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Chaim Bloom and the Red Sox Rebuild
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 18, 2021 9:44:35 GMT -5
Kris Bryant does seem the type chaim would be interested in. He can play 1st, 3rd, LF and RF all pretty decently I believe. It seems chaim values versatility. That being said I'm not sure Kris Bryant will be worth the money he's going to be looking at. He's a good player not sure he's a great player worth the 9 figure contract he's probably looking for.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 18, 2021 9:48:27 GMT -5
Kris Bryant does seem the type chaim would be interested in. He can play 1st, 3rd, LF and RF all pretty decently I believe. It seems chaim values versatility. That being said I'm not sure Kris Bryant will be worth the money he's going to be looking at. He's a good player not sure he's a great player worth the 9 figure contract he's probably looking for. There are likely very few guys that Bloom will target like that and they'll all probably be extensions for high character Red Sox players who want to stay in Boston who should age better. I don't want to sign a bunch of Kris Bryant types while letting Erod, Devers and Xander walk.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 10:09:15 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Bloom is getting into some bidding war for a free agent. The Dodgers, which is kind of who the Sox are modeled after (Andrew Friedman) didn't start making splashes until he had the team consistently in contention (as opposed to just rejoining contention after a 2 year layoff) and he had the farm system totally stacked the way he wanted it.
The Red Sox are not there yet. At some point, the way Bloom is building the franchise, they will be, but until then, I don't expect Bloom to spend any big $. I'm not even convinced he does that with his own free agents unless there's a bargain element. Mookie wanted top dollar. If X opts out and expects to get Lindor money over the next ten years, then I think he will be elsewhere. Same with Devers. If he wants Mookie money I don't think he'll be around, but if there's some sort of discount element, then an extension would be possible in my opinion. But beyond those two, I don't see any huge free agents coming the Sox way in the next year or two.
Eventually Bloom is going to turn over the core of the team. Mid decade you'll see a Yorke/Mayer keystone combo. Casas will be at 1b, and some other kids will make their way up. They'll be making MLB minimum wage, so the circumstances will be right to spend big bucks on the right player, even somebody from outside the organization.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 18, 2021 10:18:07 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Bloom is getting into some bidding war for a free agent. The Dodgers, which is kind of who the Sox are modeled after (Andrew Friedman) didn't start making splashes until he had the team consistently in contention (as opposed to just rejoining contention after a 2 year layoff) and he had the farm system totally stacked the way he wanted it. The Red Sox are not there yet. At some point, the way Bloom is building the franchise, they will be, but until then, I don't expect Bloom to spend any big $. I'm not even convinced he does that with his own free agents unless there's a bargain element. Mookie wanted top dollar. If X opts out and expects to get Lindor money over the next ten years, then I think he will be elsewhere. Same with Devers. If he wants Mookie money I don't think he'll be around, but if there's some sort of discount element, then an extension would be possible in my opinion. But beyond those two, I don't see any huge free agents coming the Sox way in the next year or two. Eventually Bloom is going to turn over the core of the team. Mid decade you'll see a Yorke/Mayer keystone combo. Casas will be at 1b, and some other kids will make their way up. They'll be making MLB minimum wage, so the circumstances will be right to spend big bucks on the right player, even somebody from outside the organization. Time will tell but if he won't pony up for either Devers or Xander than I think fans are going to get awfully mad. If they're still winning though fans forget real quick so maybe. Also not knowing who develops in the minors but losing guys like rafi and xandy in the next few years I don't see anyone replacing that production in the minors right now.
