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Celtics 2021 Offseason
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 8, 2021 22:13:39 GMT -5
Kyrie cleared for practice, f*ck the world. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 9, 2021 10:09:36 GMT -5
nesn.com/2021/06/kemba-walker-celtics-knee-injury-bill-simmons-podcast/nesn.com/2021/06/celtics-kemba-walker-both-want-trade-nba/nesn.com/2021/06/kemba-walker-brad-stevens-iffy-relationship/This is basically common knowledge at this point, there are so many articles on it. Celtics get pissed he does nothing for months with the shutdown. Walker gets pissed they talked about trading him. Walker get pissed Brad wants him to work on his D. Walker get pissed that fans are booing. Walker has a tension filled relationship with Brad. They both want to move on. First thing Stevens does as GM is ship him out of town as fast as he can. Kemba Walker is just pissed at everything, his superstar career days are over. There are no other reports talking about other players. We should blame Stevens because Walker is just pissed off? I think everyone can agree he needed to improve his D. Team started off 8-3, then would go 28-33 once Walker came back. I'm not seeing reports on other players. So it sure seems given the massive amount of information we have, that Walker tanked the lockeroom and got them to tune out Stevens because he was pissed off at everything. So Kemba was upset because they tried to trade him the next offseason after he signed when he had played injured for them, and now it’s his fault the locker room had issues? So if any player is upset, then the locker room falls apart? It’s literally the coaches job to make sure that does not happen. It’s 80% of their job. Also was Kemba upset Brad tried to get him to play better D or was he upset that he let other guys get away with stuff he didn’t let him get away with? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2021 10:26:06 GMT -5
There's no need to be speculating on that. We can't pinpoint the team's shortcomings perpetually at "locker room dysfunction" and we especially shouldn't do that laying the fault at a player who's not even here anymore. Kemba just didn't make sense for this roster, he's an undersized score first ball dominant guard. And you have 2 of the best wings in the NBA next to him being relegated to ISO or pop up Js. That was not the optimal way to maximize them. Who's speculating? Those reports lay it out. The two of you were speculating about Stevens. This feels like Irving all over again, you shouldn't give players getting paid massive amounts of money a pass when they blow up teams. Chemistry and teamwork matter, heck it might be the most important thing in the NBA. A good coach like Stevens can make magic happen like 2018 and 2020. I just don’t get it, let's make up stuff on Stevens yet we shouldn't call out the players. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 9, 2021 10:47:05 GMT -5
nesn.com/2021/06/kemba-walker-celtics-knee-injury-bill-simmons-podcast/nesn.com/2021/06/celtics-kemba-walker-both-want-trade-nba/nesn.com/2021/06/kemba-walker-brad-stevens-iffy-relationship/This is basically common knowledge at this point, there are so many articles on it. Celtics get pissed he does nothing for months with the shutdown. Walker gets pissed they talked about trading him. Walker get pissed Brad wants him to work on his D. Walker get pissed that fans are booing. Walker has a tension filled relationship with Brad. They both want to move on. First thing Stevens does as GM is ship him out of town as fast as he can. Kemba Walker is just pissed at everything, his superstar career days are over. There are no other reports talking about other players. We should blame Stevens because Walker is just pissed off? I think everyone can agree he needed to improve his D. Team started off 8-3, then would go 28-33 once Walker came back. I'm not seeing reports on other players. So it sure seems given the massive amount of information we have, that Walker tanked the lockeroom and got them to tune out Stevens because he was pissed off at everything. So Kemba was upset because they tried to trade him the next offseason after he signed when he had played injured for them, and now it’s his fault the locker room had issues? So if any player is upset, then the locker room falls apart? It’s literally the coaches job to make sure that does not happen. It’s 80% of their job. Also was Kemba upset Brad tried to get him to play better D or was he upset that he let other guys get away with stuff he didn’t let him get away with? Other players weren’t playing worse defense than Kemba… |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 9, 2021 10:48:27 GMT -5
nesn.com/2021/06/kemba-walker-celtics-knee-injury-bill-simmons-podcast/nesn.com/2021/06/celtics-kemba-walker-both-want-trade-nba/nesn.com/2021/06/kemba-walker-brad-stevens-iffy-relationship/This is basically common knowledge at this point, there are so many articles on it. Celtics get pissed he does nothing for months with the shutdown. Walker gets pissed they talked about trading him. Walker get pissed Brad wants him to work on his D. Walker get pissed that fans are booing. Walker has a tension filled relationship with Brad. They both want to move on. First thing Stevens does as GM is ship him out of town as fast as he can. Kemba Walker is just pissed at everything, his superstar career days are over. There are no other reports talking about other players. We should blame Stevens because Walker is just pissed off? I think everyone can agree he needed to improve his D. Team started off 8-3, then would go 28-33 once Walker came back. I'm not seeing reports on other players. So it sure seems given the massive amount of information we have, that Walker tanked the lockeroom and got them to tune out Stevens because he was pissed off at everything. So Kemba was upset because they