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Celtics 2021 Offseason
mobaz
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Post by mobaz on Jun 2, 2021 10:56:44 GMT -5
I really hope a follow-up comes out about Zarren being GM even with Stevens as Pres of Basketball Ops. Brad will not succeed if he doesn't have Zarren taking a strong leadership role in the org too. He knows so much more about the administration and obv the cap and trades. I'm hoping we see more of him too.
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Post by wcp3 on Jun 2, 2021 11:14:52 GMT -5
my .02 on this is that Brad's stay in the front office will be very temporary. I expect him to be on a new times sideline as coach before next season starts. Not sure if it will be college or NBA, but I would not be surprised if he gets multiple inquiries and offers from NBA teams almost immediately. If it's an NBA team., then the Celts will ask for compensation. To me, Brad is a coach. But he knows he cant be this teams coach anymore. There was a breakdown somewhere this year, my guess between Brad and either Tatum or Brown. It couldnt be repaired, and Tatum or Brown arent going anywhere, so it had to be Brad. I think moving him to GM will be a short stay, allows everybody to save face while they reconstruct and Brad will go back to a sideline sometime in the fall. Not sure I agree - he actually has said he doesn’t want to coach forever. Unless he’s a disaster (which is possible), I don’t expect him to go back.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 11:21:33 GMT -5
Jason Kidd has head coaching experience with multiple teams, coaching NBA stars. I also respect the hell out of him for becoming an assistant. It shows he wants to do everything in his power to become a good coach. Given his money and career opportunities I respect that. He'd certainly get the players respect. I don't remember enough about his coaching to know if he's the right coach though.
Lloyd Pierce isn't getting everyone's respect the minute he walks in the door. He needs some time under a great head coach in my opinion. Seems like an option for assist coach. Yet that's just going off his wiki page and his recent stint as the Hawks coach.
You need to right coach for our young guys that are already stars.
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cdj
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 11:23:26 GMT -5
I think Cassell is my #1
Hammon is on my short list too
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Post by dangermike on Jun 2, 2021 11:38:57 GMT -5
the way this roster is presently constructed, there shouldnt be much to do this offseason outside of picking a new coach, which will allow this transition to be somewhat smooth. trading kemba away right now is draft/roster suicide and moving any of the promising young guys will be a nightmare to try and match salaries with another team. maybe you can move smart/tt but that'd really be about it in terms of player shake-ups. we'll probably just see little deals like jabari parker and hopefully a really good value pick in the draft (like they ALWAYS do - danny haters kindly stfu).
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 2, 2021 11:50:28 GMT -5
Didn't see that coming.... guess we will have to wait and see how it all works out. I like the idea of Jason Kidd, I think... Now Brad will have the responsibility of trying to fix the roster.
Danny did say their would be change.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 2, 2021 11:58:35 GMT -5
Honestly I'd make a run at Becky Hammon. Comes from the Popovich tree, high basketball IQ, still pretty young and reports are that she's pretty chill, you don't need someone coming in and shouting at Brown and Smart.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 12:08:43 GMT -5
Honestly I'd make a run at Becky Hammon. Comes from the Popovich tree, high basketball IQ, still pretty young and reports are that she's pretty chill, you don't need someone coming in and shouting at Brown and Smart. It’s a young, forward-thinking team with insightful players too. I think she’d have their respect (which is really the only knock on her as a coach- will the players respect a woman?) It’s dumb that it’s a consideration but it is what it is- I think they would
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Post by texs31 on Jun 2, 2021 12:15:26 GMT -5
Someone mentioned Kara Lawson as well. Was with the C's for a couple of years.
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Post by ianrs on Jun 2, 2021 12:21:18 GMT -5
Honestly I'd make a run at Becky Hammon. Comes from the Popovich tree, high basketball IQ, still pretty young and reports are that she's pretty chill, you don't need someone coming in and shouting at Brown and Smart. Was going to suggest Hammon - think she would be an excellent choice.
