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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Jul 6, 2021 13:49:09 GMT -5
N'Keal Harry's agent just requested a trade for his client. What a nightmare. He was so good his sophomore year, but his Jr year felt a little bit like a letdown (even though it matched up well statistically). AJ Brown had a similar Sophomore year and then busted further in his Jr year before the draft, even with DK next to him for part of the year. Harry is 6 months younger. Asking out after doing nothing to-date while the #2 or #1 WR slot is sitting there for the taking with a strong program and offensive mind... Let's just say this reflects on one guy only. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 6, 2021 18:30:15 GMT -5
Is this Harry or his agent?
I'd actually get it if we didn't draft Mac Jones. If he won't try to form chemistry and give a new QB a chance he's getting bad advice. Not many teams have a worse WR core than the Patriots. It's not like he's burried on our depth chart with no chance of getting playing time.
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Post by sportshubby on Jul 6, 2021 18:41:25 GMT -5
N'Keal Harry's agent just requested a trade for his client. Not a huge blow in terms of roster construction from my standpoint. He was borderline on my projection. But being so public doesn't help recoup value in trade. At this point, it might be a conditional 7th kind of trade or pick swap. |
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Post by philarhody on Jul 6, 2021 21:11:26 GMT -5
Kid doesn’t want to compete. Probably means he’s a bust.
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Jul 6, 2021 21:35:19 GMT -5
He = bum
Could see him being a decent red zone target elsewhere though
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2021 5:31:33 GMT -5
I don’t know, I think you all are being a bit harsh with Harry here. It was unfortunate he got injured his rookie year and missed all that time. Then he played last year with basically no other receivers on the roster and the team barely used him. He’s your first round pick, you should be trying to force feed him in a situation like last year, yet he’s barely even targeted. Now this year, you are in your 3rd year and buried on the receiver depth chart (at best 4th so you aren’t seeing the field if the rest are healthy). Then if you do move up, it’s a run heavy team that’s going to focus a lot on passing to backs and tight ends. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out there’s not a ton of opportunity here for him. He’s in his 3rd year. He’s fighting for his career. Wouldn’t you want to do that in a more wide receiver friendly system, like perhaps a west coast offense that opens it up more and uses more receivers?
Also, worth noting that he did nothing but work hard and say the right things the entire time he’s been here. Never once made a ripple about his usage or playing time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 7, 2021 6:42:16 GMT -5
I see a guy who was handed the #2 WR spot, our #1 went down with injury. He then let two players pass him on the depth chart with his play. All while his agent is blaming the QB. The QB wasn't great, yet Meyers and Byrd also outplayed Harry. Harry had the lowest catch rate and yards per catch among those three. No one that watched the games thought he was better.
So in my book the team tried to force feed him for a couple games, it just didn't work. He got outplayed by a basically minimum priced veteran and an undrafted free agent.
This isn't a bad thing if Tre Nixon can step up, he's a better fit as a second deep threat.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 7, 2021 8:24:40 GMT -5
I see a guy who was handed the #2 WR spot, our #1 went down with injury. He then let two players pass him on the depth chart with his play. All while his agent is blaming the QB. The QB wasn't great, yet Meyers and Byrd also outplayed Harry. Harry had the lowest catch rate and yards per catch among those three. No one that watched the games thought he was better. So in my book the team tried to force feed him for a couple games, it just didn't work. He got outplayed by a basically minimum priced veteran and an undrafted free agent. This isn't a bad thing if Tre Nixon can step up, he's a better fit as a second deep threat. I don’t have a problem with this take. I have issue with the character attacks though. |
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Post by costpet on Jul 7, 2021 9:52:43 GMT -5
I read that he was only open 25% of the time when one on one with a DB. That ranks 99th out of 100 receivers in the NFL. Let's just say he wasn't very good and we won't miss him. Anything we can get in a trade or draft choice is a plus.
