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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
cdj
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Post by cdj on Feb 8, 2021 12:46:42 GMT -5
That game says a lot more about the Bucs than the Chiefs. The Bucs D was unreal. On offense, Evans and Godwin did very little, it was basically Gronk, Brown and the RBs. Nevermind the Chiefs didn't do themselves any favors with penalties. That's just an unreal group of talent that I don't know if I've ever seen before. To have that amount of weapons on offense, while having a defense play like that is unreal. Exactly Mahomes was pressured more than any QB in the history of the SB. The offense was death by paper cuts. Vintage Brady |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 8, 2021 18:21:08 GMT -5
Just because players didn’t put up stats doesn’t mean the attention they take from the defense doesn’t make an impact.
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Post by costpet on Feb 8, 2021 19:23:33 GMT -5
Thrilled for Brady. Nobody had a better time than Gronk. I wonder if Brown gets his head straight. What a defense. I've heard the team will be mostly intact next year.
Brady knows how to win, shows how to win, then just wins. Sure he needs great teammates around him. Who doesn't? But, give him a fair chance, and he gets it done. The perfect compliment to a good team.
He still has a lonely naked finger.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 9, 2021 7:59:05 GMT -5
Thrilled for Brady. Nobody had a better time than Gronk. I wonder if Brown gets his head straight. What a defense. I've heard the team will be mostly intact next year. Brady knows how to win, shows how to win, then just wins. Sure he needs great teammates around him. Who doesn't? But, give him a fair chance, and he gets it done. The perfect compliment to a good team. He still has a lonely naked finger. I see no way that team stays mostly intact, way too many big time free agents. Unless everyone takes major team friendly discounts. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 9, 2021 9:19:31 GMT -5
They have a good number of free agents and will lose a couple key guys, but not many, as they have a good amount of cap space. They’ll also load up on the underpriced veterans when money dries up quickly this year.
They’ll probably lose Godwin and maybe David.
They’ll keep guys like: Gronk, AB, Fournette and Suh for pretty cheap and will have plenty of money to resign Barrett if they want.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 9, 2021 11:21:27 GMT -5
They have a good number of free agents and will lose a couple key guys, but not many, as they have a good amount of cap space. They’ll also load up on the underpriced veterans when money dries up quickly this year. They’ll probably lose Godwin and maybe David. They’ll keep guys like: Gronk, AB, Fournette and Suh for pretty cheap and will have plenty of money to resign Barrett if they want. Then you are expecting players to take deals well below their market value. Barrett alone likely gets around 20 million a year. Gronk and Suh made 18 million last year. Godwin is projected to get 15-18 million. David around 11-12 million. I'd peg Fournette around 7 million, yet I could also see more. That's not counting filling out the roster and draft picks. Even AB that doesn't likely have a huge market isn't going to take 1.25 million again. Now they might load up on veterans who want to win, yet that's not going to be easy given the level of the guys they are going to lose. You can't find guys like AB and Fournette to play for peanuts every off-season. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 9, 2021 14:51:14 GMT -5
They have a good number of free agents and will lose a couple key guys, but not many, as they have a good amount of cap space. They’ll also load up on the underpriced veterans when money dries up quickly this year. They’ll probably lose Godwin and maybe David. They’ll keep guys like: Gronk, AB, Fournette and Suh for pretty cheap and will have plenty of money to resign Barrett if they want. Then you are expecting players to take deals well below their market value. Barrett alone likely gets around 20 million a year. Gronk and Suh made 18 million last year. Godwin is projected to get 15-18 million. David around 11-12 million. I'd peg Fournette around 7 million, yet I could also see more. That's not counting filling out the roster and draft picks. Even AB that doesn't likely have a huge market isn't going to take 1.25 million again. Now they might load up on veterans who want to win, yet that's not going to be easy given the level of the guys they are going to lose. You can't find guys like AB and Fournette to play for peanuts every off-season. Yea they will likely loss Godwin and David like i said. Fournette is going to make 7m per year? That would make him the 11th highest paid back. He might get in the 3-4m range. He had a great playoff - wasn’t anything special in the regular season. Gronk won’t play for another QB so he’s either in Tampa or retired. Suh is 35 - he’s not getting big money... he may be close to the 8m again. Barrett is the big money guy but you can make that first year very manageable cap wise - the hit wouldn’t be close to 20m. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 9, 2021 16:07:02 GMT -5
