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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 20, 2021 13:48:25 GMT -5
For anyone interested in who's available for the rule 5 draft: www.mlb.com/news/rule-5-draft-eligible-prospects-on-40-man-rosterswww.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-40-man-roster-protection-analysis-ahead-of-rule-5-draft/ (pay wall) Scott Manea, C, Astros (Solid D and great eye. .286/.405/.462 slash in 210 PA in AA. Average or weaker tools, with potential to contribute at major league level right away) www.mlb.com/prospects/astros/scott-manea-657672Blake Hunt, C, Rays (High-upside Catching prospect with power and a strong arm. struggled in 2021 across A+ and AA. Defense might be enough to hold a backup catcher spot) www.mlb.com/prospects/rays/blake-hunt-675448Cade McClure, RHP, White Sox (6'7" with solid strikeout stuff. Performed well in AA before struggling at AAA. Possible 2022 long-reliever and long-term starter) www.mlb.com/prospects/whitesox/kade-mcclure-656701Austin Cox, LHP, Royals (Fastball/Changeup/Curveball pitcher who fastball may be plus in short stints. Performed well in AA. Possible 2022 long-reliever and long-term starter) www.mlb.com/prospects/royals/austin-cox-680735Robinson Pina, RHP, Angels (Big-time strikeout numbers. Struggled in short AA stint. Possible 2022 reliever fit) www.mlb.com/prospects/angels/robinson-pina-673820Adrian Hernandez, LHP, Blue Jays (Lights-out in A+ and AA in 2021 - but limited innings. Possible 2022 reliever fit) www.mlb.com/prospects/bluejays/adrian-hernandez-681753With Kory Howell and Alex McKenna available, I don't think Gilberto will get picked. There's a ton of talent available. I was looking at guys who could fill a LH-1B role and a utility infield role and didn't find anyone who would be 2022 ready (good options for the non-contenders to scrape through though). I would be pretty excited if the Red Sox took 1-2 of these guys, even if they had to offer them back when/if they don't stick.
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Post by julyanmorley on Nov 20, 2021 14:01:54 GMT -5
Link here for anyone curious as to who got protected (and who didn't) according to MLB Pipeline's Top 30 lists for each team. Highest ranked position players - Gilberto, Miguel Hiraldo (#6 Toronto, looks like the the infielder version of Gilberto), Carlos Cortes (Mets #10, 24 y/o bat first 2B/OF that hasn't hit much before putting up a AA 800 OPS this year), D'Shawn Knowles (LAA #10, toolsy guy that couldn't hit Low-A)
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 20, 2021 14:15:17 GMT -5
Adrian Hernandez is definitely the prospect I'm hoping for from the above list.
He's the classic undersized (5'10", 168 lbs) pitcher without an impressive fastball (sits 91-93) but who gets dynamic results (A+/AA: 44.2 innings, 17 hits, 14 BB, 71 Ks). His change-up is plus to plus-plus and he's only 21, so there's talent, just not the type of player scouts love as much as stat geeks.
He was signed out of Mexico at 17, so it's likely he didn't get the type of prior training that the US and Dominican players typically get.
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Post by cdj on Nov 20, 2021 14:40:21 GMT -5
Keep picking Yankees, I want Lockridge or Sauer. Jacob Lopez from the Rays too. Keep the pillaging inside the division
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 20, 2021 15:18:51 GMT -5
For anyone interested in who's available for the rule 5 draft: www.mlb.com/news/rule-5-draft-eligible-prospects-on-40-man-rosterswww.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-40-man-roster-protection-analysis-ahead-of-rule-5-draft/ (pay wall) Scott Manea, C, Astros (Solid D and great eye. .286/.405/.462 slash in 210 PA in AA. Average or weaker tools, with potential to contribute at major league level right away) www.mlb.com/prospects/astros/scott-manea-657672Blake Hunt, C, Rays (High-upside Catching prospect with power and a strong arm. struggled in 2021 across A+ and AA. Defense might be enough to hold a backup catcher spot) www.mlb.com/prospects/rays/blake-hunt-675448Cade McClure, RHP, White Sox (6'7" with solid strikeout stuff. Performed well in AA before struggling at AAA. Possible 2022 long-reliever and long-term starter) www.mlb.com/prospects/whitesox/kade-mcclure-656701Austin Cox, LHP, Royals (Fastball/Changeup/Curveball pitcher who fastball may be plus in short stints. Performed well in AA. Possible 2022 long-reliever and long-term starter) www.mlb.com/prospects/royals/austin-cox-680735Robinson Pina, RHP, Angels (Big-time strikeout numbers. Struggled in short AA stint. Possible 2022 reliever fit) www.mlb.com/prospects/angels/robinson-pina-673820Adrian Hernandez, LHP, Blue Jays (Lights-out in A+ and AA in 2021 - but limited innings. Possible 2022 reliever fit) www.mlb.com/prospects/bluejays/adrian-hernandez-681753With Kory Howell and Alex McKenna available, I don't think Gilberto will get picked. There's a ton of talent available. I was looking at guys who could fill a LH-1B role and a utility infield role and didn't find anyone who would be 2022 ready (good options for the non-contenders to scrape through though). I would be pretty excited if the Red Sox took 1-2 of these guys, even if they had to offer them back when/if they don't stick. Interesting names for sure. Hernandez probably doesn't fall to Boston.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 20, 2021 15:34:39 GMT -5
