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Celtics 2021 Offseason
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Post by voiceofreason on Sept 4, 2021 7:37:09 GMT -5
I like this team more and more with every move Brad makes. If R Williams can stay healthy and play 25+ per game and make some small steps forward they could very good. The depth and versatility is night and day better than last years roster. I also expect Schroeder to fit in perfectly and we will all be talking about how to extend his C's stay into the future is my prediction.
The D has the potential and depth to be top 5. Name the weak link that could be getting a lot of minutes? I see 3 guys who can score but will be liabilities on D, Parker, Kanter and PP. Who knows if Parker will be here but PP and Kanter are so good offensively that you can live with the D on the second unit. I know PP tries and hustles but his size is hard to over come. Everyone else has shown they can get after it on D and with the coach and Horford back it is going to be their calling card.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 6, 2021 14:02:43 GMT -5
I look around the East and frankly I'm shocked that more teams haven't built teams that can play different ways. The Bucks getting another wing so they can go small ball with Giannis. The Sixers just can't with Embiid, yet they doubled down with Drummond. The Nets can't go big as unless their rookie center is money. The Bulls let Lauri Legend go. The Hawks have many options, I'm really liking what they've done. The Knicks in theory can, yet it's crazy extreme and we'll see if that coach can adjust. The Pacers really can't as Sabonis is really just a center to begin with. The Heat have no ability to do anything but Bam. I really like the young guys the Hornets drafted, yet they are likely a few years away and I'm shocked Mason Plumlee was there big target. The Wizard can, yet they lack enough talent to be a true contender.
You really have to love this team if our new coach can get them to gel and can learn how to use the full roster. I have slight worries about Smart, Richardson and Schroder shooting. Pritchard helps offset that somewhat, yet in theory if Nesmith keeps improving that could be a non issue.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 7, 2021 12:10:02 GMT -5
I believe Brad said they were going to let camp invites fight it out for that last 2 way… didn’t use those words. I sure hope they plan on inviting different guys than the ones from the Summer League. It's why I was assuming they'd likely wait to cut down day or if someone got released. I think Moses Wright is available after just signing a summer league deal with the Raptors.
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Post by artfuldodger on Sept 7, 2021 18:30:28 GMT -5
Is a Ben Simmons in hand better than a Bradley Beal in the bush?
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Post by cdj on Sept 7, 2021 19:21:17 GMT -5
Is a Ben Simmons in hand better than a Bradley Beal in the bush? They’d never move Simmons here but I think so depending on the probability of landing Beal
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Post by texs31 on Sept 8, 2021 8:36:27 GMT -5
C's sign Juwan Morgan to an Ex 10 deal (training camp invite). Saw time in Utah's playoff run of 2020 (including 2 starts).
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 8, 2021 10:09:22 GMT -5
Is a Ben Simmons in hand better than a Bradley Beal in the bush? They’d never move Simmons here but I think so depending on the probability of landing Beal Ben Simmons feels like the kind of guy who wouldn’t stay here anyways.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 8, 2021 10:58:23 GMT -5
C's sign Juwan Morgan to an Ex 10 deal (training camp invite). Saw time in Utah's playoff run of 2020 (including 2 starts). Luke Kornet also signs a camp deal.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 8, 2021 11:36:47 GMT -5
Would you rather sign a raw developmental prospect or a guy who can be depth in case of emergency but has a super low ceiling to that second 2 way?