Then you are expecting players to take deals well below their market value. Barrett alone likely gets around 20 million a year. Gronk and Suh made 18 million last year. Godwin is projected to get 15-18 million. David around 11-12 million. I'd peg Fournette around 7 million, yet I could also see more. That's not counting filling out the roster and draft picks. Even AB that doesn't likely have a huge market isn't going to take 1.25 million again. Now they might load up on veterans who want to win, yet that's not going to be easy given the level of the guys they are going to lose. You can't find guys like AB and Fournette to play for peanuts every off-season. Yea they will likely loss Godwin and David like i said. Fournette is going to make 7m per year? That would make him the 11th highest paid back. He might get in the 3-4m range. He had a great playoff - wasn’t anything special in the regular season. Gronk won’t play for another QB so he’s either in Tampa or retired. Suh is 35 - he’s not getting big money... he may be close to the 8m again. Barrett is the big money guy but you can make that first year very manageable cap wise - the hit wouldn’t be close to 20m. Sportrac has him at $8.1 million per year for a contract estimate on a four year deal. That doesn't seem crazy at all. He's a heck of a RB, he just had the most yards for the Super Bowl winning team. 2019 he had 1,674 total yards. The fact he didn't play a ton just shows how damn deep the Bucs were. Just do the math, 38 million is really about 30 million after draft picks and filling out the roster. There is no way unless they all take below market deals. I think Suh at 8 million makes sense, say Gronk at 8 million, AB at 5 million. You run out of money fast. That's only if these guys don't jump at bigger deals. Which could happen with everyone but Gronk and AB. As Darrell Revis said, I got my ring, now pay me. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 9, 2021 16:36:12 GMT -5
Yea they will likely loss Godwin and David like i said. Fournette is going to make 7m per year? That would make him the 11th highest paid back. He might get in the 3-4m range. He had a great playoff - wasn’t anything special in the regular season. Gronk won’t play for another QB so he’s either in Tampa or retired. Suh is 35 - he’s not getting big money... he may be close to the 8m again. Barrett is the big money guy but you can make that first year very manageable cap wise - the hit wouldn’t be close to 20m. Sportrac has him at $8.1 million per year for a contract estimate on a four year deal. That doesn't seem crazy at all. He's a heck of a RB, he just had the most yards for the Super Bowl winning team. 2019 he had 1,674 total yards. The fact he didn't play a ton just shows how damn deep the Bucs were. Just do the math, 38 million is really about 30 million after draft picks and filling out the roster. There is no way unless they all take below market deals. I think Suh at 8 million makes sense, say Gronk at 8 million, AB at 5 million. You run out of money fast. That's only if these guys don't jump at bigger deals. Which could happen with everyone but Gronk and AB. As Darrell Revis said, I got my ring, now pay me. For Fournette I wouldn't rule out anything I guess but looking at the teams with the most cap space. Jags, Jets, Colts, Pats, Bengals and Bucs are top six according to Sportrac. Jags obviously aren't going to be in the market, nor can I see Colts, Pats or Bengals. Jets could use a guy like him but after the Bell debacle who knows if they'd want to shell out big bucks to an RB. It comes down to the guaranteed money with him I think. Suh has made good money in his career, maybe he wants to run it back and takes a team friendly deal but maybe not. Gronk and AB are both either playing for the Bucs or probably nowhere. AB without Brady around to keep him in check is not a risk I see any team wanting to take on. Mike Evans has said he is willing to restructure to get them some more money, Brady will probably look to get himself an extension but one that is helpful to both the team and himself to keep the team around. Barrett is really the only must sign on their team I would say. David while good is still an off ball linebacker and they have Devin White who is probably better or going to be better anyway. Godwin I don't think would be that big of a loss for them. They will still have Evans, AB, Scotty Miller and Tyler Johnson. Either way with the salary cap dropping a bit and so many teams either over or right at the cap it will be an interesting offseason. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 10, 2021 13:26:24 GMT -5
