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Post by James Dunne on Nov 24, 2021 20:57:54 GMT -5
Yeah there's this thing where everyone wanted Clint Frazier and he wasn't there so the Red Sox ended up with Trey Ball and they kept wishing Clint Frazier had fallen, but he's just not a good ballplayer. He is a sorta-decent hitter who is just absolutely abysmal defensively and as a baserunner. It's like pairing Gary Sheffield's defense and Ryan Theriot's TOOTBLAN-ocity with Kevin Plawecki's offense. I wouldn't say he's not good. Its tough to write someone off at 26-27 years old. Baserunning is not great and the defense is meh but he could still make good on his hit tool. He really hasn't had the chance to get consistent at bats in the bigs. The most ABs hes had is 246. Convert those 2019 stats to say 500 ABs and he's an average 3rd outfielder. Will he ever be a super star? No. But I think he could certainly fare better than say Franchy. Just my opinion of course. He has 800 plate appearances in the bigs and his tools are worse. Also, he is NOTABLY worse defensively than Franchy. To your point, yes, he hit like a second division starter for 1/3 of a season... while being so bad at everything else that he ended up back in the minor leagues. And he followed that up hitting like garbage in Scranton. Jack Lopez is a better baseball player. Tate Matheny might be a better baseball player. Not only would I not give him MLB at-bats, I would not want him taking plate appearances away from Triple-A backup outfielders who I would want to stay sharp in case the major league team has four injuries.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Nov 24, 2021 21:44:41 GMT -5
I wouldn't say he's not good. Its tough to write someone off at 26-27 years old. Baserunning is not great and the defense is meh but he could still make good on his hit tool. He really hasn't had the chance to get consistent at bats in the bigs. The most ABs hes had is 246. Convert those 2019 stats to say 500 ABs and he's an average 3rd outfielder. Will he ever be a super star? No. But I think he could certainly fare better than say Franchy. Just my opinion of course. Your claim that Clint Frazier is better than ....Franchy....LOL. That is like my next door neighbor stating driving stoned is not as bad as driving drunk....Neither is acceptable Well...its true. Franchy has no tools. Frazier has one. Again I don't think anyone is saying the guy is an all star but I believe he could be a solid 4th outfielder if he gets ABs. But its going to depend on if he can hit consistently at the big league level which he hasn't really done since 2019. 2020 was a weird year and last year he was hurt/sick. Minor league deal and an invitation to camp sounds about right. But there is still some upside here in the right scenario.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Nov 24, 2021 22:17:57 GMT -5
Dunno. The opening would appear to be for a RHH OF who can spell Verdugo against LHP and Frazier actually has reverse splits for his career (707 ABs). He's also a bum.
Yeah there's this thing where everyone wanted Clint Frazier and he wasn't there so the Red Sox ended up with Trey Ball and they kept wishing Clint Frazier had fallen, but he's just not a good ballplayer. He is a sorta-decent hitter who is just absolutely abysmal defensively and as a baserunner. It's like pairing Gary Sheffield's defense and Ryan Theriot's TOOTBLAN-ocity with Kevin Plawecki's offense. Funny thing about that 2013 draft is that if you look down the list of guys drafted around Ball (i.e. Frazier, Moran) or below, there aren't a ton of guys who have amounted to much. Meadows or Renfroe could have made sense at #7 but it would've been a long reach down to Tim Anderson, Marco Gonzales, JP Crawford or Aaron Judge. The sad fact is that it was just a bad year to be picking at #7.
The sad fact for Frazier, of course, is that he has never come close to fulfilling his promise as an athletic 3B with power from foul line to foul line. He climbed the minor league ladder but just hasn't been able to take a big league job by the throat and keep it. I can see him having a decent run in a place like KC or CIN where he could hold off minor leaguers trying to take his job but not a big-market club like BOS or MFY where they'll go out and get another big leaguer to replace you if you don't perform.
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Post by geostorm on Nov 25, 2021 18:16:50 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Nov 26, 2021 0:00:37 GMT -5
Your claim that Clint Frazier is better than ....Franchy....LOL. That is like my next door neighbor stating driving stoned is not as bad as driving drunk....Neither is acceptable Well...its true. Franchy has no tools. Frazier has one. Again I don't think anyone is saying the guy is an all star but I believe he could be a solid 4th outfielder if he gets ABs. But its going to depend on if he can hit consistently at the big league level which he hasn't really done since 2019. 2020 was a weird year and last year he was hurt/sick. Minor league deal and an invitation to camp sounds about right. But there is still some upside here in the right scenario. Franchy has a couple of good tools, just no toolbox. He’s got power and speed though. Arm is good too.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 2, 2021 1:51:00 GMT -5
Interesting.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 2, 2021 2:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 2, 2021 6:52:34 GMT -5
In a way I feel like they should have done this last year after the shortened season with no minor league year. I'm glad they didn't as the sox wouldn't have gotten Whitlock if that happened. That being said I think this is a slight win for the Red Sox? Chances are they weren't going to hit a home run like last year and now they get another year to evaluate a few of their guys who might have been selected.