Maybe he'll shine somewhere else. That's up to him.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 7, 2021 20:22:45 GMT -5
I read that he was only open 25% of the time when one on one with a DB. That ranks 99th out of 100 receivers in the NFL. Let's just say he wasn't very good and we won't miss him. Anything we can get in a trade or draft choice is a plus. Maybe he'll shine somewhere else. That's up to him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 22, 2021 4:15:45 GMT -5
The Patriots placed rookies Rhamondre Stevenson, Cameron McGrone, and Joshuah Bledsoe on the non-football injury list. This designation means the players are not eligible to practice until their removal from the list….Given their “Active” designation, all three players are eligible to come off the list at any time. www.patspulpit.com/2021/7/21/22587797/three-patriots-rookies-placed-on-non-football-injury-listThis isn’t all that surprising for McGrone and Bledsoe… if McGrone isn’t on PUP all year, I’ll be surprised. And with roster spots at a premium there’s almost no way Bledsoe makes the 53 so maybe they hold him out a while to get him on the PS. As for Stevenson, I don’t have much of an expectation for him as it’s very common for Patriots backs to not do much their rookie years, unless they are a first round pick. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 23, 2021 12:00:51 GMT -5
Last 10 years Patriots have only taken three RBs if you eliminate the two receiving backs, only Harris didn't play a big role. Ridley played in all 16 games, starting two. If Stevenson isn't ready to play you shouldn't have drafted him. If you want to use a roster space to red shirt a player it should have been a WR. There's no Brady to worry about and frankly they basically split their RBs into groups anyway. Sorry yet I'm still crazy upset over Harris. I can't stop thinking how Bradys last year with that defense goes if you actually play Harris. All those trips to the Red Zone when you couldn't do anything because Michel was clearly not 100%.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 28, 2021 10:22:41 GMT -5
IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER! GET READY FOR THAT 7th RING!!
Random Prediction: Michael Jackson makes the team and one of Gilmore/JC does not break camp with the team (I say JC).
I feel like Dugger might be the most important guy to watch; with Chung gone he has a critical role day 1 and if McCourty is reaching the end of the line he'll need to be HUGE (even though so far he's been a different role). McCourty might be the hardest guy to replace on the D, IMHO, so I'd love to see some of the young guys step up early.
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Post by mobaz on Jul 28, 2021 10:32:53 GMT -5
IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER! GET READY FOR THAT 7th RING!! Random Prediction: Michael Jackson makes the team and one of Gilmore/JC does not break camp with the team (I say JC). I feel like Dugger might be the most important guy to watch; with Chung gone he has a critical role day 1 and if McCourty is reaching the end of the line he'll need to be HUGE (even though so far he's been a different role). McCourty might be the hardest guy to replace on the D, IMHO, so I'd love to see some of the young guys step up early. Nevermind, it's all falling apart. Spencer Rattler/Malik Willis watch begins!! |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 28, 2021 19:26:16 GMT -5
Mac Jones is coming: I don't really care what the final stats were, or any of the stats to be honest with you. If camp stats are your thing, remember what was said about Jarrett Stidham's rookie year stats. All I know is this: there was one quarterback on the field Wednesday that, on a vast majority of his reps, threw with anticipation, timing, touch and accuracy, and that quarterback was first-round pick Mac Jones. And it wasn't really close. Jones had some beautiful timing throws in a practice that dealt mostly with low red zone work and was clearly sort of a refresher on the first day. There was a corner route to Nelson Agholor. There was a throw to Sony Michel in traffic in the middle of the field that had no business being completed. A corner route to Kendrick Bourne was spectacular. A touch pass to Matt LaCosse, another to Marvin Hall, and a ridiculous laser to the back corner of the end zone to Gunner Olszewski. Jones even made N'Keal Harry look good. Cam Newton was fine. He had a couple of nice throws, he also had two interceptions — one off a drop by James White, and another that was just a terrible throw behind Hunter Henry. Much more on all this in a bit. But Day 1 clearly went to Jones and on the scorecard it was a 10-8 round. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/07/28/patriots-camp-report-bedard-mac-jones-strong-start |
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 28, 2021 19:54:26 GMT -5
Wow I was just watching them interview Hunter Henry , he looked like Brady Dobleganger. It blew me away.
I love the fact that ESPN expects nothing from the pats they ranked us 19 I think.