Sportrac has him at $8.1 million per year for a contract estimate on a four year deal. That doesn't seem crazy at all. He's a heck of a RB, he just had the most yards for the Super Bowl winning team. 2019 he had 1,674 total yards. The fact he didn't play a ton just shows how damn deep the Bucs were. Just do the math, 38 million is really about 30 million after draft picks and filling out the roster. There is no way unless they all take below market deals. I think Suh at 8 million makes sense, say Gronk at 8 million, AB at 5 million. You run out of money fast. That's only if these guys don't jump at bigger deals. Which could happen with everyone but Gronk and AB. As Darrell Revis said, I got my ring, now pay me. For Fournette I wouldn't rule out anything I guess but looking at the teams with the most cap space. Jags, Jets, Colts, Pats, Bengals and Bucs are top six according to Sportrac. Jags obviously aren't going to be in the market, nor can I see Colts, Pats or Bengals. Jets could use a guy like him but after the Bell debacle who knows if they'd want to shell out big bucks to an RB. It comes down to the guaranteed money with him I think. Suh has made good money in his career, maybe he wants to run it back and takes a team friendly deal but maybe not. Gronk and AB are both either playing for the Bucs or probably nowhere. AB without Brady around to keep him in check is not a risk I see any team wanting to take on. Mike Evans has said he is willing to restructure to get them some more money, Brady will probably look to get himself an extension but one that is helpful to both the team and himself to keep the team around. Barrett is really the only must sign on their team I would say. David while good is still an off ball linebacker and they have Devin White who is probably better or going to be better anyway. Godwin I don't think would be that big of a loss for them. They will still have Evans, AB, Scotty Miller and Tyler Johnson. Either way with the salary cap dropping a bit and so many teams either over or right at the cap it will be an interesting offseason. I think Godwin would be a massive loss, I'd trade Evans and resign Godwin. Brady hates players like Evans and they clashed all season because he doesn't run good routes. Brady loves guys like Godwin and without him your counting on AB staying out of trouble. I wouldn't want to do that. |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 10, 2021 15:36:24 GMT -5
I think the Concussion Water just wore off . . .
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Post by texs31 on Feb 10, 2021 17:09:13 GMT -5
Evan Lazar threw up some tape of Tulsa LB Zaven Collins and says his is a name we need to know. Says profiles "screams of NE" and "Was made to play for BB".
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Post by costpet on Feb 11, 2021 8:52:35 GMT -5
Gronk says Brady drinks too much.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 11, 2021 9:41:28 GMT -5
Brugler Mock 3.0 has Micah Parsons at 15 for the Pats (not the first that has shown him falling that far. I find it so unlikely).
Wilson at 2 to NYJ
Fields at 3 to the Panthers (trade)
Lance at 7 to WFT (trade)
Jones at 28 to NO
The Jets shed Sam Darnold to the 49ers for a pick swap (jumping to 12 from 23) and get a '22 2nd rounder. That seems like a lot for Darnold. All of Brugler's trade-ups seem light to me, but they line up okay with Rich Hill's value chart.
If the Pats got Jimmy G and then Parsons, that's a team I could start to get around. FA WR, use a 2/3rd on an upside WR, bring back Andrews. Biggest holes would be DL, TE and one OL starter.
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Feb 11, 2021 9:59:20 GMT -5
Gronk says Brady drinks too much. All that booze is fine but tomatoes are poison  |
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 11, 2021 13:02:35 GMT -5
$8 a year for Fournette is loony toons but people give out dumb contracts all the time so maybe you are right. The guy was literally cut - no one wanted him and signed for a minimum contract. He had 367 yards rushing and 600 scrimmage yards last year in 13 games. So I guess if you’re going to pay a guy because of 4 games then go for it. He’s averaged under 4 yards a carry in 3 of his 4 years. Has no one learned anything when it comes to running backs?
