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Post by cdj on Jan 27, 2021 10:24:32 GMT -5
I would do all 3 of those trades
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Post by texs31 on Jan 27, 2021 10:43:20 GMT -5
I would do all 3 of those trades TBH, I haven't even spent the time to think much about it (but there is precious little on this roster that I wouldn't conceded to get Watson) but that's not really the point (for me). That his very 1st idea is a 4-WAY deal demonstrates the absurdity of this piece. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 27, 2021 13:07:53 GMT -5
Unless the reports are wrong, I want no part of Watson. I want no part of a young QB that already thinks he should have say in picking his coaches and GM.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 27, 2021 13:36:22 GMT -5
Whether he should/shouldn't have a say is one thing. But if he was TOLD he would have a say and then that didn't happen? I think anyone of us would have a problem if our bosses/companies told us something would happen and then it didn't.
Maybe I misunderstood the initial report but I thought that is what happened.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 27, 2021 13:38:25 GMT -5
Barnwell is about as thoughtful as one can get at ESPN. I enjoy the exercise (which is basically all most of these are). He does an annual "All Trades" mock draft as well, which again is more of a value exercise than a prediction.
I'd also do any of the proposed trades involving the Patriots. Watson has been one of the least controversial or issue-prone players I can think of. If he's this frustrated, I think it's the Texans that's the issue, not him.
I still think Miami or Jets or bust. MAYBE Carolina or Detroit, but I don't think their picks are sweet enough. I like the Cowboys proposal (fast forwards Texans QB room) but I also bet Watson wouldn't want to play for Jerry Jones.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 27, 2021 13:53:00 GMT -5
I don't dislike Barnwell but (IMO) any article that proposes a 4-way trade instantly loses merit. What's the point? We know that if a team that has a QB under contract acquires another, they would like move the original. Why force it into the completely implausible scenario (has a 4-way deal EVER occurred in the NFL)?
It's especially awkward when presenting a ranking of the offers? Is that really the best offer GB would offer? So what's the point?
Maybe it's just presented strangely and I would feel more comfortable with it in a different format.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 27, 2021 14:16:15 GMT -5
Whether he should/shouldn't have a say is one thing. But if he was TOLD he would have a say and then that didn't happen? I think anyone of us would have a problem if our bosses/companies told us something would happen and then it didn't. Maybe I misunderstood the initial report but I thought that is what happened. He was involved. He just didn't like who they picked, he literally is upset because he feels he should have final say in a coach and GM. Now he's talking about trades to teams with black coaches. This feels like a BLM movement, not that the team told him something they didn't do. Unless you think a team told the QB he'd have final say and I don't believe that. |
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Post by texs31 on Jan 27, 2021 14:45:59 GMT -5
That's different than what I thought I remembered reading but I'll defer on that. Still not sure I'd avoid the player with that talent level.
In general, I do NOT believe that a team would give a QB final say. Would it surprise me if an NFL team lied to a player? No. Would it surprise me if a team that, based on other reports (related or not), seems to have created a very dysfunctional hierarchy decides to promise a young player the world to get him to sign on the dotted line? Again, it would not.
I'm not a black man so any discussion on who a black man is going to trust/not trust or what they should/shouldn't believe or do will not come from me.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 27, 2021 18:24:21 GMT -5
That's different than what I thought I remembered reading but I'll defer on that. Still not sure I'd avoid the player with that talent level. In general, I do NOT believe that a team would give a QB final say. Would it surprise me if an NFL team lied to a player? No. Would it surprise me if a team that, based on other reports (related or not), seems to have created a very dysfunctional hierarchy decides to promise a young player the world to get him to sign on the dotted line? Again, it would not. I'm not a black man so any discussion on who a black man is going to trust/not trust or what they should/shouldn't believe or do will not come from me. Can't let the inmates run the prison, right Mr. McNair? It would have caused drama but he would have been better served not signing the fat extension. O'Brian, Easterby and Jr. McNair were all there and all problematic. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 28, 2021 12:41:35 GMT -5
It's official Watson asked for a trade
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Post by costpet on Jan 29, 2021 6:41:58 GMT -5
Watson is the only quarterback worth trading for. The rest that are available will keep you as an average team.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 29, 2021 7:05:24 GMT -5
I could see Watson in San Fran with Jimmy G going to Houston
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Post by costpet on Jan 29, 2021 10:16:00 GMT -5
If they can't get Watson, then draft one in the first round. If no good QB is available when it's their turn to draft, draft a great WR and draft a 2nd tier QB later on. They had Brady, but he had no one to throw to. No QB can do well without some great receivers.
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Post by texs31 on Jan 29, 2021 10:26:52 GMT -5
I'd LOVE to know what BB is thinking right now (wouldn't we ALL).
