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2021 Draft Signing Period
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 1, 2021 14:54:43 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2021 14:56:36 GMT -5
You need to hope Hickey can stay at C. I know it’s SEC vs B1G, but Hickey was not Schwarber in college. Not even close. If you followed NCAAB closely that’s an insult to Schwarber. He was awesome; electric. These things are easily forgotten in time, but Schwarber was a sick college hitter. If he wasn’t drafted shortly after Bryant to the same club, I think he would have been even more of a college legend. He was sick. Speaking as a college baseball fan. I guess that's why Hickey was drafted in the 5th round instead of 4th overall.
I get into the draft as it happens and through the signings, but then I forget about them all until about a year later.
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Post by juanpena on Aug 1, 2021 14:59:55 GMT -5
In retrospect, it would've been fun if they had picked Joshua Baez at #40. He was ranked by mlb.com just one spot behind Fabian and ended up signing for $2.25 million, which presumably would have been doable. I wish they had taken Jaden Hill, who signed at slot with the Rockies at No. 44. Obviously a huge risk and longer development curve after Tommy John surgery, but on talent alone was top half of the first round guy. Hopefully they find someone good for the pick next year. (BTW, not just saying this after Fabian turned them down. I posted while Fabian still looked likely to sign that I wish they had taken Hill. |
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Post by sportshubby on Aug 1, 2021 15:47:43 GMT -5
The more I think about it, is it possible Bloom essentially blocked Fabian deals with the idea of deferring a player signing until next year when you would have a lower draft pool and with essentially two years worth of draftees already, you are dealing with a logjam of players to evaluate. You give a reasonable offer and if he takes it great, but if not you still messed with others draft plans and set yourself up for a better draft next year. Makes it a much lower risk pick in that lens. I am just going to pretend this is what happened. Already so full in the low minors with two years of drafts, expecting to draft much lower next year, so a good way to increase the draft pool for another year. |
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Aug 1, 2021 15:59:47 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox end up signing 16 of 20 picks, which I’ll take as a win. Contrast that to the dumpster fire that is the Mets draft—the Mets likely could have drafted and signed Payton Green as an insurance policy. Then ended up with around $1.3M to spend and could have likely eked out another $200k.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 1, 2021 16:10:45 GMT -5
Three picks in the top ten didn't sign: Rocker, Fabian, and Ulloa (Astros 4th rounder). Mets will get the 11th pick and the Red Sox will get the 41st pick.
One interesting thing is that the 41st pick could have a significantly higher bonus tied to it next year since the bonus amounts have been frozen for the past two years. I'd expect the pick to at least have a slightly higher value than this year.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2021 16:43:12 GMT -5
Well, Mayer alone makes this draft a great one* in my book, but the way it all shook out was that their big overslot get - the one their savings in other rounds went towards - was... Nathan Hickey. Is that anything that would have seemed exciting to folks prior to the draft?
They get the compensatory pick next year, so it's not so much the inability to sign Fabian that seems disappointing as the fact that they didn't do something a little more exciting with their one big overslot move. Just as one possibility, they could've taken that $600k overslot money and spread it around the next few rounds, maybe gone bigger than Wyatt Olds and Hunter Dobbins. Maybe they love Hickey, but he doesn't strike me as someone you go all in for.
(*Its actual greatness is TBD ~5 years from now, of course, and it's possible that Mayer flames out and Hickey turns into Buster Posey...)
