting, but if they try to get too cute and trade back I could totally see him being off the board soon after (the Cardinals have been connected to him at #16). I'd be thrilled to get Parsons because that would mean the Patriots feel comfortable with the character concerns, I obviously can't say how legit they are. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 23, 2021 22:54:26 GMT -5
www.nbcsports.com/edge/edge/article/weekly-update/2021-nfl-draft-pro-day-trackerI think that does a great job showing why I'm obsessed with WRs and CBs in this draft. Not only are they both big needs, just look at the athletes. You see why I'm not in love with a guy like Collins at 15 and why I am with Parsons. Parsons is a top 5 athlete in the whole draft, Collins 4.67 is highly disappointing and he of all LBers doesn't do a 3 cone time. Paye also disappoints at only 6'2" and 261, that's a big difference off of my draft magazines 6'3" 275 and 277. That is screaming 4-3 DE or OLB yet I haven't seen anyone say he could be an OLB. One of the more shocking numbers Ben Cleveland a 6'6" OG at 354 ran a 4.85 40. I don't know if it really matters much being a guard. Very few times he'll ever get 40 yards down field. Yet he's just a beast 30 reps and that speed at that size is just eye opening. I also love Ian Book being 211 pounds, that's important for him. That puts him in line with other shorter QBs that have done well in the NFL. Lawrence scares the hell out of me at 6'5" 213 pounds. People wonder how Book will do taking hits, yet he's rather stout for his height, Lawrence is a big time string bean. It was shocking seeing him last year without pads on the sidelines. The Jags better have a great OL. Collins at 4.67 is actually good according to the RAS composite speed grade system (his 20 split not so much), you've got to keep in mind he's just under 6'5" and 259lbs. Parsons put up a freakish 40 time for sure, as far as speed goes Collins can't compete and Parsons is certainly the superior athlete overall. Collins doesn't have the sideline to sideline game of Parsons and isn't as good of a pass rusher (who is?), but he's certainly the superior pass defender. I definitely prefer Parsons, but he might not be viewed as a culture fit. Collins at #15 wouldn't be exciting, but if they try to get too cute and trade back I could totally see him being off the board soon after (the Cardinals have been connected to him at #16). I'd be thrilled to get Parsons because that would mean the Patriots feel comfortable with the character concerns, I obviously can't say how legit they are. What do you see Collins as? It's mixed 3-4/4-3 ILB, 4-3 OLB or 3-4 OLB? Overall his speed isn't horrible, yet it's not close to elite either. This is all context, Collins at 15, when he's slower then both Jamie Collins and Hightower. A bunch of people see his best current skill as pass coverage, yet no 3 cone time. Which scares the crap out me. I like him, just not at 15 and frankly I want a faster guy. I'd rather a smaller LB with sideline to sideline speed. Dylan Moses didn't run, yet was projected in the high 4.4s, Jamin Davis put up massive numbers. Bill has done this complete change on what his 3-4 is for modern day football. I think the final piece is a big time speed guy at ILB. Usually that means smaller, yet Paron's gives you both. Watch Bill take him, he loves big LBers. I just wouldn't do Collins at 15, I'd trade down. If you miss him, I just move onto my other targets. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Apr 23, 2021 23:34:01 GMT -5
What do you see Collins as? It's mixed 3-4/4-3 ILB, 4-3 OLB or 3-4 OLB? Overall his speed isn't horrible, yet it's not close to elite either. This is all context, Collins at 15, when he's slower then both Jamie Collins and Hightower. A bunch of people see his best current skill as pass coverage, yet no 3 cone time. Which scares the crap out me. I like him, just not at 15 and frankly I want a faster guy. I'd rather a smaller LB with sideline to sideline speed. Dylan Moses didn't run, yet was projected in the high 4.4s, Jamin Davis put up massive numbers. Bill has done this complete change on what his 3-4 is for modern day football. I think the final piece is a big time speed guy at ILB. Usually that means smaller, yet Paron's gives you both. Watch Bill take him, he loves big LBers. I just wouldn't do Collins at 15, I'd trade down. If you miss him, I just move onto my other targets. He's different than Hightower but that's probably very similar to his eventual role. Hightower got a 4.62 at his combine, but that's 97.8% at his size so he set a really high standard. With Collins, his coverage grades were so off the charts that even if he's not actually *that* good he's still very likely an asset in that capacity from day one. I've really seen mostly highlights but he flashes in those clips. I think a player like Hightower or Collins will still be utilized by Bill going forward, you can only put so many Adrian Phillips/Kyle Dugger types in the box, and having one big body in the middle helps. The appeal with Collins is to avoid Belichick plugging in more Elandon Roberts/Bentley types in that role once Hightower is gone. Parsons would be a bit limited by that role given his skill set, I see Parsons fit being closer to a mix of roles held by Jamie Collins and Van Noy depending on the situation. Hopefully he'll be rushing off the edge in most passing situations, he's just too good not to. Of course, Hightower could rush/blitz too and so can Zaven, just not at the level of Parsons. Collins is not one of my top 15 prospects, but he's top 22, and a couple others probably aren't ideal system fits. Collins wouldn't be a favorite pick at #15, but there are worse possibilities in that range imo. I'm cool with trading back assuming they get value. Parsons would be a home run if they've cleared his character concerns, but ultimately I think he'll be off the board by #15. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 24, 2021 5:20:37 GMT -5
Deeply moronic trade. Brady got that franchise shook. Not a big deal, young cheap players aren’t all that important once your QB starts making $40m+ per year |
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