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6/18-6/20 Red Sox @ Royals Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 18, 2021 22:44:36 GMT -5
Interesting question? When was the last time a starting pitcher recorded a win? June 4 - Eovaldi
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jun 18, 2021 22:47:05 GMT -5
Interesting question? When was the last time a starting pitcher recorded a win? June 4 - Eovaldi Bingo!!! 2 full weeks ago.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 18, 2021 23:46:39 GMT -5
That is a pretty nice lineup 1-7. Hopefully they mash tonight so Cora doesn't feel compelled to mess with it going forward. Absolutely agree. And it can be a good lineup 1-8 with the substitution of Duran for Santana. As for the ninth spot, it is suffering and prayer. I wish I had the confidence some of you do that Duran could come up and immediately kill it, but I don't know... The power's there, in Worcester at least, but will it show up against major league pitching? What does a .261 BA in Worcester translate to in the majors?
(But is the low BA just a BABIP thing? His .274 BABIP seems awfully low for an uber-fast lefty.)
ADD: Well, make that a .277 average (and .976 OPS) after tonight. There is one guy in the Worcester lineup who has an even more impressive stat line, I would note...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 19, 2021 1:09:56 GMT -5
Bad game all around.
When the Sox failed to capitalize in the 2nd inning I think it was, when KC threw out Arroyo at home after he hesitated, a chance for a big inning disappeared and KC made them pay for it when Mondesi hit that long 3 run HR.
Pivetta, like just about every start over the past few weeks except for Eovaldi's gem against Toronto, was uninspiring. Yes that 3 run bomb was all he gave up, but it was a 2 out dagger and it followed a walk, to Santana, who by the way, I wouldn't mind seeing in a Red Sox uniform. His ability to draw walks, swing from the left side, and flat out get on base, would be a welcome addition to the lineup. I'd trade Dalbec or Chavis for Santana but I doubt Bloom would.
The umpire cost the Red Sox a bases loaded no out situation when allowed the pitcher to throw 5 balls in one count to Arroyo but refused to let him take his base.
Andriese? He was so impressive in April and so worthless since. At $2.1 he somehow seems overpaid right now. They really could use the April version of him, especially with all of the short starts that he could have piggybacked off of if had pitched better.
Didn't really matter because the Sox didn't string their hits together and when they did finally get a HR it was a solo shot.
I would say that Duran and Carlos Santana added to the lineup with Kiké Hernandez and Marwin Gonzalez subtracted would be ideal.
As far as the rotation goes?? I hope they don't force Bloom into having to make a trade or rely too heavily on Sale. Hope Houck and Seabold get completely healthy (I know Houck is back).
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Post by soxinsf on Jun 19, 2021 2:01:28 GMT -5
Absolutely agree. And it can be a good lineup 1-8 with the substitution of Duran for Santana. As for the ninth spot, it is suffering and prayer. I wish I had the confidence some of you do that Duran could come up and immediately kill it, but I don't know... The power's there, in Worcester at least, but will it show up against major league pitching? What does a .261 BA in Worcester translate to in the majors?
(But is the low BA just a BABIP thing? His .274 BABIP seems awfully low for an uber-fast lefty.)
ADD: Well, make that a .277 average (and .976 OPS) after tonight. There is one guy in the Worcester lineup who has an even more impressive stat line, I would note...
Duran does not need to kill it to be better than Santana or Marwin. And it is time to give up on Kikay as our CF. It becomes increasingly hard to argue that Duran will not be better than that crowd of never wozzers. No one knows for sure. But for goodness sake, it is time to find out. There is no mystery about how little we are getting from what we have now.
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2021 8:28:08 GMT -5
I wish I had the confidence some of you do that Duran could come up and immediately kill it, but I don't know... The power's there, in Worcester at least, but will it show up against major league pitching? What does a .261 BA in Worcester translate to in the majors?
(But is the low BA just a BABIP thing? His .274 BABIP seems awfully low for an uber-fast lefty.)
ADD: Well, make that a .277 average (and .976 OPS) after tonight. There is one guy in the Worcester lineup who has an even more impressive stat line, I would note...
Duran does not need to kill it to be better than Santana or Marwin. And it is time to give up on Kikay as our CF. It becomes increasingly hard to argue that Duran will not be better than that crowd of never wozzers. No one knows for sure. But for goodness sake, it is time to find out. There is no mystery about how little we are getting from what we have now. I mean Duran can hit .210 with mild pop and be better than those guys, but do we want him up if that’s what he is going to do? He’d probably be better suited to continue working on things in AAA in that event Don’t know until you try though and he’s certainly going to make them try sooner rather than later if he keeps this up
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 19, 2021 12:33:38 GMT -5
Pivetta's spin rates last night were down a hair, but nothing too fishy.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2021 13:22:05 GMT -5
Cora. Can't. Help. Himself.
Arroyo made a bonehead move last night but he also got heavily jonesed in two ABs. Despite all that he's still a superior hitter and equally good defender than somebody's bff from back in the day.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2021 13:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2021 13:45:16 GMT -5
It’s a lefty throwing, I don’t understand the outrage
And of all people in that lineup you choose him to rag on over Santana? Against a lefty?? Bizarre
EDIT: DAMN YOU GDT ITS A RIGHTY THROWING. My apologies. Yeah I don’t get this one either
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 19, 2021 14:46:42 GMT -5
The spreadsheets give Kiké and Arroyo just about the exact same projection moving forward.
