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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 23, 2021 18:27:32 GMT -5
JRich has signed a 1 yr extension. Go home, Brad. You're drunk. Smart extension |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 23, 2021 18:35:32 GMT -5
Smarts trade kicker is only worth 1m so that’s not so bad.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 23, 2021 18:44:09 GMT -5
Good players with tradable contracts.
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Post by cdj on Aug 23, 2021 18:52:27 GMT -5
Good players with tradable contracts. Exactly. It’s easy for them to match salaries now |
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Post by mobaz on Aug 23, 2021 19:41:34 GMT -5
I don't really want either of them to be my 3rd best player... I don't understand this criticism of basketball players. Is Smart not as valuable because he's expected to be the 3rd best player on the team? I just wish we had a better 3rd player. Smart's deal is fair and I like him and I still wish they had someone a bit better. |
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Post by gator39 on Aug 23, 2021 20:58:30 GMT -5
I forget who it was earlier in this thread that Richardson was buried on the depth chart, but I think this extension indicates otherwise.
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Post by philarhody on Aug 23, 2021 22:08:30 GMT -5
JRich has signed a 1 yr extension. Go home, Brad. You're drunk. Smart extension. Next year’s free agency class is turning into a pupu platter. Another tradeable contract. |
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Post by texs31 on Aug 24, 2021 8:05:18 GMT -5
Just a bit of C's bookkeeping today as 100K of Parker's contract guarantees today.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 24, 2021 10:32:02 GMT -5
So was the media wrong or did Stevens just do a 180?
When is the time table on Al Horfords deal in regards to the $26.5 and 14.5 part? New NBA rules say only the guaranteed amount counts for trade, so is that last day of this season or the start of the new NBA year? I'm just looking for the last day Horford counts for 26.5 in trade and not 14.5, is it the trade deadline this year?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 24, 2021 13:43:42 GMT -5
Quick look shows you at about 145 million for next year, right at the luxury tax line with 11 contracts with the recent extensions. You can save 12 million with Horford or more if you stretch it. Which if you plan on using the trade exception or mid-level money is likely, unless they dominate next year because that would be one huge luxury tax bill before our two players are even prime age.
Just something to keep an eye on if you're eyeing a Horford trade like I was. You also have some young guys starting to make you wonder money wise, like Langford is $5.6 million and Grant Williams is $3.8 million, big year for those two. That money really starts to matter when you go more than just slightly over the tax line.
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Post by jmei on Aug 24, 2021 15:30:31 GMT -5
So was the media wrong or did Stevens just do a 180? When is the time table on Al Horfords deal in regards to the $26.5 and 14.5 part? New NBA rules say only the guaranteed amount counts for trade, so is that last day of this season or the start of the new NBA year? I'm just looking for the last day Horford counts for 26.5 in trade and not 14.5, is it the trade deadline this year? Short answer is basically yes. Until the 2021/22 trade deadline, Horford’s salary will count $27M (his 21/22 salary, all of which is fully guaranteed) against the cap. After that, it’ll initially only count $14.5M (the guaranteed portion of his 22/23 salary), but, once the 22/23 regular season starts, that will increase in a prorated fashion until the contract becomes fully guaranteed (at which point it will count for the full $26.5M). This source explains it well: www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/03/how-non-guaranteed-salaries-will-affect-trades-in-new-cba.html |
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 24, 2021 20:22:36 GMT -5
With the recent extensions, I am wondering why the Celtics weren’t more willing to negotiate a 2nd year with Dennis Schröder.
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Post by jmei on Aug 24, 2021 20:24:09 GMT -5
With the recent extensions, I am wondering why the Celtics weren’t more willing to negotiate a 2nd year with Dennis Schröder. Schroder is likely the one who wouldn’t want a second year at that limited salary. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 24, 2021 22:25:26 GMT -5
He wanted a two year deal with a player option, yet at full mid-level.
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Post by artfuldodger on Aug 25, 2021 3:22:26 GMT -5
Schroeder was seeking a player option in year 2. Once, he agreed to the $5.9 million starting point, I would have offered him a second year player option with maximum 4.5% increase to generate more goodwill with the player. The Celtics only public reason for not doing so was to limit cap obligations for next year. With the recent extensions, the rationale does not seem valid. www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/celtics-dennis-schroder-agree-to-one-year-deal.html |
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Post by cdj on Aug 25, 2021 5:57:50 GMT -5
Yeah you’d have to double Schroder’s salary to get him to accept two years
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 25, 2021 6:09:26 GMT -5
Schroeder was seeking a player option in year 2. Once, he agreed to the $5.9 million starting point, I would have offered him a second year player option with maximum 4.5% increase to generate more goodwill with the player. The Celtics only public reason for not doing so was to limit cap obligations for next year. With the recent extensions, the rationale does not seem valid. www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/celtics-dennis-schroder-agree-to-one-year-deal.htmlA player option at around 7m would only be exercised if disaster occurred - there’s zero upside to that if you’re the Celtics. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 25, 2021 10:47:01 GMT -5
I'm 100% positive the Celtics would offer Schroder an extension and I'm 100% positive he would decline.