For anyone interested in who's available for the rule 5 draft: www.mlb.com/news/rule-5-draft-eligible-prospects-on-40-man-rosterswww.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-40-man-roster-protection-analysis-ahead-of-rule-5-draft/ (pay wall) Scott Manea, C, Astros (Solid D and great eye. .286/.405/.462 slash in 210 PA in AA. Average or weaker tools, with potential to contribute at major league level right away) www.mlb.com/prospects/astros/scott-manea-657672Blake Hunt, C, Rays (High-upside Catching prospect with power and a strong arm. struggled in 2021 across A+ and AA. Defense might be enough to hold a backup catcher spot) www.mlb.com/prospects/rays/blake-hunt-675448Cade McClure, RHP, White Sox (6'7" with solid strikeout stuff. Performed well in AA before struggling at AAA. Possible 2022 long-reliever and long-term starter) www.mlb.com/prospects/whitesox/kade-mcclure-656701Austin Cox, LHP, Royals (Fastball/Changeup/Curveball pitcher who fastball may be plus in short stints. Performed well in AA. Possible 2022 long-reliever and long-term starter) www.mlb.com/prospects/royals/austin-cox-680735Robinson Pina, RHP, Angels (Big-time strikeout numbers. Struggled in short AA stint. Possible 2022 reliever fit) www.mlb.com/prospects/angels/robinson-pina-673820Adrian Hernandez, LHP, Blue Jays (Lights-out in A+ and AA in 2021 - but limited innings. Possible 2022 reliever fit) www.mlb.com/prospects/bluejays/adrian-hernandez-681753With Kory Howell and Alex McKenna available, I don't think Gilberto will get picked. There's a ton of talent available. I was looking at guys who could fill a LH-1B role and a utility infield role and didn't find anyone who would be 2022 ready (good options for the non-contenders to scrape through though). I would be pretty excited if the Red Sox took 1-2 of these guys, even if they had to offer them back when/if they don't stick. Interesting names for sure. Hernandez probably doesn't fall to Boston. Possibly not - but they can always trade up.
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Post by cdj on Nov 20, 2021 17:19:00 GMT -5
I have a feeling Chaim tries to throw a reliever at the wall here (one that they like more than Feltman)
Cox would be intriguing as the last man in the pen/extra lefty
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 20, 2021 17:54:32 GMT -5
In the search for a guy to platoon a bit with Dalbec, the Cortes kid is interesting. Mashed AA RHP and should be athletic enough to learn 1B... but he's 5'7"... and the expectation is that Casas moves up by the end of the year. He did play 2 games at 1B in Australia last winter but otherwise, he's a LF who the Mets tried at 2B for two years in A-ball before moving him back to the grass full-time in AA. Of course, is that a guy you're willing to endure for a year on the 26-man roster just to get him into your system? Already doesn't hit LHP, so he's got a ceiling of a strong-side platoon in LF or 1B if he can learn to play there well enough to make up for his lack of height. Probably not enough versatility and not as much need at the position(s) he would play.
I'd take a flyer on the southpaw Hernandez. He's prolly got a lot of eyes on him, though. Pitched mostly vs. older hitters last season, pitched mostly in multi-inning appearances, and had 43% K/11.6% BB. His stuff must move like crazy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 20, 2021 19:30:06 GMT -5
Cint Frazier just DFA by the Skankees would be a nice fit here.
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Post by soxaddict on Nov 20, 2021 20:20:22 GMT -5
Agree with cdj, "keep picking Yankees" Brandon Lockridge
B/T: R/R | 6' 1" 185LBS | Age: 24 OF, New York Yankees 2021 A+/AA slash line .328 .382 .557 .940 plus, he can absolutely fly! Baseball SavantJonathan Aranda
B/T: L/R | 5' 10" 173LBS | Age: 23 1B/2B/3B, Tampa Bay Rays 2021 A+/AA slash line .330 .418 .543 .962 Baseball SavantJacob Lopez
B/T: L/L | 6' 4" 220LBS | Age: 23 LHP, Tampa Bay Rays Baseball Savant
Adrian Hernandez
B/T: R/R | 5' 10" 168LBS | Age: 21 LHP, Toronto Blue Jays Baseball Savant
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 20, 2021 20:38:36 GMT -5
I lean towards not taking position players in the rule 5. Maybe it's just a recency bias but pitchers seem to be easier to pick and choose their spots to help. It seems It's harder to keep rule 5 position players on the roster for a team trying to compete because I feel it's harder for a hitter to acclimate to the majors than it is a pitcher who has good stuff.