Whenever the spreadsheets are indifferent between two options, I'm fully comfortable deferring to Cora's judgement as he seems like a good manager of human beings.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2021 14:53:02 GMT -5
He's at the bottom of the lineup. I thought the complaint was just about him leading off. Is the complaint now that Cora's playing Kiké *at all*?
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Post by cdj on Jun 19, 2021 15:19:49 GMT -5
Atta boy X
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2021 15:23:43 GMT -5
Again, don't know how to look up the stats on this, but I would swear I've never seen a team that is more putrid in RISP/1 out situations or a team that's more magnificent when it's RISP/2 outs.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 19, 2021 15:40:49 GMT -5
Is that Kikés first walk of his life?
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2021 15:44:13 GMT -5
I'm always riveted to Dalbec's at bats - I'm so curious to see whether we get Good Bobby or Bad Bobby. The same thing happened for me with JBJ. Streaky hitters are like slot machines - they pay out just enough to keep you feeding the coins. They hack my brain.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2021 15:48:34 GMT -5
It’s a lefty throwing, I don’t understand the outrage And of all people in that lineup you choose him to rag on over Santana? Against a lefty?? Bizarre EDIT: DAMN YOU GDT ITS A RIGHTY THROWING. My apologies. Yeah I don’t get this one either Santana should be sent down and Franchy up to see if his new plate discipline is real or if he’s better suited for the Nippon league. Kiké is, was and always will be a utility guy who should never bat higher than seventh in the order. Arroyo should have second and bat lead-off until he shows he can’t do either. There, I said ir.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2021 15:49:40 GMT -5
I'm always riveted to Dalbec's at bats - I'm so curious to see whether we get Good Bobby or Bad Bobby. The same thing happened for me with JBJ. Streaky hitters are like slot machines - they pay out just enough to keep you feeding the coins. They hack my brain. Dalbec seems quicker/shorter to the ball and swinging in the zone more during the last two-three weeks. Anyone concur?
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Post by manfred on Jun 19, 2021 15:55:01 GMT -5
For all that the announcers are talking like Perez is down, losing confidence, whatever, he’s pitching fine. He’s had some bad calls, too.
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Post by reasonabledoubt on Jun 19, 2021 16:08:23 GMT -5
'froeing error - not charged.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 19, 2021 16:18:21 GMT -5
Itâs a lefty throwing, I donât understand the outrage And of all people in that lineup you choose him to rag on over Santana? Against a lefty?? Bizarre EDIT: DAMN YOU GDT ITS A RIGHTY THROWING. My apologies. Yeah I donât get this one either Santana should be sent down and Franchy up to see if his new plate discipline is real or if heâs better suited for the Nippon league. Kiké is, was and always will be a utility guy who should never bat higher than seventh in the order. Arroyo should have second and bat lead-off until he shows he canât do either. There, I said ir. Arroyo BB rate: 3.7%. Kiké: 5.9%
Arroyo's is lower for his career too, as is his career OBP. You have to be pretty confident that Arroyo can keep up his .350 BABIP to think he's a significantly better leadoff option. I would prefer him against righties, I guess, but not by some huge margin.
I dunno, it just seems that the very obvious thing to do is to bat Verdugo leadoff, but for whatever reason that's off the table, and given that fact the team just doesn't have any good options.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2021 16:22:41 GMT -5
This guy Keller is a borderline #5/6 starter, right?
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Post by Guidas on Jun 19, 2021 16:25:21 GMT -5
Santana should be sent down and Franchy up to see if his new plate discipline is real or if heâs better suited for the Nippon league. Kiké is, was and always will be a utility guy who should never bat higher than seventh in the order. Arroyo should have second and bat lead-off until he shows he canât do either. There, I said ir. Arroyo BB rate: 3.7%. Kiké: 5.9% Arroyo's is lower for his career too, as is his career OBP. You have to be pretty confident that Arroyo can keep up his .350 BABIP to think he's a significantly better leadoff option. I would prefer him against righties, I guess, but not by some huge margin.
I dunno, it just seems that the very obvious thing to do is to bat Verdugo leadoff, but for whatever reason that's off the table, and given that fact the team just doesn't have any good options.
All about the meritocracy and letting the best player play. Right now Arroyo’s OBP after 100+ PAs dramatically larger than Kiké, Santana or Marwin. I believe that he should be getting the most reps. I agree about Verdugo, but for some reason Cora wants to sacrifice the position in the order that gets the most ABs to a substandard hitter.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 19, 2021 16:26:34 GMT -5
For all that the announcers are talking like Perez is down, losing confidence, whatever, he’s pitching fine. He’s had some bad calls, too. Radio announcers are saying he looks confident and is working fast.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 19, 2021 16:28:29 GMT -5
It’s a lefty throwing, I don’t understand the outrage And of all people in that lineup you choose him to rag on over Santana? Against a lefty?? Bizarre EDIT: DAMN YOU GDT ITS A RIGHTY THROWING. My apologies. Yeah I don’t get this one either Santana should be sent down and Franchy up to see if his new plate discipline is real or if he’s better suited for the Nippon league. Kiké is, was and always will be a utility guy who should never bat higher than seventh in the order. Arroyo should have second and bat lead-off until he shows he can’t do either. There, I said ir. Can Santana be sent down? I know he has 2 options, but is it possible he signed a contract that said that, after the initial rehab/ST games, he could not be sent down?
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