tried to trade him the next offseason after he signed when he had played injured for them, and now it’s his fault the locker room had issues? So if any player is upset, then the locker room falls apart? It’s literally the coaches job to make sure that does not happen. It’s 80% of their job. Also was Kemba upset Brad tried to get him to play better D or was he upset that he let other guys get away with stuff he didn’t let him get away with? I guess people don't change, you did the exact same thing with Kyrie Irving. Blaming everyone but him. When the highest paid player on your team tunes out the coach it causes issues that can only be fixed one way. Exactly what Stevens did, his first move, you get rid of the player. They tried hard before the season, they tried hard at the deadline and then traded him ASAP after the season. What exactly do you think a coach can do? Are you blaming Steve Nash for Irving once again pulling his crap? You blame the coach when he does something that causes issues. A hallmark of Stevens coaching was being a players coach that got his players to play as a team, everything you want. You don't blame a coach because a player is pissed off because his career as an elite player is over and he acts like a child. Frankly Stevens getting a little tougher on the players is something most people thought he needed to do. This isn’t beer and fried chicken crap like with the Red Sox. I'll give you credit, at least your consistent, always on the coach, it's never the players fault. No matter what they do. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 9, 2021 14:04:47 GMT -5
I’m just trying to understand this statement.
“Stevens did nothing to warrant his team full of adults being paid millions to have them quit on him. ”
Then you blame Walker. Correct this is similar to Kyrie.
A team full of adults.
So one disgruntled player warrants the rest of the team quitting on the coach? Whether it’s Kyrie or Kemba that’s not an excuse for any of the other players not playing well. You seem to think it is. Isn’t it the coaches job to make sure that one guy doesn’t derail the team? So you can say he has a difficult situation to deal with and you can also say he failed at doing it.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 9, 2021 14:07:22 GMT -5
So Kemba was upset because they tried to trade him the next offseason after he signed when he had played injured for them, and now it’s his fault the locker room had issues? So if any player is upset, then the locker room falls apart? It’s literally the coaches job to make sure that does not happen. It’s 80% of their job. Also was Kemba upset Brad tried to get him to play better D or was he upset that he let other guys get away with stuff he didn’t let him get away with? Other players weren’t playing worse defense than Kemba… Other players weren’t playing up to their defensive potential last year. See Jaylen Brown as a prime example. We don’t know how Brad was playing favorites or not. Maybe he wasn’t, maybe he was. We just don’t know. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 9, 2021 14:15:15 GMT -5
Let’s say for a second Kemba did make the team quit on Brad. Why are we ok with giving Brad a pass for having such a fragile relationship with his players that a dude who just got there could ruin it? Pop didn’t lose the Spurs locker room when Leonard quit on the team.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 9, 2021 23:24:04 GMT -5
Who's speculating? Those reports lay it out. The two of you were speculating about Stevens. This feels like Irving all over again, you shouldn't give players getting paid massive amounts of money a pass when they blow up teams. Chemistry and teamwork matter, heck it might be the most important thing in the NBA. A good coach like Stevens can make magic happen like 2018 and 2020. I just don’t get it, let's make up stuff on Stevens yet we shouldn't call out the players. Those reports don't lay out shit other than there was some tension. There's always some tension. Guys have massive egos. I do think the "Kyrie team" had some pretty noticeable locker room dysfunction, although I don't blame it on Kyrie by himself. He's an idiot, true, but that stuff is on everyone, including the coaches. Last year team just wasn't built very well, the roster had a lot of holes and din't maximize the talents of their best players. I get discussions about intangibles when a team undearchives, but considering the injuries and the overall talent pool, it's pretty clear that they didn't underachive last year at all. |
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Post by ianrs on Oct 10, 2021 4:06:54 GMT -5
Romeo looks really good
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2021 8:16:28 GMT -5
Still the youngest player on the team. I say this a lot, but it’s as much to remind me as anything. Before and immediately after, guys are drafted, we always acknowledge that it’s going to take years for most of them to develop. Then after a year or a half year, we start to write them off. It’s hard to keep in the long term mindset as a season or seasons go by. Especially, when they get injured or are not playing games. Not only are these guys developing their skills and adjusting to the NBA game, but their brains are still developing. The part of their brain that helps them process information and apply it, you know the thing we call “slowing the game down”. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2021 8:20:46 GMT -5
So this roster is pretty much set in stone except the final 2 way spot. The only outside possibility is if they want to leave open the option of getting under the tax this season. There’s a path to do it if they really wanted to. If they keep Parker, then I think it’s a pretty clear indication that they aren’t going to bother with it at all. If they cut him then, I think it indicates they MIGHT work to get under the tax line during the year. It’s a small tax bill if they are over but they’d be forfeiting a big pay out from the tax teams. I think it’s projected to be over 10m a team so it’s pretty big money. Then obviously the benefits down the road from a repeater tax perspective.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2021 9:36:31 GMT -5