1. Does he want to get to ONE SB without Brady? Then I could see a move for Stafford and then giving him the pieces to be successful.
2. Does he want to win 1 HIS way? Then maybe getting a veteran and keep building the team the way he has in the past. Defense and value additions at the skill position
3. Does he want to set up the next stretch of extended success? Then he has to find the NEXT guy (not a HOFer mind you but a guy who can help you get to/win a SB).
Of course, he'll probably try and zig when everyone else is zagging and try to fully commit to "power football" to offset the fact that teams are building their D's (not that I actually think this could work but BB trying to be "ahead of the curve" would not be a new concept).
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Post by texs31 on Jan 29, 2021 10:29:37 GMT -5
Also, so many tweets about the Sr Bowl practice would point to Mac Jones ABSOLUTELY being a 1st rounder. So many positive comments about his performance, the way he carried himself, etc. Given the number of teams with a need, I can't help think this will translate to a rise for him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 29, 2021 12:11:23 GMT -5
If I had to guess I say Bill targets a mid tier guy, then drafts a guy while building up the rest of the team. This team isn't a QB away from being a great team.
Now the interesting thing is that mid tier could be rather big depending what happens with other teams.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 29, 2021 15:53:47 GMT -5
I feel like if a player demands a trade they should have to give up their no trade rights,
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Post by mobaz on Jan 29, 2021 18:10:15 GMT -5
I'd LOVE to know what BB is thinking right now (wouldn't we ALL). 1. Does he want to get to ONE SB without Brady? Then I could see a move for Stafford and then giving him the pieces to be successful. 2. Does he want to win 1 HIS way? Then maybe getting a veteran and keep building the team the way he has in the past. Defense and value additions at the skill position 3. Does he want to set up the next stretch of extended success? Then he has to find the NEXT guy (not a HOFer mind you but a guy who can help you get to/win a SB). Of course, he'll probably try and zig when everyone else is zagging and try to fully commit to "power football" to offset the fact that teams are building their D's (not that I actually think this could work but BB trying to be "ahead of the curve" would not be a new concept). Do Cousins, Garropolo or Goff move the needle enough? All have made it to Conf Champ game or better. But med to high $ and can't carry a team. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 30, 2021 1:04:16 GMT -5
I'd LOVE to know what BB is thinking right now (wouldn't we ALL). 1. Does he want to get to ONE SB without Brady? Then I could see a move for Stafford and then giving him the pieces to be successful. 2. Does he want to win 1 HIS way? Then maybe getting a veteran and keep building the team the way he has in the past. Defense and value additions at the skill position 3. Does he want to set up the next stretch of extended success? Then he has to find the NEXT guy (not a HOFer mind you but a guy who can help you get to/win a SB). Of course, he'll probably try and zig when everyone else is zagging and try to fully commit to "power football" to offset the fact that teams are building their D's (not that I actually think this could work but BB trying to be "ahead of the curve" would not be a new concept). Do Cousins, Garropolo or Goff move the needle enough? All have made it to Conf Champ game or better. But med to high $ and can't carry a team. How many QBs can carry a team? |
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 30, 2021 7:44:08 GMT -5
If Jimmy G is cut, he will probably be back here for shortish money.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 30, 2021 8:07:34 GMT -5
If Jimmy G is cut, he will probably be back here for shortish money. Jimmy G. seems like the best play the Patriots could do. Would be pumped to have him back. They need to get him some weapons, however. |
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Post by mobaz on Jan 30, 2021 10:14:02 GMT -5
If SF thinks they can upgrade, Jimmy G is such an easy cut. I worry if he can't thrive in Shanahan's offense he has little hope here. But you now have options with pick 15.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 30, 2021 12:55:51 GMT -5
Jimmy G is 24-8 as a starting QB. I don't think the issue is how good he is. It's his durability. He's been knocked out for the season twice with 49ers and was injured after two games with us when Brady was suspended. Just look at the 49ers with Jimmy and without him.
If you can get Jimmy G it's likely the easiest decesion you have all off-season. At the same time you need to get him on a Brady training regiment. You also need an elite offensive line, great running game, everything you can to limit his hits.
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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2021 15:33:01 GMT -5
Better upgrade on Stidham as backup if you sign Jimmy G, chances are you’re gonna be using the backup at some point
I do like the idea of bringing Jimmy back though
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Post by texs31 on Jan 30, 2021 20:10:25 GMT -5
FWIW Adam Kaplan said on CBS Radio that he heard from 2 HOU Coach candidates who were told by the Texans that Watson would absolutely be involved in the process and to expect that he could be in on the interviews.
When the interviews happened, no Watson.
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