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Post by philarhody on Jul 30, 2021 23:53:57 GMT -5
Mac Jones is coming: I don't really care what the final stats were, or any of the stats to be honest with you. If camp stats are your thing, remember what was said about Jarrett Stidham's rookie year stats. All I know is this: there was one quarterback on the field Wednesday that, on a vast majority of his reps, threw with anticipation, timing, touch and accuracy, and that quarterback was first-round pick Mac Jones. And it wasn't really close. Jones had some beautiful timing throws in a practice that dealt mostly with low red zone work and was clearly sort of a refresher on the first day. There was a corner route to Nelson Agholor. There was a throw to Sony Michel in traffic in the middle of the field that had no business being completed. A corner route to Kendrick Bourne was spectacular. A touch pass to Matt LaCosse, another to Marvin Hall, and a ridiculous laser to the back corner of the end zone to Gunner Olszewski. Jones even made N'Keal Harry look good. Cam Newton was fine. He had a couple of nice throws, he also had two interceptions — one off a drop by James White, and another that was just a terrible throw behind Hunter Henry. Much more on all this in a bit. But Day 1 clearly went to Jones and on the scorecard it was a 10-8 round. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/07/28/patriots-camp-report-bedard-mac-jones-strong-startI completely agree. I wouldn’t be shocked if Belichick is stacking the cards against Mac in practice just to make him compete. Give Newton easy reads, disguise coverages against Mac, that sort of thing. I really like Mac and I hope I’m right about him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 31, 2021 6:01:17 GMT -5
Mac Jones is coming: I don't really care what the final stats were, or any of the stats to be honest with you. If camp stats are your thing, remember what was said about Jarrett Stidham's rookie year stats. All I know is this: there was one quarterback on the field Wednesday that, on a vast majority of his reps, threw with anticipation, timing, touch and accuracy, and that quarterback was first-round pick Mac Jones. And it wasn't really close. Jones had some beautiful timing throws in a practice that dealt mostly with low red zone work and was clearly sort of a refresher on the first day. There was a corner route to Nelson Agholor. There was a throw to Sony Michel in traffic in the middle of the field that had no business being completed. A corner route to Kendrick Bourne was spectacular. A touch pass to Matt LaCosse, another to Marvin Hall, and a ridiculous laser to the back corner of the end zone to Gunner Olszewski. Jones even made N'Keal Harry look good. Cam Newton was fine. He had a couple of nice throws, he also had two interceptions — one off a drop by James White, and another that was just a terrible throw behind Hunter Henry. Much more on all this in a bit. But Day 1 clearly went to Jones and on the scorecard it was a 10-8 round. www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/07/28/patriots-camp-report-bedard-mac-jones-strong-startI completely agree. I wouldn’t be shocked if Belichick is stacking the cards against Mac in practice just to make him compete. Give Newton easy reads, disguise coverages against Mac, that sort of thing. I really like Mac and I hope I’m right about him. Bedard said today that they are having Mac and Cam run the exact same plays. He said the difference is Cam is running it first, with the 1s whereas Mac is going second with the 2s against a defense that just saw the plays. Also, worth nothing he said this isn’t where the evaluations will take place - need to wait for the Pads, joint practices and preseason games. But clearly Mac Jones processing speed and decision making is superior. Which honestly, it better be because we know what Cam is like there. Just listening to the discrepancy in how they answer questions is pretty drastic. Not that that matters on its own, but i think it’s an insight into their understanding of the position. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2021 6:46:55 GMT -5
Stidham is on PUP after having back surgery. Clears up the QB depth chart. Hoyer will be QB3 and they can stash Stidham without using a roster spot. The chances of him being anything around here at this point are basically Nil and now any trade value has likely evaporated
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2021 14:20:45 GMT -5
Stidham is on PUP after having back surgery. Clears up the QB depth chart. Hoyer will be QB3 and they can stash Stidham without using a roster spot. The chances of him being anything around here at this point are basically Nil and now any trade value has likely evaporated If the picture we are getting from camp is correct, that the QB race is that close. Like there's a chance Jones wins, then just go with two guys. Hoyer sucks and was passed by Stidham last year. He makes a ton of sense to have in camp, heck he makes a ton of sense on the practice squad if you can still do that. He makes zero sense on the roster, unless he's QB2 and you dump Newton, which is just wishful thinking. As for Stidham, it's a good thing. See you next year, when you can backup Mac Jones. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2021 16:44:10 GMT -5
Stidham is on PUP after having back surgery. Clears up the QB depth chart. Hoyer will be QB3 and they can stash Stidham without using a roster spot. The chances of him being anything around here at this point are basically Nil and now any trade value has likely evaporated If the picture we are getting from camp is correct, that the QB race is that close. Like there's a chance Jones wins, then just go with two guys. Hoyer sucks and was passed by Stidham last year. He makes a ton of sense to have in camp, heck he makes a ton of sense on the practice squad if you can still do that. He makes zero sense on the roster, unless he's QB2 and you dump Newton, which is just wishful thinking. As for Stidham, it's a good thing. See you next year, when you can backup Mac Jones. I think with COVID and those protocols you are going to see 3 QBs whether we like it or not. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 1, 2021 17:50:52 GMT -5
I’ll understand it but I reserve the right to be angry if Hoyer makes the team over a kid with upside
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2021 18:37:44 GMT -5
6. I can see why the 49ers LOVED Kendrick Bourne and hated to see him go. The guy explodes off the line and he's great the top of the route, making him tough to cover. It feels like he's caught about 35 touchdowns on outs to the sideline so far in camp. Plus, the guy's energy is off the charts. I'm not sure who to even compare him to in that regard www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2021/08/01/NFL-thoughts-patriots-camp-practices |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 6:10:00 GMT -5
Pads go on today - love it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 3, 2021 10:22:56 GMT -5
Random non-Patriots tid-bit…
Since the end of his rookie deal, Kirk Cousins has signed 4 contracts covering 7 years (1st 2 were franchise tags)… he’s received about $194m ALL GUARANTEED. That’s incredible…. He’s the best at signing contracts that there is. So mediocre at QB but an amazing contract getter.
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