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2021-22 International Signing Period
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Post by vermontsox1 on Apr 20, 2021 8:44:27 GMT -5
Ben Badler released his first rankings (based off of bonus) for the next signing period. None of the 20 players are linked to the Red Sox, so it looks like they probably won't be giving out a Bleis-sized bonus next period. www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2021-22-mlb-international-prospects-big-board/The signing period is technically supposed to start on July 2, 2021 but will probably be pushed to January 15, 2022. There's also a chance we get an international draft, but my guess is that they probably won't have time to implement before the next signing period. Badler expanded this list out to 25 players and still no one tied to the Red Sox. Sounds like another year of spreading out the bonuses.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 5, 2021 9:48:13 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 5, 2021 21:51:39 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on May 6, 2021 12:38:20 GMT -5
Fraymi tiktok video from 2020, showing the D:
https://www.tiktok.com/@benbadler/video/6790429887866916101
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Post by jimoh on May 6, 2021 12:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 1, 2021 9:18:38 GMT -5
Anyone else missing J2?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 25, 2021 19:13:52 GMT -5
Jesse Sanchez (MLB Pipeline) released his top 50 international prospects for the upcoming signing period. Red Sox are linked to three: 19. Freili Encarnacion, SS, DR 34. Johanfran Garcia, C, VZ 50. Fraymi De Leon, SS, DR Red Sox have a bonus pool if $5,179,700 and once again teams will not be able to trade for more space. www.mlb.com/prospects/international/
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 25, 2021 19:16:40 GMT -5
Encarnacion: Garcia: De Leon:
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 25, 2021 21:31:54 GMT -5
Encarnacion: Garcia: De Leon: I love the "Red Sox are the favorite to sign him" like they don't already have a deal in place. Like the year Woj spoiled every NBA draft pick with "The ___ are narrowing in on ____" or variations of that phrase. That all being said, it is international signing and both sides renege on these deals pretty often.
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Post by unitspin on Aug 25, 2021 21:41:39 GMT -5
Kinda hoping for some arms this year. We've had good luck in the past with under 40k bonus' for pitchers. Can we just sign like 50 and maybe two or three hit.
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Post by kingstephanos on Aug 26, 2021 0:15:34 GMT -5
Kinda hoping for some arms this year. We've had good luck in the past with under 40k bonus' for pitchers. Can we just sign like 50 and maybe two or three hit. Where would all those teens play though 😅
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2021 6:14:15 GMT -5
That all being said, it is international signing and both sides renege on these deals pretty often. News to me. Got a link? Not going to say it never happens but that happening "pretty often" doesn't sound right based on what I'm aware of, at least.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 26, 2021 7:04:31 GMT -5
When are we going to splash in on a top international player like we did Moncada?
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 26, 2021 7:16:03 GMT -5
When are we going to splash in on a top international player like we did Moncada? I would expect it to be on a case-by-case basis like all players, but based on the last few years personally I wouldn’t expect it. They’ve been doing, for lack of a better word, quantity over quality and it’s been really working out for them.
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Post by unitspin on Aug 26, 2021 7:50:26 GMT -5
Kinda hoping for some arms this year. We've had good luck in the past with under 40k bonus' for pitchers. Can we just sign like 50 and maybe two or three hit. Where would all those teens play though 😅 Lol maybe i exaggerated a lil bit. Lets start with 25 and see how that works out.
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Post by badfishnbc on Aug 26, 2021 9:31:00 GMT -5
When are we going to splash in on a top international player like we did Moncada? Different times back then. All it took was an open checkbook and a pen to get Moncada, Chapman, Cespedes, Castillo. Now it's tied to your pool, unless they're an older, established brand, of which there seems to be fewer these days.
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 26, 2021 9:33:12 GMT -5
Actually, Moncada was part of the new rules. He cost us the following signing year (and, because they used shenanigans during that year, the following one, too.)
It's tough to complain about the diversification approach, even as we see big splashes by other teams (Dominguez, Wander), and the occasional top bonus kid shoot through the system (Wander, Devers).