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Post by manfred on Jul 18, 2021 10:21:18 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Bloom is getting into some bidding war for a free agent. The Dodgers, which is kind of who the Sox are modeled after (Andrew Friedman) didn't start making splashes until he had the team consistently in contention (as opposed to just rejoining contention after a 2 year layoff) and he had the farm system totally stacked the way he wanted it. The Red Sox are not there yet. At some point, the way Bloom is building the franchise, they will be, but until then, I don't expect Bloom to spend any big $. I'm not even convinced he does that with his own free agents unless there's a bargain element. Mookie wanted top dollar. If X opts out and expects to get Lindor money over the next ten years, then I think he will be elsewhere. Same with Devers. If he wants Mookie money I don't think he'll be around, but if there's some sort of discount element, then an extension would be possible in my opinion. But beyond those two, I don't see any huge free agents coming the Sox way in the next year or two. Eventually Bloom is going to turn over the core of the team. Mid decade you'll see a Yorke/Mayer keystone combo. Casas will be at 1b, and some other kids will make their way up. They'll be making MLB minimum wage, so the circumstances will be right to spend big bucks on the right player, even somebody from outside the organization. There is no “core” without Devers. He is a so far beyond anyone else 25 or younger in this system it is insane. If Bloom lets him walk in order to rely on the likes of Yorke, Casas, Duran… then this team will be much worse for it. Anyway… it is fine not to have Cole, Stanton etc in terms of crazy contracts. But the Sox should always be just at the max payroll give or take. They can and must afford to pay *some* of their guys.
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Post by jdb on Jul 18, 2021 11:11:44 GMT -5
Any early thoughts on the 2022 First Baseman for the Redsox? Past what will be a 32 year old Freddie Freeman, there's no one that even remotely excites me coming up on free agency. I know that Casas is coming, but probably not at all next year, and certainly not at the start of the season. Talk me into being excited about one of these guys (or someone else). Freddie Freeman (probably two truckloads of cash and too many years) Brandon Belt Anthony Rizzo Mitch Moreland Travis Shaw Jake Lamb C.J. Cron Ryan Zimmerman Matt Adams Greg Bird Justin Bour (list from Spotrac.com) Carlos Santana makes a ton of sense for the stretch run and next year giving Casas time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 11:39:16 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Bloom is getting into some bidding war for a free agent. The Dodgers, which is kind of who the Sox are modeled after (Andrew Friedman) didn't start making splashes until he had the team consistently in contention (as opposed to just rejoining contention after a 2 year layoff) and he had the farm system totally stacked the way he wanted it. The Red Sox are not there yet. At some point, the way Bloom is building the franchise, they will be, but until then, I don't expect Bloom to spend any big $. I'm not even convinced he does that with his own free agents unless there's a bargain element. Mookie wanted top dollar. If X opts out and expects to get Lindor money over the next ten years, then I think he will be elsewhere. Same with Devers. If he wants Mookie money I don't think he'll be around, but if there's some sort of discount element, then an extension would be possible in my opinion. But beyond those two, I don't see any huge free agents coming the Sox way in the next year or two. Eventually Bloom is going to turn over the core of the team. Mid decade you'll see a Yorke/Mayer keystone combo. Casas will be at 1b, and some other kids will make their way up. They'll be making MLB minimum wage, so the circumstances will be right to spend big bucks on the right player, even somebody from outside the organization. There is no “core” without Devers. He is a so far beyond anyone else 25 or younger in this system it is insane. If Bloom lets him walk in order to rely on the likes of Yorke, Casas, Duran… then this team will be much worse for it. Anyway… it is fine not to have Cole, Stanton etc in terms of crazy contracts. But the Sox should always be just at the max payroll give or take. They can and must afford to pay *some* of their guys. Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far.
