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Patriots 2021 Offseason Thread
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 31, 2021 17:49:04 GMT -5
Another "I'm going to get the team's attention" moment by Bill and Mr. Kraft. Reminiscent of the Malloy and Mankins moves. At the end of the day never expect the expected with BB. I for one love this move even though Mac is going to have his learning moments this season. This move strengthens the team's belief that they work for the best organization in football! Ps. Wish the Bruins could grow a pair and emulate the Pats... Not sure what the Bruins thought is as they are completely tied to the aging core to make any impact on winning a Cup. For the B's it is what it is, you ride those guys til you can't anymore, not much else they can do before rebuilding. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 31, 2021 17:59:17 GMT -5
So Jennings straight to IR and will miss the season. That makes the Intial 53:
QB - Jones (Hoyer will likely re-sign soon)
RB - Harris, White, Stevenson, Taylor, Bolden
FB - Johnson
TE - Henry, Smith, Asiasi
WR - Meyers, Bourne, Agholor, Olszewski and Harry (likely to IR)
OL - Wynn, Onwenu, Andrews, Mason, Brown, Herron, Karras, Cajuste and Durant
DL - Anderson, Godchaux, Guy, Barmore, Wise and Davis
EDGE - Judon, Van Noy (can lineup off the ball), Uche, Winovich, Perkins
LB - Hightower, Bentley and Langi
CB - Jackson, Mills, Jones, Williams and Wade
S - McCourty, Phillips and Duggar
ST - Bailey, Nordin, Cardona, Slater, Bethel, Davis and King
We'll likely see some additional movement between now and kickoff in a couple of weeks.
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2021 19:46:49 GMT -5
Got potential to be the GOAT kick coverage unit
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 22:30:47 GMT -5
He's enough that he'll be employed by the NFL longer than Hoyer. He's better, Hoyer hasn't been better since 2016. It's really coach Hoyer, yet that's fine. If you are adding a QB Joe Flacco isn't bad if he's willing to teach and embrace the backup position. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2021 22:38:05 GMT -5
He's enough that he'll be employed by the NFL longer than Hoyer. He's better, Hoyer hasn't been better since 2016. It's really coach Hoyer, yet that's fine. If you are adding a QB Joe Flacco isn't bad if he's willing to teach and embrace the backup position. Historically Flacco has not been willing to do that. Kinda strange at this point in his career. Pride is a funny thing I guess I saw or heard Kyle Allen mentioned somewhere as a possibility, I don’t hate it |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 22:57:20 GMT -5
So six guys that are basically special team guys, not including the Kicker,punter and long snapper. For the record I actually like Gunner, he's a playmaking type returner. It's Bill, like every year.
Overall I like it. I like giving Jennings a redshirt year versus trying to sneak him onto the practice squad. You finally have the OL and DL depth you want. Nice weapons and many versatile defensive players. Obviously outside corner is a worry, yet I'm wishing on the stars that Williams steps up and Mills earns his money. Mac Jones makes everything on offense look better. I love going with the big leg rookie, take a chance. If it blows up bring back Folk or another just like him. I'm just ready for some football, Mac Jones time and no Cam Newton.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 31, 2021 23:02:40 GMT -5
He's better, Hoyer hasn't been better since 2016. It's really coach Hoyer, yet that's fine. If you are adding a QB Joe Flacco isn't bad if he's willing to teach and embrace the backup position. Historically Flacco has not been willing to do that. Kinda strange at this point in his career. Pride is a funny thing I guess I saw or heard Kyle Allen mentioned somewhere as a possibility, I don’t hate it That's why I brought that up, he went right after Sam Darnold last year. Now maybe that's what the team wanted with Darnold, I don't want that with Jones. Kyle Allen is so-so, like whatever. If he can help Mac Jones, absolutely. I'm just wondering if it's a 53 type add or a practice squad guy. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 31, 2021 23:36:28 GMT -5
Historically Flacco has not been willing to do that. Kinda strange at this point in his career. Pride is a funny thing I guess I saw or heard Kyle Allen mentioned somewhere as a possibility, I don’t hate it That's why I brought that up, he went right after Sam Darnold last year. Now maybe that's what the team wanted with Darnold, I don't want that with Jones. Kyle Allen is so-so, like whatever. If he can help Mac Jones, absolutely. I'm just wondering if it's a 53 type add or a practice squad guy. He did the same thing with Hurts too I believe. I have zero desire for that as well unless there is full buy-in that he’s a mentor. Some interesting possible PS guys out there too- James Morgan and Will Grier might be my favs of the bunch. They both could turn into ok backups imo |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2021 5:06:03 GMT -5
