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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by texs31 on Jan 30, 2021 22:05:27 GMT -5
Stafford to Rams for Goff and future 1sts.
EDIT Good for NE in that it takes Detroit out of the QB draft market.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 30, 2021 22:18:10 GMT -5
Stafford to Rams for Goff and future 1sts. EDIT Good for NE in that it takes Detroit out of the QB draft market. They got an extra 1st rounder for taking Goff's contract. I don't think they are out of the draft market at all, I think Goff was a negative asset. |
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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2021 22:51:26 GMT -5
I think they viewed that Goff deal as problematic
Which it is, so I get the additional first
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Post by texs31 on Jan 30, 2021 23:39:26 GMT -5
But isnt that contract exactly why you're out of the market?
Hes on your roster and on your cap. Dont you have to try (at least 1 yr) to support him? With multiple WRs, a TE and maybe 2 top OTs plus potentially the 1st or 2nd best D in the draft available when you pick, can you afford to take a QB?
Meanwhile, you'll have multiple 1sts in each of 2 future drafts to do something if Goff really cant turn it around.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 31, 2021 2:42:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it completely takes them out of taking a QB, yet it certainly increases the chances they don't. I wouldn't make that trade if you weren't going to try Goff. Yet who knows and it is the Lions.
It just highlights how stupid the Rams are also. The gurley deal early that ends horribly, now paying an extra first and maybe third to dump Goff who also didn't have to be paid yet. The Gurley, Cooks and Goff contracts were a complete mess.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 31, 2021 7:12:44 GMT -5
Some mild talk of Detroit flipping Goff to the Colts.
Agree, UMASS, Rams have made so many decisions that look bad up front and indefensible as time goes on. Having Aaron Donald and Sean McVay seems like enough to cover up a lot them though. And I bet they succeed with Stafford.
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Post by cdj on Jan 31, 2021 11:57:42 GMT -5
Yeah honestly if the Rams don’t get a ring out of Stafford they squandered a pretty wide open window with their terrible long-term personnel decisions
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Post by mobaz on Jan 31, 2021 18:46:22 GMT -5
Stafford to Rams for Goff and future 1sts. EDIT Good for NE in that it takes Detroit out of the QB draft market. They got an extra 1st rounder for taking Goff's contract. I don't think they are out of the draft market at all, I think Goff was a negative asset. Schrags disagrees with me |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 1, 2021 7:04:39 GMT -5
I kinda hate reports like that. Just because multiple teams called doesn't mean he wasn't a throw in or the Lions wanted him. It all depends what those teams were offering. Example Panther offering Teddy Bridgewater, maybe Eagles offering Wentz, is a lot different than teams offering first round picks.
If Goff is a good positive asset, a QB that teams wanted to trade good picks for. Then the Rams gave up two first, a third and insert what Goff's worth? If you like Goff at his age, then what late first/ early 2nd round pick?
Now if you believe that what's Watson worth? Are the Jet's going to give you Darnold and five first round picks? Four first round picks, a couple seconds, Darnold and Mim's? It would have to be a crazy massive never been seen in recent memory type crap if Stafford at his age is worth like three first round picks.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 1, 2021 8:58:20 GMT -5
A different PFF Mock Draft that feels more natural to me than some I've seen: www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-mock-draft-new-york-jets-acquire-deshaun-watson-zach-wilson-lands-with-the-houston-texans-at-no-2-overallT-Law #1, Houston trading Watson to the Jets and picking Wilson #2 Carolina leaping Atlanta for Fields at #3 Lance at 7 to Detroit Pats get Waddle at 15 (YES PLEASE!) Mac Jones goes 19 to WFT 10 years ago (and if there weren't a consensus tippy top pick ahead of him), would Mac Jones have been in consideration for #1? I look at Sam Bradford's college career in an "easy" offensive system, pocket passer, Heisman/Nat Champ game pedigree. Best season was 50 TDs/8INTs, high completion rate, no legs to speak of. Bradford has an inch and 10 lbs on Jones based on the public measurables. Stafford is the other #1 pick I think of, but he had a bigger arm but less college success. |
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Post by costpet on Feb 1, 2021 12:52:04 GMT -5
Reading lately about all the ex pats quotes. BB has one lousy year and everyone is piling on. I think after 20 years, he should get a break. Gave us 9 super bowls and 6 wins. Every franchise in the league would kill for that. If BB was a free agent, would any team reject him? I know he sucks as a GM, but as a coach, he gets the most out of what he has. If he's hard on them, well that's what it takes to win. Remember Lombardi? Nobody ever said he was easy to play for. He was even tougher than Bill. So, if that's what it takes to win, then too bad for the players who would rather just have fun and get paid. And eat popcorn and watch the Super Bowl on TV.