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Post by manfred on Jul 18, 2021 11:46:38 GMT -5
There is no “core” without Devers. He is a so far beyond anyone else 25 or younger in this system it is insane. If Bloom lets him walk in order to rely on the likes of Yorke, Casas, Duran… then this team will be much worse for it. Anyway… it is fine not to have Cole, Stanton etc in terms of crazy contracts. But the Sox should always be just at the max payroll give or take. They can and must afford to pay *some* of their guys. Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. Right. But not signing Mookie doesn’t mean they don’t ever sign anyone. It could just as easily mean they’d rather use that money to keep X AND Devers, but let Mookie go. If there is some Bloom Rule that guys automatically price themselves out, he won’t last. First, I will no longer be alone in not liking him. And second, you simply can’t guarantee a constant cycle of top-level 24-year-olds. The fact is, for all the “deepening” of the system he has done, he has not brought in anyone who holds a candle to Mookie, X, or Devers (no shame, of course, since that could be 3 HOFers). But you can’t keep giving up stars for slightly above average (but controllable) players like Verdugo and be a premier team. He’s not dumb. He knows he can’t shed all three guys. Or at least not without at least one A+ player in return.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 12:38:28 GMT -5
Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. Right. But not signing Mookie doesn’t mean they don’t ever sign anyone. It could just as easily mean they’d rather use that money to keep X AND Devers, but let Mookie go. If there is some Bloom Rule that guys automatically price themselves out, he won’t last. First, I will no longer be alone in not liking him. And second, you simply can’t guarantee a constant cycle of top-level 24-year-olds. The fact is, for all the “deepening” of the system he has done, he has not brought in anyone who holds a candle to Mookie, X, or Devers (no shame, of course, since that could be 3 HOFers). But you can’t keep giving up stars for slightly above average (but controllable) players like Verdugo and be a premier team. He’s not dumb. He knows he can’t shed all three guys. Or at least not without at least one A+ player in return. I didn't say Bloom wouldn't resign anybody. I said I think the X situation effects the Devers situation. If Bloom sees both as future 3b I doubt both get long term deals. I think the situations are dependent upon each other. I didn't say that neither get signed. However, you have to ask yourself, how many 30 million per year long term contracts do you think they're going to carry?
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Post by manfred on Jul 18, 2021 12:38:58 GMT -5
Right. But not signing Mookie doesn’t mean they don’t ever sign anyone. It could just as easily mean they’d rather use that money to keep X AND Devers, but let Mookie go. If there is some Bloom Rule that guys automatically price themselves out, he won’t last. First, I will no longer be alone in not liking him. And second, you simply can’t guarantee a constant cycle of top-level 24-year-olds. The fact is, for all the “deepening” of the system he has done, he has not brought in anyone who holds a candle to Mookie, X, or Devers (no shame, of course, since that could be 3 HOFers). But you can’t keep giving up stars for slightly above average (but controllable) players like Verdugo and be a premier team. He’s not dumb. He knows he can’t shed all three guys. Or at least not without at least one A+ player in return. I didn't say Bloom wouldn't resign anybody. I said I think the X situation effects the Devers situation. If Bloom sees both as future 3b I doubt both get long term deals. I think the situations are dependent upon each other. I didn't say that neither get signed. However, you have to ask yourself, how many 30 million per year long term contracts do you think they're going to carry? At least 2?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 12:46:03 GMT -5
I didn't say Bloom wouldn't resign anybody. I said I think the X situation effects the Devers situation. If Bloom sees both as future 3b I doubt both get long term deals. I think the situations are dependent upon each other. I didn't say that neither get signed. However, you have to ask yourself, how many 30 million per year long term contracts do you think they're going to carry? At least 2? If he thinks he X can play LF (hope he'd convert from SS to LF better than Hanley did) and Bloom is ready to hand out a 10 year plus contract to a guy who might well DHing some of those last years, then yeah I suppose you could be right.