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2021 11:44:00 GMT -5
Would you rather sign a raw developmental prospect or a guy who can be depth in case of emergency but has a super low ceiling to that second 2 way? During this COVID year, I think you’d prefer the low-ceiling, high-floor guy who can fill in when half the team is in quarantine. Besides, they have enough young developmental players with Langford, Neismith, Fernando, etc. (even Williams and Pritchard to an extent).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 8, 2021 12:22:52 GMT -5
Would you rather sign a raw developmental prospect or a guy who can be depth in case of emergency but has a super low ceiling to that second 2 way? I'd say someone in the middle, guys like David Duke Jr. and Moses Wright. I'm a big believer that two way contracts should be emergency depth, yet also have upside for the future. Who can you sign for the 16th and 17th spot that will give you enough value right now that doesn't have upside? You can only have three years or fewer service time. The only guys I can come up with are Euro guys, yet I don't see you getting a good one on a two way contract. Yet if you could get that former Wisconsin player that was brought up earlier or Theis type guy sure.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 8, 2021 13:38:39 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/warriors-turn-down-lofty-ben-simmons-trade-offer-from-76ers/ar-AAMItJoJust a reminder how crazy the 76ers demands have been, Wiggins, Wiseman, both lottery picks and two more firsts. I'm assuming the Spurs deal was Murray with 4 firsts and 3 pick swaps. Those were take it or leave it offers, not the start of talks. Reports saying Minnesota wants to pair Towns, Edwards and Russell with Simmons. So that's Beasley and a ton of picks and swaps. I wouldn't be surprised to see them break records trading draft picks, 5 firsts and 3 pick swaps. Might be the best long-term value, yet Embiid will be the next one asking for a trade. If I had to bet based on what's best for the 76ers you go get Murray or CJ. Murray is a lesser Simmons, I'm sure you could sell that plus the picks to make a future trade. This is where you see if Rich Paul has any clue as an agent. He should be forcing Simmons to certain teams because he needs the right mix around him. I can't see why you'd want him in Minnesota, even if on paper it makes sense. Spurs make sense long-term, yet that team isn't good and the picks leaving would slow the rebuild. Portland and Warriors make short-term sense. Shouldn't you want Simmons in Boston? It's a defensive team, with two young All-Star scorers. It makes sense short-term and long-term. It makes horrible sense for the 76ers and if I was GM I wouldn't even discuss it. At the same time you have to worry Simmons could go the Rondo way if he doesn't figure out his FT issues. Last three playoff years 70.7%, 57.5% and 34.2% in 12 games last year. FG attempts per playoff game 12.5, 9.7 and 7.9, points 16.3, 13.9 and 11.9. It got so bad in the Hawks series he was down to 6.4 FG attempts and 9.9 points. He was turning down easy shots to pass, just like Rondo did with his FT issues. That's a huge worry. You want the 2018 guy, the 2021 guy might do more harm than good. If Simmons won't attack the basket relentlessly his value tanks. I'd certainly build an offer around Smart, yet I wouldn't go crazy. I have big worries if he has the mental toughness he needs. I just can't get the Hawks games out of my head and that his fear of 3 point shooting has now blended into his FT shooting.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 8, 2021 14:56:21 GMT -5
Some talk he wants to go to Cleveland to a) be THE guy and b) pair with his buddy Darius Garland.
I'm guessing Cleveland would give up Sexton given uncertainty over his next contract but that frontcourt combination would be . . . something.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 8, 2021 16:34:54 GMT -5
Some talk he wants to go to Cleveland to a) be THE guy and b) pair with his buddy Darius Garland. I'm guessing Cleveland would give up Sexton given uncertainty over his next contract but that frontcourt combination would be . . . something. I actually like that. If the cost is Sexton, Love and Picks. Solid guy in Garland, a maybe star in Mobley, the Lauri Legend trade would look a lot better. The Cavs fans likely fully embrace him. You likely have to trade Allen, yet that makes a lot sense for the Cavs and Simmons. Sexton fits with Embiid, yet talk about one extreme to another. Doc would be great for Sexton, yet this has to feel like a let down.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 8, 2021 22:18:58 GMT -5
Does Sexton really fit with Embiid? I mean, at some level of course he does because he's a great player, but he's a bit of a ball hog, his defense is flat out atrocious and he doesn't shoot a lot from 3.