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Post by dangermike on Feb 2, 2021 12:53:57 GMT -5
Reading lately about all the ex pats quotes. BB has one lousy year and everyone is piling on. I think after 20 years, he should get a break. Gave us 9 super bowls and 6 wins. Every franchise in the league would kill for that. If BB was a free agent, would any team reject him? I know he sucks as a GM, but as a coach, he gets the most out of what he has. If he's hard on them, well that's what it takes to win. Remember Lombardi? Nobody ever said he was easy to play for. He was even tougher than Bill. So, if that's what it takes to win, then too bad for the players who would rather just have fun and get paid. And eat popcorn and watch the Super Bowl on TV. GM bill gave us most of those 6 rings... I legit don’t get this GM hate. Name me a more successful franchise in the nfl- you can’t. He obv did a fine job and the division of praise is getting absurd. Bill can coach but not draft ...other than all the good players he’s drafted. Tom is a great qb but can’t do it without bill...other than the part where he’s in the super bowl this year. Again. We drafted and developed the best qb ever. And we did it under, in part at the very least, bill belichick. We will be fine. I’m on board with locking this thread and crossing our fingers til week 1 bc if you don’t trust the pats at this point I don’t trust you. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 2, 2021 14:29:29 GMT -5
I don't get the Bill is a bad GM part. He's certainly had some times were Bill the GM hurts Bill the coach, yet Bill the GM has also been brilliant at times. You could make a case Bill the GM is a HOF GM without his coaching.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 4, 2021 14:35:58 GMT -5
He's not wrong. There are 5 teams with no starting caliber quarterback today (NE/Indy/WFT/Jax/Dallas). There are twelve teams that are already rumored to be seeking to replace their QB this season (Mia, Pitt, NYJ, Phi, SF, LV, Car, Minn, Chi, NO, HOU, Den in my ascending order of how likely they are to replace current starter). The Giants, Falcons and Lions will at least think about it, despite current investment.
So based on all this, there are 5 definite openings, and 20 potential shuffles. There are 5 viable 1st round draft picks and 1 viable FA starter (Prescott). Then 4 other possible starters in FA (Trubisky/Winston/Newton/Brissett), plus whomever gets released in shuffles. The way it works is there are enough players and enough chairs for the Pats to end up with a viable starter no matter what UNLESS the middle tier teams (Pitt/NYJ/NYG/Falcons/Lions/Minn) take a 1st round QB and still keep their current one (a la Rodgers/Love). Last season the Bears, Raiders, Eagles, Dolphins, Saints and Colts all had a possible starter as a backup. So where do we need to go shopping?
Mobaz's QB Tiers
Tier 1: Can def win with
Deshaun Watson
Trevor Lawrence
Dak Prescott
Tier 2: High Ceiling potential cornerstone
Justin Fields
Zach Wilson
Tier 3: Probably good enough
Matt Ryan
Jimmy Garoppolo
Tier 4: MAYBE good enough?
Kirk Cousins
Derek Carr
Jared Goff
Tier 5: High ceiling, low floor
Tua Tagovailoa
Trey Lance
Mac Jones
Sam Darnold
Daniel Jones
Tier 6: Maybe Cooked
Carson Wentz
Teddy Bridgewater
Ben Roethlisberger
Mitch Trubisky
Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Cam Newton
Also Exist:
Nick Foles
Jacoby Brissett
Drew Lock
Taysom Hill
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Gardner Minshew
After all that, I'd only feel good about the Patriots next year if they stay in the range of Mac Jones or Above.