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Post by manfred on Jul 18, 2021 12:52:39 GMT -5
If he thinks he X can play LF (hope he'd convert from SS to LF better than Hanley did) and Bloom is ready to hand out a 10 year plus contract to a guy who might well DHing some of those last years, then yeah I suppose you could be right. Or… the Wizard works his magic and gets X to take a 5-6 year deal. Isn’t that what Bloom is here for? Abracadabra?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 13:05:00 GMT -5
If he thinks he X can play LF (hope he'd convert from SS to LF better than Hanley did) and Bloom is ready to hand out a 10 year plus contract to a guy who might well DHing some of those last years, then yeah I suppose you could be right. Or… the Wizard works his magic and gets X to take a 5-6 year deal. Isn’t that what Bloom is here for? Abracadabra? Bloom can't control a player's mindset. Most players simply want the most money possible but it's not universal. That doesn't come from Bloom. That's the player's outlook. What Bloom can do is provide a competitive team in a good atmosphere, and from there it's the player's choice.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 13:05:39 GMT -5
Or… the Wizard works his magic and gets X to take a 5-6 year deal. Isn’t that what Bloom is here for? Abracadabra? Bloom can't control a player's mindset. Most players simply want the most money possible but it's not universal. That doesn't come from Bloom. That's the player's outlook. What Bloom can do is provide a competitive team in a good atmosphere, with a competitive offer and from there it's the player's choice.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 18, 2021 13:21:33 GMT -5
Kris Bryant does seem the type chaim would be interested in. He can play 1st, 3rd, LF and RF all pretty decently I believe. It seems chaim values versatility. That being said I'm not sure Kris Bryant will be worth the money he's going to be looking at. He's a good player not sure he's a great player worth the 9 figure contract he's probably looking for. There are likely very few guys that Bloom will target like that and they'll all probably be extensions for high character Red Sox players who want to stay in Boston who should age better. I don't want to sign a bunch of Kris Bryant types while letting Erod, Devers and Xander walk. I think this is extremely important!! We have all seen the money wasted on bad contracts thru the years and the Sox have had their share. It is especially fun to watch the Yankees excel in this dept as they always seem to have 20+ million wasted. It's probably the biggest reason for success or failure outside of the quality of your farm system and for big market teams that go for it regularly it is even more important. Another reason beyond knowing the player and the character thing is knowing whether they can handle the pressure of playing here. Will they thrive on all the attention or wilt under the pressure from fans and the media. We have seen a lot of that thru the years also. The Sox should definitely prioritize their own but they will need to start hitting on some pitching more often.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 18, 2021 13:22:54 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Bloom is getting into some bidding war for a free agent. The Dodgers, which is kind of who the Sox are modeled after (Andrew Friedman) didn't start making splashes until he had the team consistently in contention (as opposed to just rejoining contention after a 2 year layoff) and he had the farm system totally stacked the way he wanted it. The Red Sox are not there yet. At some point, the way Bloom is building the franchise, they will be, but until then, I don't expect Bloom to spend any big $. I'm not even convinced he does that with his own free agents unless there's a bargain element. Mookie wanted top dollar. If X opts out and expects to get Lindor money over the next ten years, then I think he will be elsewhere. Same with Devers. If he wants Mookie money I don't think he'll be around, but if there's some sort of discount element, then an extension would be possible in my opinion. But beyond those two, I don't see any huge free agents coming the Sox way in the next year or two. Eventually Bloom is going to turn over the core of the team. Mid decade you'll see a Yorke/Mayer keystone combo. Casas will be at 1b, and some other kids will make their way up. They'll be making MLB minimum wage, so the circumstances will be right to spend big bucks on the right player, even somebody from outside the organization. I mean, he's presumably going to spend the money somewhere. I could see some short-term deals for pitchers, like Scherzer or Greinke or something. I think a Devers extension is more likely than not. Signing Eduardo Rodriguez at a relative discount would be a great move. If not him maybe a Stroman type... Also, I don't know what you mean by the team not being consistently in contention. They obviously are this year; do they figure to be worse next year and the years following?
Alas, I think Bogaerts probably opts out and goes elsewhere as I don't see a Lindor-type deal for a guy who will probably have to move off SS fitting into Bloom's long-term vision. I have a faint hope he can re-work the current deal to like $30 million/year and pushing the opt out back a couple years, something like that. Maybe Xander would be interested in ensuring he stayed in Boston for another few years while still having a shot at a 9-figure deal down the road.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 18, 2021 13:41:49 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Bloom is getting into some bidding war for a free agent. The Dodgers, which is kind of who the Sox are modeled after (Andrew Friedman) didn't start making splashes until he had the team consistently in contention (as opposed to just rejoining contention after a 2 year layoff) and he had the farm system totally stacked the way he wanted it. The Red Sox are not there yet. At some point, the way Bloom is building the franchise, they will be, but until then, I don't expect Bloom to spend any big $. I'm not even convinced he does that with his own free agents unless there's a bargain element. Mookie wanted top dollar. If X opts out and expects to get Lindor money over the next ten years, then I think he will be elsewhere. Same with Devers. If he wants Mookie money I don't think he'll be around, but if there's some sort of discount element, then an extension would be possible in my opinion. But beyond those two, I don't see any huge free agents coming the Sox way in the next year or two. Eventually Bloom is going to turn over the core of the team. Mid decade you'll see a Yorke/Mayer keystone combo. Casas will be at 1b, and some other kids will make their way up. They'll be making MLB minimum wage, so the circumstances will be right to spend big bucks on the right player, even somebody from outside the organization. I mean, he's presumably going to spend the money somewhere. I could see some short-term deals for pitchers, like Scherzer or Greinke or something. I think a Devers extension is more likely than not. Signing Eduardo Rodriguez at a relative discount would be a great move. If not him maybe a Stroman type... Also, I don't know what you mean by the team not being consistently in contention. They obviously are this year; do they figure to be worse next year and the years following?