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Post by cdj on Sept 9, 2021 1:34:53 GMT -5
I think Simmons and Garland would fit very well with each other, they seem to complement each other well
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2021 8:16:03 GMT -5
Some talk he wants to go to Cleveland to a) be THE guy and b) pair with his buddy Darius Garland. I'm guessing Cleveland would give up Sexton given uncertainty over his next contract but that frontcourt combination would be . . . something. I actually like that. If the cost is Sexton, Love and Picks. Solid guy in Garland, a maybe star in Mobley, the Lauri Legend trade would look a lot better. The Cavs fans likely fully embrace him. You likely have to trade Allen, yet that makes a lot sense for the Cavs and Simmons. Sexton fits with Embiid, yet talk about one extreme to another. Doc would be great for Sexton, yet this has to feel like a let down. I like this trade idea for both sides. Why are we saying trading Allen would be a necessity? Mobley just turned 20, how bout not putting too much pressure on him and letting him develop. A rotation of Allen, Mobley and Lauri at the 4/5 still leaves room for Simmons to play some at the 4. Also, Lauri is good to miss 20 games a year. Plus, Allen and Simmons together helps that defense tremendously.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2021 8:17:28 GMT -5
Would you rather sign a raw developmental prospect or a guy who can be depth in case of emergency but has a super low ceiling to that second 2 way? During this COVID year, I think you’d prefer the low-ceiling, high-floor guy who can fill in when half the team is in quarantine. Besides, they have enough young developmental players with Langford, Neismith, Fernando, etc. (even Williams and Pritchard to an extent). Hauser fits into this category too.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 9, 2021 12:26:27 GMT -5
Does Sexton really fit with Embiid? I mean, at some level of course he does because he's a great player, but he's a bit of a ball hog, his defense is flat out atrocious and he doesn't shoot a lot from 3. Just my opinion yet that team needs a second go to scorer, they miss Jimmy Butler. I think Doc is one of the best in the NBA at helping young PGs. There's no physical reason he needs to be that bad on D, it really comes off as your typical best scorer on a horrible team. He's a three level scorer, 48% of his shots are jumpers of 10 feet or more and he's got one of the best mid-range games in the NBA. He's shooting numbers are good, I don't think he's a Jimmy Butler that can't increase his 3 point attempts. Given the reports on the teams in play and the options I think he is. I'd take him over CJ McCollum based on age and that he's a better three level scorer.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 9, 2021 12:49:17 GMT -5
I actually like that. If the cost is Sexton, Love and Picks. Solid guy in Garland, a maybe star in Mobley, the Lauri Legend trade would look a lot better. The Cavs fans likely fully embrace him. You likely have to trade Allen, yet that makes a lot sense for the Cavs and Simmons. Sexton fits with Embiid, yet talk about one extreme to another. Doc would be great for Sexton, yet this has to feel like a let down. I like this trade idea for both sides. Why are we saying trading Allen would be a necessity? Mobley just turned 20, how bout not putting too much pressure on him and letting him develop. A rotation of Allen, Mobley and Lauri at the 4/5 still leaves room for Simmons to play some at the 4. Also, Lauri is good to miss 20 games a year. Plus, Allen and Simmons together helps that defense tremendously. I think Mobley is a star in the making and he's a very advanced ready to play player. He's not a Robert Williams or Jaylen Brown type guy, he's closer to Tatum. I'm playing him 30 plus minutes a night. He's that teams future with or without Simmons. I say you likely have to trade Allen because I don't see how you can play Allen and Simmons 30 minutes a game together. Sure they can play together for stretches, I just don't see how that works long-term. Allen just signed a massive deal for five years. So unless you think Allen can develop some range, you likely have to trade him. I just don’t see how in today's NBA you can play two guys together big minutes when they both take about 90% of their shots inside ten feet. Remember the 76ers kept moving Embiid to the three point line to give spacing for Simmons.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2021 12:51:24 GMT -5
I think people underrated how much instincts plays a role on defense. Yes, effort matters and it can get better (as can instincts). Take a guy like Jaylen, strong on ball defender, pretty bad as a help/off the ball defender. Tatum is kind of the opposite, better off the ball.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 9, 2021 12:55:59 GMT -5