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Post by dajubaisasoxfan on Dec 2, 2021 7:05:23 GMT -5
I wonder when teams/GMs really knew that this would be the case
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Post by orion09 on Dec 2, 2021 7:10:02 GMT -5
Wait... is he saying there won't be a draft at all? I assume it would just get postponed until the lockout is over, right?
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 2, 2021 7:17:46 GMT -5
Wait... is he saying there won't be a draft at all? I assume it would just get postponed until the lockout is over, right? Sounds to me that it's canceled this year and will not take place even when the lockout is over.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 2, 2021 8:58:20 GMT -5
Pretty funny outcome for something that is always talked about way out of proportion to how important it is. Good result for the Red Sox.
In retrospect, should have been easier to predict that the union would be happy to skip the Rule 5 draft.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 2, 2021 9:02:48 GMT -5
Looks like they will hold a Rule 5 in normal time but only do the minor league portion. Thus the Major league portion is skipped. I guess they'd have to bargain if they'll restore it?
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Post by azblue on Dec 2, 2021 9:52:04 GMT -5
By announcing the lockout now instead of after the December 5 (previously scheduled but now cancelled) major leauge portion of the Rule 5 draft, Yankee fan Rob Manfred likely saved the Yankees from losing 3 valuable players.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 2, 2021 9:58:18 GMT -5
Looks like they will hold a Rule 5 in normal time but only do the minor league portion. Thus the Major league portion is skipped. I guess they'd have to bargain if they'll restore it? Maybe I'm cynical, but "absolutely make sure the 2021 Rule 5 draft happens" is probably not the top of the negotiation list of the MLBPA. By announcing the lockout now instead of after the December 5 (previously scheduled but now cancelled) major leauge portion of the Rule 5 draft, Yankee fan Rob Manfred likely saved the Yankees Red Sox from losing 3 valuable players. Fixed that for you.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 2, 2021 10:08:01 GMT -5
So this cancelation not only protects us from losing Ward, but he in theory should be able to continue to rehab with the minor league staff since he's not on the 40, right?
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Post by basbal24 on Dec 2, 2021 10:38:13 GMT -5
when do we get the rule 5 minor league draft lists & Preview ?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2021 10:43:02 GMT -5
when do we get the rule 5 minor league draft lists & Preview ? We'll get right on that. Kidding aside, they're not going to lose anyone.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 2, 2021 10:59:04 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Dec 2, 2021 11:30:27 GMT -5
What kind of sickos are we that we spend so much energy talking about something that tends to be so inconsequential. And yet, every once in a while a Whitlock comes along (or a Pressley goes out...).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2021 23:27:01 GMT -5
What differentiates who is eligible for the MLB phase vs minor league phase? Couldn’t Ward be taken in the minor league phase? No. There's a Triple-A reserve list just like there's an MLB reserve list (the 40-man roster). Players not on either of those lists are eligible for selection in the minor league phase. If you gave a guy half a second's thought for whether he may or may not be put on the 40-man roster, he's almost certainly on the Triple-A reserve list at least. The minor league reserve lists aren't public. But just trust me - no Red Sox will be picked this year.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Dec 3, 2021 10:56:42 GMT -5
Based on "postponed indefinitely," it could mean it still happens depending on:
a) whether it goes into the new CBA more or less as is, and 2) how long the lockout drags on -- if it's resolved in time for ST and Opening Day to go off on time, probably they do it; if the impasse starts to cut into actual games, maybe not.
The whole Rule 5 concept is to prevent teams from hoarding minor league players forever, presumably initiated by the union but the people it helps are not their typical core constituency. Makes you wonder, as @jd points out, how much attention will be paid to it.
OTOH, all they have to do is say, "Anyone object to just leaving Rule 5 the way it is?" and when only Chaim, Cashman, and Chris Antonetti raise their hands, it'll go right through and they can schedule it for the end of the same meeting.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 6, 2021 15:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 8, 2021 12:40:56 GMT -5
It's weird that someone who is selected in the minor league rule 5 draft could then later be selected in the major league rule 5 draft when it happens. May not be likely, but reversing the order of the drafts makes it a lot different than normal.
In addition, when players were selected in the MLB draft, it opened up spots for the MiLB draft. That won't happen this year. I'm not sure how many spots are available for teams at this point.
Sad that the MiLB rule 5 draft is the only baseball we're going to get for who knows how long.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 8, 2021 12:50:54 GMT -5
I just want to say before anyone writes off the minor league Rule 5 draft....both Raynel Espinal and Kaleb Ort came into our org via this draft and made their major league debuts this past year. Maybe we can find another Yankee this year too.
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