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Post by soxinsf on Nov 20, 2021 21:55:51 GMT -5
I lean towards not taking position players in the rule 5. Maybe it's just a recency bias but pitchers seem to be easier to pick and choose their spots to help. It seems It's harder to keep rule 5 position players on the roster for a team trying to compete because I feel it's harder for a hitter to acclimate to the majors than it is a pitcher who has good stuff. I can see why the Sox took Aruaz two years ago. He filled a need. Today, they do not need utility infielders. Could they use a 4th OF who hits RH and plays good defense? Maybe but I am guessing that the next Marwin/Danny fills that need. So, yah, a possible addition to a nine person bullpen would seem to be the one place where a Rule 5 draftee might help.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 20, 2021 22:06:49 GMT -5
I lean towards not taking position players in the rule 5. Maybe it's just a recency bias but pitchers seem to be easier to pick and choose their spots to help. It seems It's harder to keep rule 5 position players on the roster for a team trying to compete because I feel it's harder for a hitter to acclimate to the majors than it is a pitcher who has good stuff. I can see why the Sox took Aruaz two years ago. He filled a need. Today, they do not need utility infielders. Could they use a 4th OF who hits RH and plays good defense? Maybe but I am guessing that the next Marwin/Danny fills that need. So, yah, a possible addition to a nine person bullpen would seem to be the one place where a Rule 5 draftee might help. I wouldn't go so far as to say the sox don't need a utility infielder but to me I'd rather they sign a guy like Iglesias for that role at probably cheap money since we know he's a major league caliber player than to take a guy who has never played above AA and try to keep him all year. That could certainly change in an instant if these baez rumors come true and then we'd have Arroyo to be the utility IF. But overall I think we are both on the same page here.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 20, 2021 22:53:16 GMT -5
Agree with cdj, "keep picking Yankees" Brandon Lockridge
B/T: R/R | 6' 1" 185LBS | Age: 24 OF, New York Yankees 2021 A+/AA slash line .328 .382 .557 .940 plus, he can absolutely fly! Baseball SavantJonathan Aranda
B/T: L/R | 5' 10" 173LBS | Age: 23 1B/2B/3B, Tampa Bay Rays 2021 A+/AA slash line .330 .418 .543 .962 Baseball SavantJacob Lopez
B/T: L/L | 6' 4" 220LBS | Age: 23 LHP, Tampa Bay Rays Baseball Savant
Adrian Hernandez
B/T: R/R | 5' 10" 168LBS | Age: 21 LHP, Toronto Blue Jays Baseball SavantI wouldn't complain about any of those guys. Lockridge could compete with Locastro in spring training as a speedy RHH 4th OF. 191 AA PAs. Let's go!
Just scouting the stat line, it would appear that Aranda takes a rake up to the plate and fits as a LHH 1B/2B. Disciplined 16.2% K/9.5% BB ratio to go with decent power. 322 AA PAs.
Lopez is a converted college CF who has put up nice pitching numbers at age appropriate levels first for SF, then TB, and appears to have better control than Hernandez. Lopez seems to have really found something this year in high-A after coming back from a winter in Australia (also his first full season with TB). 54.2 high-A IP, 5.0 AA IP.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 21, 2021 13:51:46 GMT -5
Agree with cdj, "keep picking Yankees" Brandon Lockridge
B/T: R/R | 6' 1" 185LBS | Age: 24 OF, New York Yankees 2021 A+/AA slash line .328 .382 .557 .940 plus, he can absolutely fly [/div][/quote] Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 50 | Run: 75 | Arm: 45 | Field: 60 | Overall: 45
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 21, 2021 23:00:13 GMT -5
That compares favorably to how FG scouted Jarren Duran last off-season.
(present/future) Hit: 45/55, Raw: 45/45, Game: 30/35, Run: 70/70, Arm: 40, Field: 35/40, Overall: 45.
Seems odd that all of Lockridge's tools are 45 or above and yet his overall grade is 45.
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Post by baseball3 on Nov 22, 2021 6:51:34 GMT -5
I lean towards not taking position players in the rule 5. Maybe it's just a recency bias but pitchers seem to be easier to pick and choose their spots to help. It seems It's harder to keep rule 5 position players on the roster for a team trying to compete because I feel it's harder for a hitter to acclimate to the majors than it is a pitcher who has good stuff. It's a lot harder taking position players. Especially with a team that's competing. A little easier with Arauz as last man on bench on one of the worst teams in the league. It's hard carry a position player on a bench with 3-4 spots left versus a pitchsr 6-8 spots to fill in the bullpen.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 22, 2021 9:32:13 GMT -5
It's easier to hide a bad pitcher, but it's really not that hard to keep a lower upside part-time position player who is decent in the 26-man roster era. The last couple guys on the bench aren't necessarily like the last couple pitchers on the roster, who you're constantly optioning down and recalling based on usage and availability. The 12th-best position player on the team is usually on the team all year, the 12th-best pitcher is going to be up and down if he has options.
