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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 11:05:58 GMT -5
If Bill were doing this, then they could have activated him, forcing him to hold out and get fined. Hmmmm..... ok then what is going on if Gilmore is supposedly healthy? Is he not, I don't think so. You still think they have a deal in place? Why, to what end? To play less and help his career? That isn't going to make him more money being on the pup. I’m not sure what’s going on to be honest but it seems amicable at this point. People are calling him coach Gilmore. This isn’t a player sitting at home pissed off. Bill is letting him get his money and not fining him. It’s odd but not broken. |
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Post by marrcus on Aug 31, 2021 11:07:41 GMT -5
Bill didn't want this. Newton's COVID status wasn't going to work. He almost certainly will flunk another test. If he took shot(s) he'd be starting Sunday week.
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Post by jmei on Aug 31, 2021 11:37:52 GMT -5
To be clear, Cam didn’t test positive. He ran afoul of protocols by going out of state for treatment. But the broader point stands—protocols are much tighter for unvaccinated players, which means more risk of missing practices and games.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 31, 2021 11:41:41 GMT -5
If Mac shows you enough to convince you you’re going to win at the very least as many games as Cam, then it completely makes sense to start Mac and cut Cam to avoid any controversy. Bill doesn’t want that type of crap going on in the locker room. Mac is the future, I was really shocked Cam was cut….for about ten minutes.
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Post by costpet on Aug 31, 2021 11:55:41 GMT -5
From what I've read, Cam was a really good teammate. Maybe the best ever. He didn't show ego at all. His $3 million contract is guaranteed, so he'll be paid. So, I wish him the best as his career comes to an end. It's now Jones Time. That gives him experience in the first few games until he meets Brady on October 3rd. It's going to be weird hoping they both do well. With our defense I think we'll be able to hold Brady down a bit. Maybe, just maybe, Mac gets the win. Ticket prices will look like Super Bowl prices.
I think our running game will really help Mac. Lots of play action stuff to buy time. This will be the most interesting season we've had in a long time.
There's an old saying. You never want to replace a legend. You want to replace the guy who replaced the legend. That would be Mac.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 11:59:18 GMT -5
I think this might be becoming a tit for tat thing. BB says ok you can't practice then the PUP it is and then they will add him or trade him but he won't be getting a raise. BB isn't going for the new hold out scheme that umass thought up. If Bill were doing this, then they could have activated him, forcing him to hold out and get fined. Could he? That's the brilliant play by Gilmore, it was a legit injury that he had surgery for. He's blown past the normal time tables, I'm sure an MRI shows it fully healed. Yet kinda hard to prove if a player claims he's not 100%. He can just claim its still sore or he hasn't got full strength yet and that would be some huge fight to try and prove it. I just don't see how this benefits Gilmore, he comes off as needing 12 months for a 6-8 month injury. Not the best look for a guy wanting a monster deal starting at age 32. I have to think Gilmore was hoping for no PUP, then the Patriots looking weak at CB, then meeting his wants. Yet this isn't surprising, you don't play chicken with Bill. He either comes back and plays under his deal or he won't play this year. I'd also say you could more likely see a trade now, you know how Bill loves to make a point, even if it's stupid and hurts the team. Just look at not playing Butler. Shaun Wade certainly looks like a move made fearing this outcome. Mills goes from sub guy playing everywhere to having to play a ton outside, Wade replaces his slot and safety depth role. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 12:06:43 GMT -5
I love the Cam move, it was my dream all along. Yet damn it looks bad letting Minshew go for a 6th. I certainly get cutting Cam to make it clear to Mac Jones and take away that temptation of switching them if Mac doesn't look good for a stretch. At the same time you now really need another QB until Stidham is healthy, even if it's a practice squad guy.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 12:08:12 GMT -5
If Bill were doing this, then they could have activated him, forcing him to hold out and get fined. Could he? That's the brilliant play by Gilmore, it was a legit injury that he had surgery for. He's blown past the normal time tables, I'm sure an MRI shows it fully healed. Yet kinda hard to prove if a player claims he's not 100%. He can just claim its still sore or he hasn't got full strength yet and that would be some huge fight to try and prove it. I just don't see how this benefits Gilmore, he comes off as needing 12 months for a 6-8 month injury. Not the best look for a guy wanting a monster deal starting at age 32. I have to think Gilmore was hoping for no PUP, then the Patriots looking weak at CB, then meeting his wants. Yet this isn't surprising, you don't play chicken with Bill. He either comes back and plays under his deal or he won't play this year. I'd also say you could more likely see a trade now, you know how Bill loves to make a point, even if it's stupid and hurts the team. Just look at not playing Butler. Shaun Wade certainly looks like a move made fearing this outcome. Mills goes from sub guy playing everywhere to having to play a ton outside, Wade replaces his slot and safety depth role. You just said it’s a brilliant play by Gilmore then talked about how bad it is for him. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 12:10:00 GMT -5
I love the Cam move, it was my dream all along. Yet damn it looks bad letting Minshew go for a 6th. I certainly get cutting Cam to make it clear to Mac Jones and take away that temptation of switching them if Mac doesn't look good for a stretch. At the same time you now really need another QB until Stidham is healthy, even if it's a practice squad guy. I don’t think it was the plan to cut Cam, I think Cam asked for his release. His money is guaranteed and he can’t earn incentives on the bench. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 12:27:23 GMT -5