So six guys that are basically special team guys, not including the Kicker,punter and long snapper. For the record I actually like Gunner, he's a playmaking type returner. It's Bill, like every year. Overall I like it. I like giving Jennings a redshirt year versus trying to sneak him onto the practice squad. You finally have the OL and DL depth you want. Nice weapons and many versatile defensive players. Obviously outside corner is a worry, yet I'm wishing on the stars that Williams steps up and Mills earns his money. Mac Jones makes everything on offense look better. I love going with the big leg rookie, take a chance. If it blows up bring back Folk or another just like him. I'm just ready for some football, Mac Jones time and no Cam Newton. 7… Slater Betel Davis King Bailey Nordin Cardona 8 if we count Gunner…. I won’t and Bolden can actually play running back so that’s fine too It’s the one big criticism, I have with Bill…. Bedard counted 44 punts and kicks to cover last season or 2.2% of the plays… i don’t think that’s completely accurate as my guess is he eliminated fair catch punts - at least some of which are caused by coverage… but the point stands as most of them are not. Keeping King and Davis over guys like Adams and Bryant are highly questionable moves. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2021 5:07:36 GMT -5
Joe Flacco is one of the worst QBs i can think of for this system.
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Post by rminns10 on Sept 1, 2021 6:56:50 GMT -5
Being a special teamer for Belichick is a lifetime appointment.
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Post by cdj on Sept 1, 2021 6:57:06 GMT -5
If the Chargers had the pats special teams last year they’re probably a playoff team, it’s a bigger deal than pats fans like to admit. I watched them cost the chargers multiple football games- I mean you saw them against the Pats. Pats fans complain about the ST-only guys every cutdown day but they love to celebrate extra when the unit is dominating.
Nothing more demoralizing than having a bad coverage unit. Bill talks about complementary football all the time, having good coverage teams wins you games by winning you the battle of field position. That’s extra important with a run heavy team IMO
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Post by costpet on Sept 1, 2021 7:01:48 GMT -5
Read that the Lions cut both their kickers. They might be speed dialing Folk this morning.
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Post by cdj on Sept 1, 2021 7:10:23 GMT -5
Read that the Lions cut both their kickers. They might be speed dialing Folk this morning. I think Joey Slye is out there too |
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Post by philarhody on Sept 1, 2021 7:11:05 GMT -5
That cornerback position is a Jackson/Jones injury away from being a tire fire.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2021 10:21:27 GMT -5
If the Chargers had the pats special teams last year they’re probably a playoff team, it’s a bigger deal than pats fans like to admit. I watched them cost the chargers multiple football games- I mean you saw them against the Pats. Pats fans complain about the ST-only guys every cutdown day but they love to celebrate extra when the unit is dominating. Nothing more demoralizing than having a bad coverage unit. Bill talks about complementary football all the time, having good coverage teams wins you games by winning you the battle of field position. That’s extra important with a run heavy team IMO I understand this and agree to an extent but when you have gunners like bethel and slater, you’re telling me King or Davis can’t be replaced by someone else? Pick one of them and replace the other with a guy who can also help elsewhere. And most of the huge special teams plays, defensively are downing the ball inside the 5, which Davis has 0 to do with. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 1, 2021 10:46:55 GMT -5