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Post by ramireja on Aug 26, 2021 10:39:50 GMT -5
When are we going to splash in on a top international player like we did Moncada? I hate to break it to you, but the top ranked player (currently) for the following 2022-2023 class in Brandon Mayea is also linked to the Yankees. We have this conversation often, and I'm sure we will have it more between now and January, but with the hard cap and no trading, you have to decide between putting most of your eggs in one basket ($3M-$5M bonus for your top player, little to spend elsewhere) or spreading the wealth (multiple picks between $1M-$400K, lots more between $400K-$50K). The Yankees are going with the former approach between Jasson Dominguez and what they have lined up this year and next, whereas we've been doing more of the latter. I can't say I mind honestly, I like seeing us tied to not one but three interesting lottery tickets. Of course, we need to be really patient in evaluating which approach makes the most sense, and in terms of immediate gratification, I get why its more exciting for fans to see their club linked to one of the top 3 or so prospects in the market.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2021 11:19:21 GMT -5
Actually, Moncada was part of the new rules. He cost us the following signing year (and, because they used shenanigans during that year, the following one, too.) It's tough to complain about the diversification approach, even as we see big splashes by other teams (Dominguez, Wander), and the occasional top bonus kid shoot through the system (Wander, Devers). He wasn't under the current system. It's now a hard cap. You literally can't exceed it. To clarify, the rules then were that if you go over, you can't sign guys for more than $300k the next two seasons. the penalty the Red Sox were handed the following year was they lost 5 guys and then couldn't sign anyone at all the following year.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 26, 2021 11:20:35 GMT -5
Appreciate the scouting reports for these guys, but when it comes to accurate reporting, here are my rough tiers of trust:
SP Staff
Any other news/media outlet
The Onion
MLB.com draft/IFA player tool grades
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 26, 2021 11:36:04 GMT -5
MLB.com draft/IFA player tool grades 50 hit, 60 power, good feel for the strike zone, off the charts makeup, probably gonna stick at short and... he almost missed the top 20?
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 26, 2021 13:16:03 GMT -5
That all being said, it is international signing and both sides renege on these deals pretty often. News to me. Got a link? Not going to say it never happens but that happening "pretty often" doesn't sound right based on what I'm aware of, at least. Here's Eric Longenhagen discussing the process: blogs.fangraphs.com/international-player-update/Pretty often is relative (and maybe inaccurate) but it sounds like it's on the radar. Is contextualized in terms of no longer being able to trade for international dollars, so it might not be an issue as teams settle into a new normal but the issue of "pop-up guys" he talks about would still be present.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2021 15:41:22 GMT -5
Isn't that talking about just this year?
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 26, 2021 16:21:21 GMT -5
Isn't that talking about just this year? As the comment had mentioned, its contextualized in last year but some of situations mentioned would come up even without the introduction of a hard cap messing with some plans. Here's another link, this one about how the hard cap is causing younger kids to make deals, which sometimes then get reneged on: www.baseballamerica.com/stories/trainers-mlb-teams-unhappy-with-current-international-signing-system/"It doesn’t always work that way. Some players don’t get better the way a team anticipated, or sometimes a team realizes it just missed the mark in its early evaluation. Other times a player has gotten better and ended up changing his commitment to a new team or renegotiated a bigger bonus with the same club." Obviously, this has more to do with guys younger in age, not ones who'd be reported for this signing window, so it is probably inaccurate to suggest that any of these folks are in danger of not signing. In terms of specifics, I don't know how many pre-cap examples there were, but I remember Jasson Dominguez forced the Yankees to shake up a handshake deal they had with Jhon Diaz and the Rays snuck in. Just spending some time googling, the Yankees backed out of a commitment to Christopher Torres in 2014, but it's a tough thing to google effectively.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 26, 2021 18:50:57 GMT -5
Guess it does happen more often now. Interesting. Although my guess is that part happens before we know about it typically (although obviously not always).
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