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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 10, 2021 13:51:45 GMT -5
You might do that for a year, yet how many teams do that with two of their better players and two of the guys earning the most money? It's just going to become harder during the playoffs as Simmons gets closer to playing 40 minutes. I see nothing but issues going forward unless Allen can develop range and there is some slight hope there. He's actually willing to take some, so he's already better than Simmons. If you’re the Cavs, you figure that out later. Let’s let Mobley actually play first and if he becomes a star quickly that’s great, but trading Allen preemptively makes little sense. Also, we’ve listed all the reasons to be skeptical of Simmons so maybe he’s the one not working or maybe you know he’s not staying in Cleveland for another contract so these next couple years are rehabbing his value and you can flip him for a bigger return and still build with Allen and Mobley upfront. Like I said, they likely have to trade Allen. The timetable isn't right this second. You'd be crazy to do the latter, not for what he'll cost in trade. Yet there are some horrible GMs, so who knows. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 10, 2021 18:29:47 GMT -5
I don't think they can trade Allen right now because they gave him such an extravagant extension. He needs to show he's worth that money first and spoilers I don't think he is.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2021 10:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2021 10:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by texs31 on Sept 14, 2021 13:47:04 GMT -5
Houston and Wall are working together to find his next team, per sources. I'm fascinated to see how the Rockets pull this off.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 14, 2021 22:39:35 GMT -5
Houston and Wall are working together to find his next team, per sources. I'm fascinated to see how the Rockets pull this off. Reports saying they don't want to move picks and a buyout if one happens won't be till after free agency next year. You can't say its impossible given what's happen recently, yet I just don't see it. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 15, 2021 9:46:21 GMT -5
Aaron Gordon got a 4/92m extension from Denver. What am I missing with him? Is he a stud defender or something?
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Post by jmei on Sept 15, 2021 12:01:23 GMT -5
Excellent, versatile defender who does a lot of little things well on offense. A slight overpay but tolerable for a team that is capped out anyways.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 15, 2021 13:34:47 GMT -5
Gordon's contract is interesting in the context of Smart. If the Celtics had traded for Gordon instead of Fournier it might have been the exact choice the Celts would have had to make. Gordon is a little more independently valuable on offense, but I trust Smart's D and hustle more. For a capped out team's 3rd best player I like Smart at cost more than Gordon at cost.
The Cap creep and Good-Not-Great contract creep means we might get back to people getting the Max that have no business getting it.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2021 13:50:39 GMT -5
I feel bad for the guy, from one dominant low post scorer to another. I just don’t think that's the perfect fit for him in today's NBA. You just take away his ability to use that versatility on offense and D. If you can't move him around from the 3-5 on offense and defense you just aren't using him to his full abilities. He's like a perfect example of a small ball center, yet he's played almost no center his entire career. That won't change much in Denver unless Jokic gets injured.
Just my two cents, yet that's a contract for what they hope he can become. That his best years are still to come. Better team with better coaching can finally unlock more talent.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2021 13:59:07 GMT -5
Gordon's contract is interesting in the context of Smart. If the Celtics had traded for Gordon instead of Fournier it might have been the exact choice the Celts would have had to make. Gordon is a little more independently valuable on offense, but I trust Smart's D and hustle more. For a capped out team's 3rd best player I like Smart at cost more than Gordon at cost. The Cap creep and Good-Not-Great contract creep means we might get back to people getting the Max that have no business getting it. He's got a long way to go to become that teams third best player. Jokic, Murray and Porter Jr. are all way better. Heck you can debate where he ranks with Barton and Morris, like it's no given he's even the 4th best player. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 15, 2021 14:43:50 GMT -5
Gordon's contract is interesting in the context of Smart. If the Celtics had traded for Gordon instead of Fournier it might have been the exact choice the Celts would have had to make. Gordon is a little more independently valuable on offense, but I trust Smart's D and hustle more. For a capped out team's 3rd best player I like Smart at cost more than Gordon at cost. The Cap creep and Good-Not-Great contract creep means we might get back to people getting the Max that have no business getting it. He's got a long way to go to become that teams third best player. Jokic, Murray and Porter Jr. are all way better. Heck you can debate where he ranks with Barton and Morris, like it's no given he's even the 4th best player. Porter is definitely better, good point, I forgot about him. Gordon better be better than Barton and Morris at 4/92. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 15, 2021 14:57:51 GMT -5
Murray is out for the year right?