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Post by jmei on Nov 22, 2021 10:58:41 GMT -5
It tends to be easier to carry a defensive-focused position player than an offensive-focused one. A guy who topped out at AA/A+ who is a defensive-focused guy tends to have MLB-ready defensive skills, while an offensive-focused one is probably still not an MLB-ready bat. There’s also a bias towards defensive flexibility given that they’ll likely be a bench player and teams (especially in the AL) tend to want defensive flexibility as opposed to a bat on their bench.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Nov 22, 2021 12:59:34 GMT -5
From Eric Longenhagen at Fangraphs this morning: "Pre-deadline chatter with my scout/front office contacts indicated that the Red Sox at least kicked the tires on trades for near-term contributors, but ultimately, they only made additions from within". He also has a nice breakdown on every team's movement at last Fridays deadline. blogs.fangraphs.com/breaking-down-the-40-man-roster-deadline/?s=09
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 24, 2021 0:59:15 GMT -5
Cint Frazier just DFA by the Skankees would be a nice fit here. Dunno. The opening would appear to be for a RHH OF who can spell Verdugo against LHP and Frazier actually has reverse splits for his career (707 ABs). He's also a bum.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 24, 2021 19:23:24 GMT -5
Cint Frazier just DFA by the Skankees would be a nice fit here. Dunno. The opening would appear to be for a RHH OF who can spell Verdugo against LHP and Frazier actually has reverse splits for his career (707 ABs). He's also a bum.
Yeah there's this thing where everyone wanted Clint Frazier and he wasn't there so the Red Sox ended up with Trey Ball and they kept wishing Clint Frazier had fallen, but he's just not a good ballplayer. He is a sorta-decent hitter who is just absolutely abysmal defensively and as a baserunner. It's like pairing Gary Sheffield's defense and Ryan Theriot's TOOTBLAN-ocity with Kevin Plawecki's offense.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 24, 2021 20:17:22 GMT -5
Dunno. The opening would appear to be for a RHH OF who can spell Verdugo against LHP and Frazier actually has reverse splits for his career (707 ABs). He's also a bum.
Yeah there's this thing where everyone wanted Clint Frazier and he wasn't there so the Red Sox ended up with Trey Ball and they kept wishing Clint Frazier had fallen, but he's just not a good ballplayer. He is a sorta-decent hitter who is just absolutely abysmal defensively and as a baserunner. It's like pairing Gary Sheffield's defense and Ryan Theriot's TOOTBLAN-ocity with Kevin Plawecki's offense. I wouldn't say he's not good. Its tough to write someone off at 26-27 years old. Baserunning is not great and the defense is meh but he could still make good on his hit tool. He really hasn't had the chance to get consistent at bats in the bigs. The most ABs hes had is 246. Convert those 2019 stats to say 500 ABs and he's an average 3rd outfielder. Will he ever be a super star? No. But I think he could certainly fare better than say Franchy. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 24, 2021 20:23:05 GMT -5
[/div][/quote] Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 50 | Run: 75 | Arm: 45 | Field: 60 | Overall: 45[/quote] Odd. Even if they feel like hes maxed out should be 50. I like him. But I think would be redundant with Locastro who I think Boston should keep as a super utility option that Kiké was supposed to be since I think we can all agree on Kiké being the every day CF at this point.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Nov 24, 2021 20:51:00 GMT -5
Yeah there's this thing where everyone wanted Clint Frazier and he wasn't there so the Red Sox ended up with Trey Ball and they kept wishing Clint Frazier had fallen, but he's just not a good ballplayer. He is a sorta-decent hitter who is just absolutely abysmal defensively and as a baserunner. It's like pairing Gary Sheffield's defense and Ryan Theriot's TOOTBLAN-ocity with Kevin Plawecki's offense. I wouldn't say he's not good. Its tough to write someone off at 26-27 years old. Baserunning is not great and the defense is meh but he could still make good on his hit tool. He really hasn't had the chance to get consistent at bats in the bigs. The most ABs hes had is 246. Convert those 2019 stats to say 500 ABs and he's an average 3rd outfielder. Will he ever be a super star? No. But I think he could certainly fare better than say Franchy. Just my opinion of course. Your claim that Clint Frazier is better than ....Franchy....LOL. That is like my next door neighbor stating driving stoned is not as bad as driving drunk....Neither is acceptable
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