If the Chargers had the pats special teams last year they’re probably a playoff team, it’s a bigger deal than pats fans like to admit. I watched them cost the chargers multiple football games- I mean you saw them against the Pats. Pats fans complain about the ST-only guys every cutdown day but they love to celebrate extra when the unit is dominating. Nothing more demoralizing than having a bad coverage unit. Bill talks about complementary football all the time, having good coverage teams wins you games by winning you the battle of field position. That’s extra important with a run heavy team IMO I understand this and agree to an extent but when you have gunners like bethel and slater, you’re telling me King or Davis can’t be replaced by someone else? Pick one of them and replace the other with a guy who can also help elsewhere. And most of the huge special teams plays, defensively are downing the ball inside the 5, which Davis has 0 to do with. Wouldn’t shock me if they don’t view Bethel as a pure ST guy. He looked solid in coverage this summer. Davis may also be looked at as a backup safety, he has played a little back there in the past with the Rams What I mean to say is they may not be looking at it as keeping so many ST-only guys. I think they may actually think those two guys in particular could contribute elsewhere as well |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2021 11:52:33 GMT -5
I understand this and agree to an extent but when you have gunners like bethel and slater, you’re telling me King or Davis can’t be replaced by someone else? Pick one of them and replace the other with a guy who can also help elsewhere. And most of the huge special teams plays, defensively are downing the ball inside the 5, which Davis has 0 to do with. Wouldn’t shock me if they don’t view Bethel as a pure ST guy. He looked solid in coverage this summer. Davis may also be looked at as a backup safety, he has played a little back there in the past with the Rams What I mean to say is they may not be looking at it as keeping so many ST-only guys. I think they may actually think those two guys in particular could contribute elsewhere as well The Bethel thought crossed my mind too but let’s be honest, keeping ST only guys is the norm |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2021 12:03:47 GMT -5
Wilkerson and Murray to PS
Add: Nixon, LaCosse, Bryant and Redmond
Adams sign by Saints… he’s the guy they may regret losing. I can’t believe he had no value as a trade candidate…
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Post by texs31 on Sept 1, 2021 12:06:13 GMT -5
Patriots claimed RB/WR (former Navy QB) Malcolm Perry. Not sure who is displaced.
Meanwhile, none of the Patriots players were claimed so many are starting to sign to the PS, including:
Bryant
Wilkerson
Redmond
Nixon
Lacosse
Murray
Ross
Hoyer
LB Jahlani Tavai (43rd pick in '19 draft from Detroit)
Bower
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Post by texs31 on Sept 1, 2021 12:12:27 GMT -5
Adams getting cut is somewhat of a surprise / didn’t he get $3m guaranteed? Miguel just had a tweet that brought me back to this. Anderson had the 3M guarantee. Adams only has 50K. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 1, 2021 12:17:11 GMT -5
Adams getting cut is somewhat of a surprise / didn’t he get $3m guaranteed? Miguel just had a tweet that brought me back to this. Anderson had the 3M guarantee. Adams only has 50K. Yea, I edited my post after that |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 1, 2021 12:43:54 GMT -5
Hoyer will actually be going to the PS. So Perry is likely going to take Harry's spot.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 1, 2021 13:37:59 GMT -5
So has there been anything definitive said about why Newton was released rather than stick around as the backup? I have many theories, but I just wanted some clarity. (haha, clarity from Belichick)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 1, 2021 14:08:35 GMT -5
A few good special team guys and good coaching gets you a good special team unit when it comes to the few punts and kicks they actually cover. You invest in that many special team only guys and that's what they are. Bolden didn't do anything of offense last year, Bethel had a massive 14 tackles as an emergency depth guy. You would need the best special teams unit the leagues ever seen. In reality they are really just yes sir die hard Bill guys that set a tone and keep the lockeroom good. Still that's a lot of the roster.
Luckily Bill does a great job just stashing guys like Keane and Jennings. While guys like Wilkerson didn't get claimed, so you really can't complain that much. Adams is likely the best player you lost, yet you kept six DL players. That's a high number for the way we play and you got Murray on the Practice squad. I'm not complaining about Davis over Adams. Heck I bet they drop a guy from the DL and OL at some point.
Now I am surprised they didn't add another CB, QB and brought in another RB. Yet Bill likely isn't done and will keep making moves. Shaun Wade was a moster move just for depth and versatility. The OLB depth will allow Van Noy to play a ton of inside LB because you don't want Bentley or Langi playing on passing downs. It looks good now, yet yeah a few injuries to the CB, LB or safeties could become a huge issue. Nevermind if Williams doesn't step up or Mills isn't good.
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