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Post by cdj on Sept 15, 2021 17:39:09 GMT -5
They run everything through Jokic anyway but I wonder if Point Gordon shows up this year with Murray’s injury. He showed stretches of facilitating ability with the magic
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 15, 2021 23:26:21 GMT -5
Murray is out for the year right? I haven't seen that, just your typical 9-12 months. Which would be half season till about the start of the playoffs. |
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Post by mobaz on Sept 21, 2021 11:46:34 GMT -5
Ben Simmons is officially a holdout. And to think not that long ago I (very) briefly thought Philly was better off than the Celtics...
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Post by cdj on Sept 21, 2021 16:09:45 GMT -5
#TrustTheProcess lol
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 22, 2021 2:23:16 GMT -5
Be very grateful the 76ers messed everything up. The Fultz trade up, the Harris and Butler trades, messing up on free agency multiple times. Imagine just picking Ball over Fultz. It's going to suck if they get nothing when they had Embiid, Simmons, Covington, Saric, a boatload of picks and max cap space. That's how you draw it up.
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Post by cdj on Sept 22, 2021 11:15:39 GMT -5
Theo Pinson is coming to camp
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Post by ianrs on Sept 22, 2021 18:03:49 GMT -5
Be very grateful the 76ers messed everything up. The Fultz trade up, the Harris and Butler trades, messing up on free agency multiple times. Imagine just picking Ball over Fultz. It's going to suck if they get nothing when they had Embiid, Simmons, Covington, Saric, a boatload of picks and max cap space. That's how you draw it up. Imagine their team in an alternate timeline where they have Embiid, Simmons, Tatum, and Mikal Bridges. They would've been unstoppable. Or even the universe where they keep Jimmy over Tobias. Wild. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 22, 2021 18:15:59 GMT -5
I lived in Philly for the tank for Allen Iverson year and a few years after that. That team is worse than the Mets. They'll be almost good and screw everything up.
And the year after AI,
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Shawn Bradley
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 22, 2021 19:45:14 GMT -5
Be very grateful the 76ers messed everything up. The Fultz trade up, the Harris and Butler trades, messing up on free agency multiple times. Imagine just picking Ball over Fultz. It's going to suck if they get nothing when they had Embiid, Simmons, Covington, Saric, a boatload of picks and max cap space. That's how you draw it up. Imagine their team in an alternate timeline where they have Embiid, Simmons, Tatum, and Mikal Bridges. They would've been unstoppable. Or even the universe where they keep Jimmy over Tobias. Wild. Butler wanted out that wasn’t the Sixers decision. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 22, 2021 20:41:44 GMT -5
Gary Clark worked out for the Celtics. I liked him at Cincy, tough player. Not sure he’s an NBA talent though. Probably could do well in China
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Post by texs31 on Sept 24, 2021 8:36:26 GMT -5
Cs bringing Ryan Arcidiacono and Garrison Matthews in on non guaranteed deals.
But I think that brings the total to 21 which isnt possible. No official announcement on Kornet so it's possible that didnt actually happen.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2021 10:32:02 GMT -5
Imagine their team in an alternate timeline where they have Embiid, Simmons, Tatum, and Mikal Bridges. They would've been unstoppable. Or even the universe where they keep Jimmy over Tobias. Wild. Butler wanted out that wasn’t the Sixers decision. He wanted out because he didn't like the coach and front office, which they fired shortly after he left. |
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