Trading Mike Evan’s doesn’t make sense: Evans cap hit is 16.6m next year and trading him gives you 13.1m in dead money. You free up less than 3.5m.
The Bucs are in pretty good shape with guys they can create more space with.
Gholston has no dead money on his 5.5m deal.
OJ Howard has no dead money on his 6m deal. He didn’t even play last year - and he holds value - they could deal him for a pick and free up cash if they wanted.
Donovan Smith and Ryan Jensen are both in the last years of their deals with no dead money - could extend them and lower cap hits.
The Bucs are clearly in win now mode with Brady or should be. They have a bunch of ways to move money and free up cap space if needed. They don’t even need to be reckless about it.
They clearly won’t keep everyone but people act like the team has to be drastically different. It doesn’t - they are set up pretty nicely to return another stacked team. Godwin will be a big loss but they can absorb it assuming the younger receivers continue their development.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 11, 2021 13:07:29 GMT -5
Brugler Mock 3.0 has Micah Parsons at 15 for the Pats (not the first that has shown him falling that far. I find it so unlikely). Wilson at 2 to NYJ Fields at 3 to the Panthers (trade) Lance at 7 to WFT (trade) Jones at 28 to NO The Jets shed Sam Darnold to the 49ers for a pick swap (jumping to 12 from 23) and get a '22 2nd rounder. That seems like a lot for Darnold. All of Brugler's trade-ups seem light to me, but they line up okay with Rich Hill's value chart. If the Pats got Jimmy G and then Parsons, that's a team I could start to get around. FA WR, use a 2/3rd on an upside WR, bring back Andrews. Biggest holes would be DL, TE and one OL starter. I’m going to likely stay out of draft analysis this year. There’s a lot of ways they could go with their first pick though. Parsons is a stud but I can also see them drafting a tackle, a corner back or WR as well as a QB. People will go nuts if they take a corner or tackle but I think they are real needs for the team and if top ones drop because of QBs and WRs being taken then it could be a great way to go. |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 12, 2021 9:54:06 GMT -5
J.J. Watt is available as he's just been released by Houston. He's probably going to be interested in chasing a ring in TB, though.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 12, 2021 10:41:36 GMT -5
J.J. Watt is available as he's just been released by Houston. He's probably going to be interested in chasing a ring in TB, though. Green Bay is my guess - Wisconsin roots - still goes back there |
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Post by cdj on Feb 13, 2021 2:07:33 GMT -5
Belichick is totally gonna bring Alejandro Villanueva to play LT for a year or two, isn’t he?
Villanueva, Wynn, retain Andrews, Mason, Onwenu isn’t a bad line
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Post by cdj on Feb 15, 2021 22:00:22 GMT -5
RIP Vincent Jackson. Way too young
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 18, 2021 13:58:33 GMT -5
Wentz traded for a bag of peanuts... my god
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 18, 2021 14:37:46 GMT -5
Makes it better for us, then the Eagles keeping both. 2021 third, 2022 second that can become a first if he plays 75% of the snaps.
I never thought Wentz was the MVP type QB some did, yet at that price point I would have been interested.
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Post by cdj on Feb 19, 2021 1:53:41 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 19, 2021 10:16:10 GMT -5
Makes it better for us, then the Eagles keeping both. 2021 third, 2022 second that can become a first if he plays 75% of the snaps. I never thought Wentz was the MVP type QB some did, yet at that price point I would have been interested. The way he was playing in the 2017 season, I did. The guy was executing and making amazing plays from nothing. I actually saw a few games that year and was incredibly impressed. It seems as though something has changed and maybe he got too cocky and/or too offended by the Hurts pick. If reports are accurate, which you have to think they are, considering the lack of interest in him, he’s a serious problem. You can’t have your leader ignoring coaches. Maybe he will mature. |
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