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2021 12:25:37 GMT -5
Honestly I'd make a run at Becky Hammon. Comes from the Popovich tree, high basketball IQ, still pretty young and reports are that she's pretty chill, you don't need someone coming in and shouting at Brown and Smart. Hammon, Cassell, L Pierce, or Juwan Howard would all be fine by me I could see the Spurs ponying up and giving Hammon a big raise and promise though.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 12:32:44 GMT -5
If we were rebuilding I wouldn't mind a coach without NBA head coaching experience, yet right now I want a coach who has that experience. The long-term future of this franchise depends on getting the right coach. A coach that is ready next year.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 2, 2021 12:43:51 GMT -5
Someone mentioned Kara Lawson as well. Was with the C's for a couple of years. That would be great but she just got the Duke gig, I doubt she's an option.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 13:02:09 GMT -5
I have to mention Dave Joerger. I don't know if he's the right guy, yet I love how he gets his players to play. Defensive coach who has his guys play hard game in and game out. Both the Grizz and Kings got worse after he left.
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Post by cdj on Jun 2, 2021 13:32:57 GMT -5
I dig Taylor Jenkins as a coach, Woj said to keep an eye on people still coaching in the playoffs
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Post by voiceofreason on Jun 2, 2021 13:44:20 GMT -5
Looking back on Celtics history, Bill Fitch was the right coach with a young team in the early 80's and he had some success before resigning. Former player KC Jones was next and he was the right coach for an older team. Fitch was more the teacher, KC knew how to handdle the players.
I think the next coach should be a former player.
And not what people want to hear but the J's peak years are a few years down the road. Which coincides with todays top superstars being at the end of their careers. Who will be the best players in the league from 2024-2027, Tatum will be top 5, will Brown be top 10. A different time projectory but with the roster they have and the youth, maybe being patient is the right move. Clear out cap space for a FA that wants to play with the J's.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 2, 2021 13:48:23 GMT -5
If we were rebuilding I wouldn't mind a coach without NBA head coaching experience, yet right now I want a coach who has that experience. The long-term future of this franchise depends on getting the right coach. A coach that is ready next year. The Celtics are not in win now mode. The focus should be on a coach that can instill a good offensive system like we had in the earlier Stevens years. That's the main thing we lacked, it's tough to fault too much our defense when it was pedestrian even with the shifting personnel. But the offense was absolutely GONE. They don't need experience, they need someone with a long term plan on offense.
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Post by mobaz on Jun 2, 2021 14:22:53 GMT -5
Chauncey Billups seems to have a great head, I'd be game for him. I don't know how much Cassell has chilled from his playing days, but he wasn't always even keeled if I remember. See some KG wishcasting/chatter too.
Kidd was consistently over his head in Brooklyn (remember he spilled his coke to make a timeout) and seemed chased away rather fast in Milwaukee and the team took steps forward as soon as he was gone.
I always thought Dave Joerger's teams way overachieved but he was also dumped unceremoniously with rumors he was impossible to work with.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 14:25:47 GMT -5
If we were rebuilding I wouldn't mind a coach without NBA head coaching experience, yet right now I want a coach who has that experience. The long-term future of this franchise depends on getting the right coach. A coach that is ready next year. The Celtics are not in win now mode. The focus should be on a coach that can instill a good offensive system like we had in the earlier Stevens years. That's the main thing we lacked, it's tough to fault too much our defense when it was pedestrian even with the shifting personnel. But the offense was absolutely GONE. They don't need experience, they need someone with a long term plan on offense. So you think they are what rebuilding? 100% they are in win now mode. I really can't believe you just said that. They might not be in sell the farm win at all cost mode, yet if you aren't trying to win now you're stupid. That's how you get players asking to be traded. Steven's had a system, he either changed it or the players just tuned him out. I don't know the full story, yet I'm rather confident that will come out shortly. I guess if you want to rebuild experience doesn't matter, I think that’s crazy.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 14:31:36 GMT -5
Chauncey Billups seems to have a great head, I'd be game for him. I don't know how much Cassell has chilled from his playing days, but he wasn't always even keeled if I remember. See some KG wishcasting/chatter too. Kidd was consistently over his head in Brooklyn (remember he spilled his coke to make a timeout) and seemed chased away rather fast in Milwaukee and the team took steps forward as soon as he was gone. I always thought Dave Joerger's teams way overachieved but he was also dumped unceremoniously with rumors he was impossible to work with. A coach making a team better than it's talent is the best trait for a coach. Doc Rivers did it with the Magic, Steven's did it for years. It's why Dave Joerger has always impressed me. Watching him build up the Kings to then have Luke Walton destroy them has been funny to watch. You saw it coming from day one.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 14:43:02 GMT -5
I really want head coaching experience, yet if you want to throw that out, yeah Chauncey Billups seems like a great choice. I can see him becoming a Doc Rivers type coach. He's going to have the players respect and if he coaches the way he played, you have to love that.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 2, 2021 14:45:14 GMT -5
I just saw the big news, and although the specific details are surprising (Ainge stepping down, Stevens moving up), the outcome is not. It has been clear this team hasn't been paying attention to Stevens for a long time. So... what's next??? Changes had to happen...glad of that.