Alas, I think Bogaerts probably opts out and goes elsewhere as I don't see a Lindor-type deal for a guy who will probably have to move off SS fitting into Bloom's long-term vision. I have a faint hope he can re-work the current deal to like $30 million/year and pushing the opt out back a couple years, something like that. Maybe Xander would be interested in ensuring he stayed in Boston for another few years while still having a shot at a 9-figure deal down the road. I think Bloom is more of a spread the money around type of guy, but as you said you think there's a real chance X leaves, and if that comes to pass, then yes I can see the Sox doing everything in their power to extend Devers. As far as 2022 goes I wouldn't be surprised with regression, like 2019 (not 2014 or 2020 like). The Sox, knock on wood, have been remarkably healthy, and so much more has gone right than wrong, the record in close games, exceeding the pythagorean record, so I see the Sox as still stocking the system as the try to stay competitive. I think the Sox will take a step back just by pure luck (like 2018 vs 2019), but soon if Bloom keeps doing what he's doing the Sox could have a nice long sustained run of excellence sustained by a strong young core by the middle of the decade. I love what he's doing with the farm system and I think we'll be seeing it really paying off by then.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 18, 2021 14:00:40 GMT -5
There is no “core” without Devers. He is a so far beyond anyone else 25 or younger in this system it is insane. If Bloom lets him walk in order to rely on the likes of Yorke, Casas, Duran… then this team will be much worse for it. Anyway… it is fine not to have Cole, Stanton etc in terms of crazy contracts. But the Sox should always be just at the max payroll give or take. They can and must afford to pay *some* of their guys. Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. No. Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to Betts when the farm system was stripped, there was almost no major league depth and they already had a $240 million payroll.
There's absolutely the time to give a contract like that out when they're in the same position the Dodgers were in when they traded for and signed Mookie.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 18, 2021 14:01:27 GMT -5
Devers and bogey are the organization’s corner stones. We need to focus on keeping them and filling in the line up around them.
He have some really potential high end position players coming up to augment those two.
We also have some potentially high end relievers in the pipeline as well.
1.) sign bogey and devers long term. 2.) keep finding starters from other organizations like pivetta for example. 3.) keep upgrading talent in the minors and developing high end position players and relievers. (A starter or two would also help, but let’s not get greedy or unrealistic.) 4.) continue to fill in where needed with low cost quality. And hopefully they come from winning organizations.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 18, 2021 18:15:25 GMT -5
There is no “core” without Devers. He is a so far beyond anyone else 25 or younger in this system it is insane. If Bloom lets him walk in order to rely on the likes of Yorke, Casas, Duran… then this team will be much worse for it. Anyway… it is fine not to have Cole, Stanton etc in terms of crazy contracts. But the Sox should always be just at the max payroll give or take. They can and must afford to pay *some* of their guys. Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. I think CB will evaluate each extension on its own merits. If he gets a good deal for X, he'll still want a deal that makes sense with Devers. He won't overpay one guy because he saved a few bucks on the other. In fact, we have already seen this. Having a good deal in place with X didn't sway him or the organization into giving Mookie ridiculous money. I think he is trying to build a culture where they retain guys who are willing to take reasonable contracts that make them filthy rich. Guys who insist on top-of-the-market money so that they can be filthy, filthy, filthy rich will be leaving town. I am totally on board with this approach. I'd be surprised if CB signs both X and Raffy to big extensions. I think there's a greater chance that he signs neither. The onus is on both sides to be reasonable. Declining to make a bad business and BB deal with a player doesn't mean the team is shortchanging its fans. It means the team is smart.