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 1, 2021 16:50:18 GMT -5
Well, Mayer alone makes this draft a great one* in my book, but the way it all shook out was that their big overslot get - the one their savings in other rounds went towards - was... Nathan Hickey. Is that anything that would have seemed exciting to folks prior to the draft? They get the compensatory pick next year, so it's not so much the inability to sign Fabian that seems disappointing as the fact that they didn't do something a little more exciting with their one big overslot move. Just as one possibility, they could've taken that $600k overslot money and spread it around the next few rounds, maybe gone bigger than Wyatt Olds and Hunter Dobbins. Maybe they love Hickey, but he doesn't strike me as someone you go all in for. (*Its actual greatness is TBD ~5 years from now, of course, and it's possible that Mayer flames out and Hickey turns into Buster Posey...) Agree about Mayer, if he becomes a stud everyone else could bust and it would be an amazing draft. But if it helps you feel better I was thinking the same thing about the lost pick today and realized I may have a bit of a decency bias. Still some talent there that could really take off, such as Elmer-Rodriguez who I find intriguing. I find McElveny and McDonough interesting too. I almost forgot about these other kids because Fabian has dominated the conversation for over a week now. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 1, 2021 17:22:06 GMT -5
Well, Mayer alone makes this draft a great one* in my book, but the way it all shook out was that their big overslot get - the one their savings in other rounds went towards - was... Nathan Hickey. Is that anything that would have seemed exciting to folks prior to the draft? They get the compensatory pick next year, so it's not so much the inability to sign Fabian that seems disappointing as the fact that they didn't do something a little more exciting with their one big overslot move. Just as one possibility, they could've taken that $600k overslot money and spread it around the next few rounds, maybe gone bigger than Wyatt Olds and Hunter Dobbins. Maybe they love Hickey, but he doesn't strike me as someone you go all in for. (*Its actual greatness is TBD ~5 years from now, of course, and it's possible that Mayer flames out and Hickey turns into Buster Posey...) I wasn't on the site all weekend so I had a lot of reading to do to catch up and was just thinking to myself, no mention of Mayer in quite a while so I was going to bring it up. You beat me to it by 2 or 3 comments. Yes resoundingly, he is the draft. He becomes the SS we are all hoping for and anyone else is gravy. Although I do like many of the picks and think Mayer won't be the only ML player to emerge. As for Fabian, I was excited like many but will now look forward to the extra pick at 41 next year. With more depth at prep pitching and college bats the Sox should have some good options. |
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Post by jaffinator on Aug 1, 2021 17:25:06 GMT -5
In retrospect, it would've been fun if they had picked Joshua Baez at #40. He was ranked by mlb.com just one spot behind Fabian and ended up signing for $2.25 million, which presumably would have been doable. I wish they had taken Jaden Hill, who signed at slot with the Rockies at No. 44. Obviously a huge risk and longer development curve after Tommy John surgery, but on talent alone was top half of the first round guy. Hopefully they find someone good for the pick next year. (BTW, not just saying this after Fabian turned them down. I posted while Fabian still looked likely to sign that I wish they had taken Hill. I actually didn't love-love Hill on stuff - fastball straight as an arrow and doesn't tunnel very well from a high arm slot - but wouldn't have been against him there. Him and Ethan Wilson would have been college guys I've at least watched a couple times that could have been nice to get there. Who knows now? Selfishly, I'm excited to have another reason to watch out for guys next year. |
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Post by bcsox on Aug 1, 2021 17:26:37 GMT -5
Minor question, does the Mets not signing Rocker and creating an extra draft pick next year slide the Sox pick to 42 instead of 41?