It will be critically important to get Jason and Jaylen to buy in to the new coach and listen and put forth max effort...that will define their leadership and respect.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jun 2, 2021 14:47:20 GMT -5
So you think they are what rebuilding? 100% they are in win now mode. I really can't believe you just said that. They might not be in sell the farm win at all cost mode, yet if you aren't trying to win now you're stupid. That's how you get players asking to be traded. Steven's had a system, he either changed it or the players just tuned him out. I don't know the full story, yet I'm rather confident that will come out shortly. I guess if you want to rebuild experience doesn't matter, I think that’s crazy. They're not rebuilding, they're BUILDING. Tatum is 23, Brown is 24. Win now is probably 2-3 years away. Just to clarify here so there's no confusing what I'm saying, I think every move they make should be one to improve the team. They flat out need more talent and they need to figure out what the heck they will do with Kemba. However, there shouldn't be any pressure to win the next season considering how young the core is. That's why they should value any coach that can bring in a system they want to put in place, not someone who can get them to overachieve or shout at them really hard. They need an identity. Sure, ideally a proven coach is always preferential, but those are harder to come by and I'd rather take a shot at someone with no experience like Hammon and even Billups than someone with meh experience like Kidd and Pierce as long as they come in with a long term plan.
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Post by bcsox on Jun 2, 2021 15:00:16 GMT -5
we are all underestimating what a player controlled league this is. Whoever the coach is, it will not be finalized until Tatum, and possibly Jaylen give him their blessing.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jun 2, 2021 15:14:47 GMT -5
So you think they are what rebuilding? 100% they are in win now mode. I really can't believe you just said that. They might not be in sell the farm win at all cost mode, yet if you aren't trying to win now you're stupid. That's how you get players asking to be traded. Steven's had a system, he either changed it or the players just tuned him out. I don't know the full story, yet I'm rather confident that will come out shortly. I guess if you want to rebuild experience doesn't matter, I think that’s crazy. They're not rebuilding, they're BUILDING. Tatum is 23, Brown is 24. Win now is probably 2-3 years away. Just to clarify here so there's no confusing what I'm saying, I think every move they make should be one to improve the team. They flat out need more talent and they need to figure out what the heck they will do with Kemba. However, there shouldn't be any pressure to win the next season considering how young the core is. That's why they should value any coach that can bring in a system they want to put in place, not someone who can get them to overachieve or shout at them really hard. They need an identity. Sure, ideally a proven coach is always preferential, but those are harder to come by and I'd rather take a shot at someone with no experience like Hammon and even Billups than someone with meh experience like Kidd and Pierce as long as they come in with a long term plan. If your building then you're trying to win! You don't bring in better players if players don't see you winning. I truly believe us winning and getting back to a team on the rise next year is crazy important. It's Boston, they have like 4-5 good months of weather a year, you need to be winning for players to want to come here. This isn’t Baseball where the season plays out in the best months of the year. The players are here for the worst months, I myself wonder why I stay in Massachusetts. I could talk myself into Billups he checks so many boxes. I can't get on board with Hammon, that would be a media circus.
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