I’m just trying to understand this statement. “Stevens did nothing to warrant his team full of adults being paid millions to have them quit on him. ” Then you blame Walker. Correct this is similar to Kyrie. A team full of adults. So one disgruntled player warrants the rest of the team quitting on the coach? Whether it’s Kyrie or Kemba that’s not an excuse for any of the other players not playing well. You seem to think it is. Isn’t it the coaches job to make sure that one guy doesn’t derail the team? So you can say he has a difficult situation to deal with and you can also say he failed at doing it. General statement that Stevens didn't do anything crazy, poor choice of words most likely given the information. I shouldn't have used quit. Yet way to pick out one sentence out of context lol. I'm going off reports, don't act like I'm making things up. I'm certainly not the one that made statements not supported by any articles. The team was derailed by lockeroom issues and only Walker is named. I don't think the team quit. Team play and Chemistry are huge in the NBA. Something Stevens has been very good at in his career. Look at Irving, you said basically the same thing about him. Everything is on the coach, I don't buy that. Certain players are cancers and kill teams, no matter what the coach does. They bounced back big time in 2020 with no Irving. I don't think Kemba Walker is Irving, yet it was the perfect storm. I'm surprised he did it, yet it makes sense also. His career as an elite player is over, his role changed and he didn't like it. I bet in time unlike Irving he'll regret what he did because it goes against his whole career as a team guy. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2021 9:46:57 GMT -5
Who's speculating? Those reports lay it out. The two of you were speculating about Stevens. This feels like Irving all over again, you shouldn't give players getting paid massive amounts of money a pass when they blow up teams. Chemistry and teamwork matter, heck it might be the most important thing in the NBA. A good coach like Stevens can make magic happen like 2018 and 2020. I just don’t get it, let's make up stuff on Stevens yet we shouldn't call out the players. Those reports don't lay out shit other than there was some tension. There's always some tension. Guys have massive egos. I do think the "Kyrie team" had some pretty noticeable locker room dysfunction, although I don't blame it on Kyrie by himself. He's an idiot, true, but that stuff is on everyone, including the coaches. Last year team just wasn't built very well, the roster had a lot of holes and din't maximize the talents of their best players. I get discussions about intangibles when a team undearchives, but considering the injuries and the overall talent pool, it's pretty clear that they didn't underachive last year at all. I don't agree. I mean sure it wasn't the perfect built team and had injuries and Covid. Still shouldn't have been a .500 team. With Irving we got to see it, because he literally aired his dirty laundry to the media. This year we just wondered what was going on and now we know. It really does explain what we watched last year. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 10, 2021 12:36:46 GMT -5
I’m just trying to understand this statement. “Stevens did nothing to warrant his team full of adults being paid millions to have them quit on him. ” Then you blame Walker. Correct this is similar to Kyrie. A team full of adults. So one disgruntled player warrants the rest of the team quitting on the coach? Whether it’s Kyrie or Kemba that’s not an excuse for any of the other players not playing well. You seem to think it is. Isn’t it the coaches job to make sure that one guy doesn’t derail the team? So you can say he has a difficult situation to deal with and you can also say he failed at doing it. General statement that Stevens didn't do anything crazy, poor choice of words most likely given the information. I shouldn't have used quit. Yet way to pick out one sentence out of context lol. I'm going off reports, don't act like I'm making things up. I'm certainly not the one that made statements not supported by any articles. The team was derailed by lockeroom issues and only Walker is named. I don't think the team quit. Team play and Chemistry are huge in the NBA. Something Stevens has been very good at in his career. Look at Irving, you said basically the same thing about him. Everything is on the coach, I don't buy that. Certain players are cancers and kill teams, no matter what the coach does. They bounced back big time in 2020 with no Irving. I don't think Kemba Walker is Irving, yet it was the perfect storm. I'm surprised he did it, yet it makes sense also. His career as an elite player is over, his role changed and he didn't like it. I bet in time unlike Irving he'll regret what he did because it goes against his whole career as a team guy. My thing has always been, it’s the coaches job to keep the team together and not let one player derail things and it’s each individual players responsibility for taking care of themselves. I’ll never blame one player for ruining a team. That should be impossible to happen if the rest of the players are professionals. It should be impossible for a new guy to come in and derail a team ,if the coach, that’s been there for 7 years, has created bonds with his players and created a good culture. It’s not one person and if it is then that’s as much a coaching issue as it is anything else. It doesn’t mean Steven’s did something specifically wrong, but it certainly means he didn’t do certain things right to prevent that situation . |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 10, 2021 13:24:58 GMT -5