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 1, 2021 17:30:57 GMT -5
I actually didn't love-love Hill on stuff - fastball straight as an arrow and doesn't tunnel very well from a high arm slot - but wouldn't have been against him there. Him and Ethan Wilson would have been college guys I've at least watched a couple times that could have been nice to get there. Who knows now? Selfishly, I'm excited to have another reason to watch out for guys next year. Yeah, there is no doubt that this is the optimal outcome in terms of entertaining the users of forum.soxprospects.com |
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Aug 1, 2021 17:34:03 GMT -5
Minor question, does the Mets not signing Rocker and creating an extra draft pick next year slide the Sox pick to 42 instead of 41? Nope, Mets get 11, Sox still get 41. All the other picks adjust around them. |
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Post by Coreno on Aug 1, 2021 18:02:20 GMT -5
Sounds like Rocker won't be returning to Vandy
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 1, 2021 18:07:21 GMT -5
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Post by smuck on Aug 1, 2021 18:24:44 GMT -5
Well, Mayer alone makes this draft a great one* in my book, but the way it all shook out was that their big overslot get - the one their savings in other rounds went towards - was... Nathan Hickey. Is that anything that would have seemed exciting to folks prior to the draft? They get the compensatory pick next year, so it's not so much the inability to sign Fabian that seems disappointing as the fact that they didn't do something a little more exciting with their one big overslot move. Just as one possibility, they could've taken that $600k overslot money and spread it around the next few rounds, maybe gone bigger than Wyatt Olds and Hunter Dobbins. Maybe they love Hickey, but he doesn't strike me as someone you go all in for. (*Its actual greatness is TBD ~5 years from now, of course, and it's possible that Mayer flames out and Hickey turns into Buster Posey...) Agree about Mayer, if he becomes a stud everyone else could bust and it would be an amazing draft. But if it helps you feel better I was thinking the same thing about the lost pick today and realized I may have a bit of a decency bias. Still some talent there that could really take off, such as Elmer-Rodriguez who I find intriguing. I find McElveny and McDonough interesting too. I almost forgot about these other kids because Fabian has dominated the conversation for over a week now. The online world could use a lot more decency bias, my friend. Good problem to have. |
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Post by unitspin on Aug 1, 2021 19:54:57 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see where kumar goes to play. You almost never see a high end American baseball prospect play overseas. I wonder what a team in Japan might throw his way to play a season over there.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 1, 2021 20:40:15 GMT -5
This is a drafting signings thread. Please stop with the back and forth about Mookie. It is exhausting.
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 1, 2021 21:16:51 GMT -5
So Kumar does NOT sign with the Mets and will NOT return to Vanderbilt....Is he now a free-agent and able to sign with anyone??
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 1, 2021 21:32:23 GMT -5
So Kumar does NOT sign with the Mets and will NOT return to Vanderbilt....Is he now a free-agent and able to sign with anyone?? No - he has college eligibility and will be part of the 2022 draft. His best bet this year is to go play pro overseas or maybe in an independent league in the States. |
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Post by 1toolplayer on Aug 1, 2021 21:35:20 GMT -5
So Kumar does NOT sign with the Mets and will NOT return to Vanderbilt....Is he now a free-agent and able to sign with anyone?? He'll need to be drafted in the 2022 draft no matter if he goes back to Vandy or not. Even if he playes Indy ball to sign with an MLB organization. Brady Aiken prob the more recent example of this scenario. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 1, 2021 22:14:05 GMT -5
My completely uninformed speculation:
Red Sox reset after night 1 of the draft. They're pumped they got Mayer. They reset the board knowing Mayer probably signs for slot (so they have something like $334k to spend elsewhere). They see Fabian, a guy they were once once looking at heavily as an option at 1-4, is still there. They know his bonus demand but say F it, we like him better than anyone else available so let's swing for the fences and try to get him to back off this $3M number and if he doesn't sign, we get pick 41 next year, when honestly we might need it more because we're going to be picking late rather than 4th. They tried it, he stuck to his guns, ok good for you kid we're rolling the pick over.
For what it's worth, for those saying the Hickey bonus happened after Fabian said no, I heard the $1M on Hickey very soon after the draft. Now, if Fabian had been like, yeah I'll sign for $2.3M, would the Red Sox have probably gone to Hickey and be like $800k, take it or leave it? Maybe, but this isn't something where they were only planning on signing him for slot but suddenly money was available (which, honestly, I'm more inclined to think was the case with Kavadas).
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 1, 2021 22:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by foreverred9 on Aug 1, 2021 22:32:21 GMT -5
I'd add my uninformed speculation that they likely knew all along that Jud wanted 3M and Hickey wanted 1M. It wouldn't surprise me if their initial offers were close to 2.1M (slot + 5%) for Fabian and 400k (slot) for Hickey with the hopes of splitting the difference and play hardball with Niko at 125K. 2.4M for Fabian and 0.7M for Hickey would have worked.
Once Fabian dropped out, there really wasn't an incentive to negotiate with Hickey and thus he got his 1M. His agents knew the Sox lost any bargaining power once Fabian dropped out. Same goes for Niko.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 1, 2021 22:40:51 GMT -5
So what's the deal with Luis Guerrero's limp?
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