Given the recent extensions, the best way forward is likely the mid-level. After one more year at full mid-level you'd have early bird rights allowing you a 175% increase, which is more than enough. Yet the extensions and that trade exception make a hard cap a real problem.
It just sucks, you likely want to keep Horford and you'd almost always keep him at 14.5 million. Yet at 26.5 million, the writing is on the wall.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 25, 2021 11:29:20 GMT -5
I'm 100% positive the Celtics would offer Schroder an extension and I'm 100% positive he would decline. Given the recent extensions, the best way forward is likely the mid-level. After one more year at full mid-level you'd have early bird rights allowing you a 175% increase, which is more than enough. Yet the extensions and that trade exception make a hard cap a real problem. It just sucks, you likely want to keep Horford and you'd almost always keep him at 14.5 million. Yet at 26.5 million, the writing is on the wall. I believe there is in option to extend Horford to eliminate the non-guaranteed part and add years. I could be wrong but i think there’s a way to keep him not at 26.5 if he’s open to it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 25, 2021 11:45:18 GMT -5
Is Kanter the most undervalued player in the league? He's 80th all-time in win shares per 48. He was 18th in win shares last year at 7.5, go look at the top 20. No one else is close to making the minimum. He's darn good in the regular season when teams don't really game plan much. A big part of last year was you didn't have a big that could score. Danny was so focused on the playoffs, he forgot the regular season. Which really matters, imagine we play the Knicks or Hawks last year, then catch the Nets when Harden and Irving get injured.
He averaged 16.5 points and 16.3 rebounds per 36 minutes last year while shooting 60.5%.
I'm just so confused with guys like KO and Plumlee getting huge deals. I frankly feel darn bad for Kanter, a different era and he's likely a fringe HOF guy.
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Post by jmei on Aug 25, 2021 12:43:36 GMT -5
Honestly that’s more of a reflection of how bad win shares is as a stat. Kanter is a stat stuffer in small samples, but he can’t guard anyone, which means he’s effectively unplayable in high-leverage games.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 25, 2021 14:39:10 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Yes his value greatly decreases in the playoffs, that doesn't change his impact during the regular season. Win shares reflect that, he's 51.4 during the regular season and just 2.8 during the post season. The big issue being he struggles to get major minutes because of his D, when that matters more during the playoffs.
During his year with the Celtics Kanter was positive 1.5 in his box score during the regular season, 1.8 and -.3. That changed to .7 and -1.9 for a -1.2 during the post season. So I don't see why anyone would question the stats. You see Robert Williams and Grant Williams pass him in value during the post season when D matters more.
That doesn't change his value during the regular season and his impact on getting wins. If you believe in playoff seeding and home court advantage I truly think my point stands. The regular season and post season are just different. Only looking at Kanters weaknesses overlooks how good of a scorer and rebounder he is. How crazy efficient he is and how that impacts regular season games. Nevermind the extra value he brings to a team that is jumper happy and can go long stretches without scoring.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 26, 2021 12:41:19 GMT -5
www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_career.htmlSo if win shares is such a bad stat, how does it nail things to that extent? Just like with Baseball with war its certainly not perfect, yet calling it such a bad stat is crazy! Then wanting to use ESPN real plus minus, now there's an advanced stat you should question. It ranks Kanter 47th in offensive real plus minus last year. Yet Kanter had the best offensive rating on his team. Which makes sense, he had the best effective FG percentage on the team, was second in the NBA in offensive rebounds per 36 at 5.8 and limited turnovers. They then go and give him a much better defensive rating and make it seem that Kanter is a much better defensive player than offensive player. You couldn't come up with a more crazy example if you tried. So what stats capture Kanter better Basketball Refrence at 2.0 offensive rating -1.8 defensive per 100 or -.97 and -.05 for ESPN RPM? I think I'll trust Basketball Refrence that creates advanced stats for all sports versus ESPN first try at advanced stats. Nevermind I can't get over how the just wildly adjust stats. Two years ago Tatum spent almost the whole season in the top ten in defensive RPM, then the last update they move him to 23rd. So either they messed up the stats for almost a full year or they are just adjusting crap mid-sesson. Either way they lost my trust.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 27, 2021 7:20:29 GMT -5
Win shares is not a bad stat - people just try to use it poorly. No stat should ever be used by itself and without the proper context around it. Too often, people try to point to win shares as the basis of their argument (good or bad) without any other supporting data, and that’s when the stat becomes “flawed.”
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 27, 2021 7:48:41 GMT -5
Kanter is a great value, when he’s on a league minimum contract. He’s not when he’s not. Case in point, even when he’s just on a tax payer MLE, you need to pay a team to take his contract off your books. When you can’t play a guy in the playoffs, paying him more than league minimum isn’t a good use of resources.
He really can’t play against the good teams in the league (minus one or 2 exceptions) so your left with a guy who’s old school skill set can dominate some lessor opponents or do well in limited minutes during a regular season game that has limited game planning. So he’s a nice player to have on a minimum deal like they do.
If everything breaks right health and schedule wise this season, you can use him in the right matchups to give Horford and/or Williams a night off.
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