General statement that Stevens didn't do anything crazy, poor choice of words most likely given the information. I shouldn't have used quit. Yet way to pick out one sentence out of context lol. I'm going off reports, don't act like I'm making things up. I'm certainly not the one that made statements not supported by any articles. The team was derailed by lockeroom issues and only Walker is named. I don't think the team quit. Team play and Chemistry are huge in the NBA. Something Stevens has been very good at in his career. Look at Irving, you said basically the same thing about him. Everything is on the coach, I don't buy that. Certain players are cancers and kill teams, no matter what the coach does. They bounced back big time in 2020 with no Irving. I don't think Kemba Walker is Irving, yet it was the perfect storm. I'm surprised he did it, yet it makes sense also. His career as an elite player is over, his role changed and he didn't like it. I bet in time unlike Irving he'll regret what he did because it goes against his whole career as a team guy. My thing has always been, it’s the coaches job to keep the team together and not let one player derail things and it’s each individual players responsibility for taking care of themselves. I’ll never blame one player for ruining a team. That should be impossible to happen if the rest of the players are professionals. It should be impossible for a new guy to come in and derail a team ,if the coach, that’s been there for 7 years, has created bonds with his players and created a good culture. It’s not one person and if it is then that’s as much a coaching issue as it is anything else. It doesn’t mean Steven’s did something specifically wrong, but it certainly means he didn’t do certain things right to prevent that situation . A few things, take Leonard it's not the same. He was just gone, not a daily issue. I just don't agree, I think one player can easily do that, especially when it's Irving and Walker. Big stars our young players grew up watching. Players the young guys look up too. I'd blame Stevens if it was some lesser player he could just cut. He's just the coach, he can't dump a guy like Jamie Collins like Bill can. Seven years as coach and how many players have been here seven years? It's only Smart right? We had a bunch of new guys and young players. Like I'd agree if we were a few more years down the road and had a veteran team. Guys like Tatum and Brown are still young developing guys, nevermind Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Semi, Nesmith, Langford, Edwards, Waters, Taco, you had Green for a stretch. Unless you feel that Tatum and Brown at their young ages should have been putting Walker in his place. I don't, they are a few years away from that. It's hard, your best player was 22 years old. Yet Stevens brought in team first guys to address those issues. If you don't want to blame the players, I'd blame Ainge and not Stevens. Stevens is known as a players coach that is great at forming chemistry and team play. The issues started with what Ainge did, not that he was wrong, yet it seems to have just snowballed from there. I'm going to defend the best coach the Celtics have had since I started following them 30 years ago. |
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Post by mobaz on Oct 10, 2021 18:29:32 GMT -5
You guys keep missing the real scapegoat, Tristan Thompson. That guy sucked the air out of the room on the court and off. Never sign a Kardashian...
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Post by ianrs on Oct 11, 2021 3:56:40 GMT -5
You guys keep missing the real scapegoat, Tristan Thompson. That guy sucked the air out of the room on the court and off. Never sign a Kardashian... Its actually insane how much better a fit both on and off the court Horford is. Not to mention he's just a way, way better player. Thompson absolutely destroyed our spacing last year. |
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Post by manuelaortiz on Oct 11, 2021 4:15:12 GMT -5
About Horford I agree, very good player!  |
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Post by ianrs on Oct 12, 2021 5:44:24 GMT -5
We're going to shock a ton of people this year FYI
We have the exact formula as the Red Sox -quick turnaround. Added needed roleplayers, young studs get better, new coach, front office improved a ton.
People gonna be real shocked when Romeo is a legit rotation wing and Tatum is a top 3 MVP candidate. Write this down.
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Post by philarhody on Oct 12, 2021 13:41:20 GMT -5
We're going to shock a ton of people this year FYI We have the exact formula as the Red Sox -quick turnaround. Added needed roleplayers, young studs get better, new coach, front office improved a ton. People gonna be real shocked when Romeo is a legit rotation wing and Tatum is a top 3 MVP candidate. Write this down. Don’t forget Nesmith, who is a dog. Or Pritchard, who is a legit point guard. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 12, 2021 14:38:15 GMT -5
Anyone know if Kyrie gets paid for not playing this year?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 12, 2021 15:06:10 GMT -5
Anyone know if Kyrie gets paid for not playing this year? I've seen he'll get paid for road games. Good for the Nets, you can't have a player coming and going. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 12, 2021 16:19:19 GMT -5
Horford joining Jaylen Brown on the Covid List after he's tested positive.
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Post by ianrs on Oct 13, 2021 2:59:24 GMT -5
Horford joining Jaylen Brown on the Covid List after he's tested positive. Lol this is why we can't have nice things. Maybe a blessing it's preseason? |
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