Could he? That's the brilliant play by Gilmore, it was a legit injury that he had surgery for. He's blown past the normal time tables, I'm sure an MRI shows it fully healed. Yet kinda hard to prove if a player claims he's not 100%. He can just claim its still sore or he hasn't got full strength yet and that would be some huge fight to try and prove it. I just don't see how this benefits Gilmore, he comes off as needing 12 months for a 6-8 month injury. Not the best look for a guy wanting a monster deal starting at age 32. I have to think Gilmore was hoping for no PUP, then the Patriots looking weak at CB, then meeting his wants. Yet this isn't surprising, you don't play chicken with Bill. He either comes back and plays under his deal or he won't play this year. I'd also say you could more likely see a trade now, you know how Bill loves to make a point, even if it's stupid and hurts the team. Just look at not playing Butler. Shaun Wade certainly looks like a move made fearing this outcome. Mills goes from sub guy playing everywhere to having to play a ton outside, Wade replaces his slot and safety depth role. You just said it’s a brilliant play by Gilmore then talked about how bad it is for him. Holding out without being fined was brilliant, it was a common theme this year among players. What Bill did in response isn't good for Gilmore, he took back the leverage. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 12:36:45 GMT -5
I love the Cam move, it was my dream all along. Yet damn it looks bad letting Minshew go for a 6th. I certainly get cutting Cam to make it clear to Mac Jones and take away that temptation of switching them if Mac doesn't look good for a stretch. At the same time you now really need another QB until Stidham is healthy, even if it's a practice squad guy. I don’t think it was the plan to cut Cam, I think Cam asked for his release. His money is guaranteed and he can’t earn incentives on the bench. We'll have to wait and see. If that's true, it will certainly come out and it will come out shortly. He can't just go to another team and start. If true I'd say that’s a bad look for Newton, running away from a rookie. Yet it wouldn't be surprising either. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2021 12:42:32 GMT -5
So Gilmore, Cowart and McGrone have all been put on PUP or NFI. Stidham, Terez Hall and Bledsoe were in Active PUP/NFI so moving them is expected.
That would leave 7 moves before 4PM.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2021 12:43:15 GMT -5
Field Yates offering another surprise as sources say Nordin HAS taken the job from Folk.
EDIT - As Lazar points out, could be an attempt to keep both as Folk wouldn't have to go through waivers to sign to the PS. Nordin would and might not make it with is strong leg.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 13:14:39 GMT -5
I sure hope Wilkerson and Nixon can make the practice squad. I do worry Wilkerson won't make it and he was the best chance to add another guy to stretch the field.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 13:31:09 GMT -5
I don’t think it was the plan to cut Cam, I think Cam asked for his release. His money is guaranteed and he can’t earn incentives on the bench. We'll have to wait and see. If that's true, it will certainly come out and it will come out shortly. He can't just go to another team and start. If true I'd say that’s a bad look for Newton, running away from a rookie. Yet it wouldn't be surprising either. Bedard just said that at this point per his reporting, he doesn’t believe Cam was given the choice to stay. So scratch my previous post. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 13:45:45 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2021 14:16:46 GMT -5
FWIW - Evan Lazar reporting that Brian Hoyer, Cody Davis, Michael Jackson Sr., Anfernee Jennings, James Ferentz, Korey Cunningham, Nick Thurman and Tashawn Bower are all missing from practice.
EDIT - Zack Cox adding Folk, Terez Hall (PUP) and Bledsoe (NFI) to that list.
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2021 14:27:56 GMT -5
Cody Davis would be mildly surprising because of his guarantee but it looks like they chose Brandon King over him. Welcome back King
As for Gilmore I bet this move satisfies both sides to a degree. Gilmore doesn’t have to play the full season on that contract and reduces his injury risk while still getting to showcase his abilities in a favorable situation, Belichick gets him back around the time of year he starts to figure his defense out
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2021 14:31:53 GMT -5
Mark Daniels reporting it's due to an illness not a release.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2021 15:24:47 GMT -5
So there were 50 guys at practice and that didn't include Jennings, Harry, Durant and Davis. That would suggest there is 1 more move to make (Harry and Jennings are likely going to IR tomorrow with Hoyer likely re-signing afterwards).
Can't imagine that Durant is getting done AFTER cutdown (and after the IR moves) as that would impact KC's roster cutdown.
It's possible Jennings is going straight to IR (so he won't be able to return) I suppose.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 16:02:41 GMT -5
Adams getting cut is somewhat of a surprise / didn’t he get $3m guaranteed?
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2021 16:11:12 GMT -5
I love the Cam move, it was my dream all along. Yet damn it looks bad letting Minshew go for a 6th. I certainly get cutting Cam to make it clear to Mac Jones and take away that temptation of switching them if Mac doesn't look good for a stretch. At the same time you now really need another QB until Stidham is healthy, even if it's a practice squad guy. I'm sure they could get Flacco. Not exciting, but better than Hoyer. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 31, 2021 16:31:49 GMT -5
I love the Cam move, it was my dream all along. Yet damn it looks bad letting Minshew go for a 6th. I certainly get cutting Cam to make it clear to Mac Jones and take away that temptation of switching them if Mac doesn't look good for a stretch. At the same time you now really need another QB until Stidham is healthy, even if it's a practice squad guy. I'm sure they could get Flacco. Not exciting, but better than Hoyer. Is he? |
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Post by bigmarty58 on Aug 31, 2021 16:34:29 GMT -5
Another "I'm going to get the team's attention" moment by Bill and Mr. Kraft. Reminiscent of the Malloy and Mankins moves. At the end of the day never expect the expected with BB. I for one love this move even though Mac is going to have his learning moments this season. This move strengthens the team's belief that they work for the best organization in football!
Ps. Wish the Bruins could grow a pair and emulate the Pats...
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 31, 2021 17:18:17 GMT -5
I'm sure they could get Flacco. Not exciting, but better than Hoyer. Is he? He's enough that he'll be employed by the NFL longer than Hoyer. |
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