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Post by manfred on Jul 18, 2021 18:20:09 GMT -5
Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. I think CB will evaluate each extension on its own merits. If he gets a good deal for X, he'll still want a deal that makes sense with Devers. He won't overpay one guy because he saved a few bucks on the other. In fact, we have already seen this. Having a good deal in place with X didn't sway him or the organization into giving Mookie ridiculous money. I think he is trying to build a culture where they retain guys who are willing to take reasonable contracts that make them filthy rich. Guys who insist on top-of-the-market money so that they can be filthy, filthy, filthy rich will be leaving town. I am totally on board with this approach. I'd be surprised if CB signs both X and Raffy to big extensions. I think there's a greater chance that he signs neither. The onus is on both sides to be reasonable. Declining to make a bad business and BB deal with a player doesn't mean the team is shortchanging its fans. It means the team is smart. Doesn’t mean they are shortchanging SOME of the fans. Some of the fans aren’t loyal only to a corporate entity. Yes, there is a continuity of loyalty that extends from team to team… but there are limits.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 19, 2021 20:27:22 GMT -5
There is no “core” without Devers. He is a so far beyond anyone else 25 or younger in this system it is insane. If Bloom lets him walk in order to rely on the likes of Yorke, Casas, Duran… then this team will be much worse for it. Anyway… it is fine not to have Cole, Stanton etc in terms of crazy contracts. But the Sox should always be just at the max payroll give or take. They can and must afford to pay *some* of their guys. Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. Bloom was hired with a mandate to trade Mookie. That wasn’t his decision - it was made prior to him being hired. Also, not signing Mookie to that contract was correct. I could be wrong but I see Xander and Devers here a long time. Xander will be 30 if he opts out, Lindor was 27 when he signed his contract.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 19, 2021 20:57:16 GMT -5
Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. Bloom was hired with a mandate to trade Mookie. That wasn’t his decision - it was made prior to him being hired. Also, not signing Mookie to that contract was correct. I could be wrong but I see Xander and Devers here a long time. Xander will be 30 if he opts out, Lindor was 27 when he signed his contract. While Bloom didn't create that situation I don't think they had to twist his arm that hard to make the trade. I remember hearing an interview with jaret carabis or whatever his name is where he was very candid about the reasons for the trade. It didn't sound like he was forced into it. I think he was on board. Again that doesn't mean that he created that situation.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 19, 2021 22:06:48 GMT -5
Need I remind you of all people that Bloom didn't want to give Trout money to generational talent Mookie Betts? A lot will depend on X as far as Devers is concerned. The future of X is most likely 3b although you can argue for other positions. If X signs an extension that could impact Devers. If X leaves perhaps they extend more for Devers. I don't know that they go all out to extend both. They'll try but as they've shown they'll only go so far. Bloom was hired with a mandate to trade Mookie. That wasn’t his decision - it was made prior to him being hired. Also, not signing Mookie to that contract was correct. I could be wrong but I see Xander and Devers here a long time. Xander will be 30 if he opts out, Lindor was 27 when he signed his contract. Do you have anything to support that? Because that's most certainly not my understanding.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 20, 2021 5:19:30 GMT -5
Bloom was hired with a mandate to trade Mookie. That wasn’t his decision - it was made prior to him being hired. Also, not signing Mookie to that contract was correct. I could be wrong but I see Xander and Devers here a long time. Xander will be 30 if he opts out, Lindor was 27 when he signed his contract. Do you have anything to support that? Because that's most certainly not my understanding. Mandate may be the wrong word, but trading Mookie was decided before they hired him. Getting under the tax was a priority, he wasn’t resigning and dealing him was inevitable. They knew it, we knew it and that didn’t change after the Bloom hire. They weren’t paying him 300-400m. And part of the Chaim hire was likely being on the same page with that. It’s not like they hired Bloom and were surprised he decided to trade Mookie. That was predetermined prior to his hire.
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