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Post by costpet on Feb 5, 2021 10:23:13 GMT -5
I wonder what it would take to get Prescott. I doubt it would be as insane to get Watson. I have a feeling that Watson is not going anywhere. The price is way too high considering what Houston would want plus his enormous contract the new team would have to pay. Kraft and Jones could make a deal they could both live with.
The next Brady is not out there and probably never will be.
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Post by cdj on Feb 5, 2021 13:35:25 GMT -5
40+ million dollars per year is what it would take I reckon
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 7, 2021 15:13:17 GMT -5
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Feb 7, 2021 22:08:33 GMT -5
And another superbowl for Brady...
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Post by cdj on Feb 7, 2021 23:22:52 GMT -5
Brady is absurd
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Post by congusgambler33 on Feb 7, 2021 23:40:15 GMT -5
Lavonte David is a free agent. I would love to see the Pats pick him up. He may be resigned though, but if not, he would be a welcome addition to the linebacker core.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2021 7:05:08 GMT -5
Brady is a dynasty killer and he may have just killed another.
Depending on the cap number the Chiefs are anywhere from 17-22m over the Cap next season. And that’s without a few solid names on their roster due to being pending free agents:
*Sammy Watkins - wr
Demarcus Robinson - wr
Darrell Williams - rb
*Austin Reitler - c
*Kelechi Osemele - G (he’s been out most of the year but still a key guy as one of their few really good linemen)
*Mike Remmers (T)
*TANOH KPASSAGNON. (DE)
Alex Okafor (DE)
*Daniel Sorensen (S)
*Bashaud Breelan (CB)
*indicates a starter
There are other key backups especially on defense and they have a Juan Thornhill ready to step in for Sorensen and most importantly they should have an easier time filling in with cheap veterans looking for a ring. So all is obviously, not lost but they are going to get hit but Mahomes contract combined with a flat(er) cap the next couple seasons which is really going to make it tough on them. In other words the honeymoon is over. Are we about to see a Russell Wilson career from Mahomes?
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Post by mobaz on Feb 8, 2021 8:31:24 GMT -5
I expect the Chiefs to use another high draft pick on a WR. They seem one body short; Watkins/Hardman/Robinson don't move the needle one iota, and I wouldn't call their RBs a threat even though CEH was decent out of the backfield. Still should be some good options at 63, but WR has been like 50-50 the past few years (Hardman one of five busts right around him, compared to AJ Brown/DK/McLaurin in the same range). Then can use FA for other needs.
But with the Reid family coaching situation, the defense exposed, and the offense fallible, not looking nearly as bright as we thought 2 weeks ago.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2021 9:11:12 GMT -5
I expect the Chiefs to use another high draft pick on a WR. They seem one body short; Watkins/Hardman/Robinson don't move the needle one iota, and I wouldn't call their RBs a threat even though CEH was decent out of the backfield. Still should be some good options at 63, but WR has been like 50-50 the past few years (Hardman one of five busts right around him, compared to AJ Brown/DK/McLaurin in the same range). Then can use FA for other needs. But with the Reid family coaching situation, the defense exposed, and the offense fallible, not looking nearly as bright as we thought 2 weeks ago. They probably should look into using their first round pick on an offensive lineman and maybe their second as well. Give Mahomes any semblance of time and he can take solid receivers and elevate them. Robison and Pringle are both free agents - I’d guess Robinson gets more money elsewhere but who knows it will be a weird off-season. We are about to see why Bill spent money on other parts of the roster and not “weapons” for Brady all those years. Also, if Hill/Kelsey + solid filler isn’t enough on the weapons front then I don’t know what to say. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 8, 2021 11:40:09 GMT -5
That game says a lot more about the Bucs than the Chiefs. The Bucs D was unreal. On offense, Evans and Godwin did very little, it was basically Gronk, Brown and the RBs. Nevermind the Chiefs didn't do themselves any favors with penalties. That's just an unreal group of talent that I don't know if I've ever seen before. To have that amount of weapons on offense, while having a defense play like that is unreal.
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Post by cdj on Feb 8, 2021 12:46:13 GMT -5
I don’t see Hardman as a bust personally
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