I like this trade idea for both sides. Why are we saying trading Allen would be a necessity? Mobley just turned 20, how bout not putting too much pressure on him and letting him develop. A rotation of Allen, Mobley and Lauri at the 4/5 still leaves room for Simmons to play some at the 4. Also, Lauri is good to miss 20 games a year. Plus, Allen and Simmons together helps that defense tremendously. I think Mobley is a star in the making and he's a very advanced ready to play player. He's not a Robert Williams or Jaylen Brown type guy, he's closer to Tatum. I'm playing him 30 plus minutes a night. He's that teams future with or without Simmons. I say you likely have to trade Allen because I don't see how you can play Allen and Simmons 30 minutes a game together. Sure they can play together for stretches, I just don't see how that works long-term. Allen just signed a massive deal for five years. So unless you think Allen can develop some range, you likely have to trade him. I just don’t see how in today's NBA you can play two guys together big minutes when they both take about 90% of their shots inside ten feet. Remember the 76ers kept moving Embiid to the three point line to give spacing for Simmons. If you stagger minutes, and they both get 30 a game then theoretically, they only need to play 12 together.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 9, 2021 16:15:08 GMT -5
I think people underrated how much instincts plays a role on defense. Yes, effort matters and it can get better (as can instincts). Take a guy like Jaylen, strong on ball defender, pretty bad as a help/off the ball defender. Tatum is kind of the opposite, better off the ball. I like Sextons ability one one one, went back and watched him really drive Trae Young nuts in College. He used to pick up guys full court like Avery Bradley. Off the ball was his biggest issue in College. He plays physical and was good at switching. My two cents one on one D is where the instincts come in. Just like with Brown when the ball isn't there they lose focus and frankly effort. I just have to say, I think Tatum at PF is both, a monster one on one and team D. I will admit, that changes when he plays SF, he loses that quickness advantage. I do fully agree that Browns impact is more give him a certain guy to shutdown. From Reddick years ago to more recently Siakam, he can shutdown certain players and that's where his biggest defensive moments have come from. Play him one on one and forget playing him in space with zone Sexton isn't Parker and just like when we talked about him to the Celtics I think he can actually play decent to good D down the road. Doc will work his magic on him.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 9, 2021 16:23:37 GMT -5
I think Mobley is a star in the making and he's a very advanced ready to play player. He's not a Robert Williams or Jaylen Brown type guy, he's closer to Tatum. I'm playing him 30 plus minutes a night. He's that teams future with or without Simmons. I say you likely have to trade Allen because I don't see how you can play Allen and Simmons 30 minutes a game together. Sure they can play together for stretches, I just don't see how that works long-term. Allen just signed a massive deal for five years. So unless you think Allen can develop some range, you likely have to trade him. I just don’t see how in today's NBA you can play two guys together big minutes when they both take about 90% of their shots inside ten feet. Remember the 76ers kept moving Embiid to the three point line to give spacing for Simmons. If you stagger minutes, and they both get 30 a game then theoretically, they only need to play 12 together. You might do that for a year, yet how many teams do that with two of their better players and two of the guys earning the most money? It's just going to become harder during the playoffs as Simmons gets closer to playing 40 minutes. I see nothing but issues going forward unless Allen can develop range and there is some slight hope there. He's actually willing to take some, so he's already better than Simmons.
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 10, 2021 5:19:24 GMT -5
If you stagger minutes, and they both get 30 a game then theoretically, they only need to play 12 together. You might do that for a year, yet how many teams do that with two of their better players and two of the guys earning the most money? It's just going to become harder during the playoffs as Simmons gets closer to playing 40 minutes. I see nothing but issues going forward unless Allen can develop range and there is some slight hope there. He's actually willing to take some, so he's already better than Simmons. If you’re the Cavs, you figure that out later. Let’s let Mobley actually play first and if he becomes a star quickly that’s great, but trading Allen preemptively makes little sense. Also, we’ve listed all the reasons to be skeptical of Simmons so maybe he’s the one not working or maybe you know he’s not staying in Cleveland for another contract so these next couple years are rehabbing his value and you can flip him for a bigger return and still build with Allen and Mobley upfront.
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