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Post by bluechip on Apr 4, 2013 20:28:08 GMT -5
8 innings from Pops Pettitte.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 4, 2013 20:35:06 GMT -5
There is no way mortonsens belongs on this team
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 4, 2013 20:37:43 GMT -5
also, I would love for someone to explain a/ single pitch Pettite made that Hernedez tis not capable of right now
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 4, 2013 20:51:52 GMT -5
Maybe I'm trolling but I thought strike zone was inconsistent.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 4, 2013 20:55:39 GMT -5
Maybe I'm trolling but I thought strike zone was inconsistent. your not wrong... twas a ball all night except for mo
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 4, 2013 20:56:05 GMT -5
also, I would love for someone to explain a/ single pitch Pettite made that Hernedez tis not capable of right now Because what you really want to see from a pitching prospect is the kind of stuff normally associated with a 42 year old man. Isn't this just warmed-over Moyer comping?
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Post by bluechip on Apr 4, 2013 21:07:32 GMT -5
Maybe I'm trolling but I thought strike zone was inconsistent. your not wrong... twas a ball all night except for mo Bradley was correct, as that was ball. Nevertheless, there is no way a 22 rookie is getting that call against Rivera.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 4, 2013 21:19:08 GMT -5
your not wrong... twas a ball all night except for mo Bradley was correct, as that was ball. Nevertheless, there is no way a 22 rookie is getting that call against Rivera. That's ok. The idea that he should tailor his approach on a per-pitcher basis makes no sense, Rivera or not. Think of how badly if would mess you up if you had to spend your early career figuring out who has juice with the umps and who doesn't. Keep to the plan. The approach is fantastic even if the umpiring isn't.
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Post by Don Caballero on Apr 4, 2013 21:28:26 GMT -5
Can't win them all, I guess.
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Post by jmei on Apr 4, 2013 21:28:58 GMT -5
161-1.
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Post by atzar on Apr 4, 2013 22:02:54 GMT -5
What is it about soft-tossing lefties that historically gives this team nightmares?
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Post by bluechip on Apr 4, 2013 22:31:07 GMT -5
Bradley was correct, as that was ball. Nevertheless, there is no way a 22 rookie is getting that call against Rivera. That's ok. The idea that he should tailor his approach on a per-pitcher basis makes no sense, Rivera or not. Think of how badly if would mess you up if you had to spend your early career figuring out who has juice with the umps and who doesn't. Keep to the plan. The approach is fantastic even if the umpiring isn't. If he maintains his approach, maybe in a few years, he will be getting the benefit of the doubt on close pitches.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Apr 4, 2013 22:44:23 GMT -5
Bradley was correct, as that was ball. Nevertheless, there is no way a 22 rookie is getting that call against Rivera. I definitely agree with what Norm said but. . . With two out, bottom nine, 0-2 count, make the guy throw an actual strike. I don't care if Mo has leeway with umps, that's no excuse. Make the dude actually get that last out, don't give it to him.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 4, 2013 22:46:02 GMT -5
What is it about soft-tossing lefties that historically gives this team nightmares? Selective memory?
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Post by beasleyrockah on Apr 4, 2013 22:53:17 GMT -5
What is it about soft-tossing lefties that historically gives this team nightmares? Selective memory? You beat me to it, the exact same response too... Do a google search and you will find every team/fan base claiming the exact same thing.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 5, 2013 6:48:04 GMT -5
8 innings from Pops Pettitte. I'll be glad when Pops, Mariano and Jeter retire. Seems like they've been there forever. Where have you gone Joe Cowley, Bob Wickman and Andy Stankiewicz? I'm 51. If you're an under 30 Sox fan you probably can't envision the Yankees without those guys. Would have been nice to get the sweep. 2 out of 3 ain't bad or so the song says. Who hits our first HR tonight? Nice to get 3 games indoors. Josh Johnson is tough. Maybe, off of their pen. I'll say Salty. In addition to catching Gardner and Nunez stealing, Cody Ross hit a shot to left-center to end the 7th. Right up against the wall. Out of nearly every other stadium in the AL. Would have been our first. Ross and Salty looked good in that series.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Apr 5, 2013 7:08:37 GMT -5
Taking 2 of 3 to begin the season is an encouraging start. Looking forward to see how they matchup with Toronto this weekend.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 5, 2013 7:42:26 GMT -5
also, I would love for someone to explain a/ single pitch Pettite made that Hernedez tis not capable of right now Pettitte threw a ton of sliders, which Hernandez doesn't.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 5, 2013 12:26:09 GMT -5
also, I would love for someone to explain a/ single pitch Pettite made that Hernedez tis not capable of right now Because what you really want to see from a pitching prospect is the kind of stuff normally associated with a 42 year old man. Isn't this just warmed-over Moyer comping? No, just another chance to display variety I'd pitching styles can lead to very successful careers. Pettite did not break 90 yet has a history of success. I feel Hernadez fits a similar profile. We will see.
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 5, 2013 14:52:30 GMT -5
If you think Hernandez will have a career anywhere close to Pettite, you should pinch yourself.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Apr 5, 2013 16:50:06 GMT -5
No pinching necessary.
I do think there is still a place for a soft throwing deceptive lefty starter on a staff.
Innings eater, great competitor....blah blah
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Post by mainesox on Apr 5, 2013 17:16:09 GMT -5
There's soft tossing, and there's Hernandez. Pettitte's fastball has averaged 89 mph since 2002 (that's as far back as pitch velocity info goes in FG) which is soft, Hernandez's fastball tops out at 86-87 (which presumably means it averages less than that, say 85), that's a huge difference. There's also the matter of Pettitte having several above average secondary pitches whereas Hernandez might have one average pitch in his cutter.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 5, 2013 19:20:55 GMT -5
Absolute best case scenario for Hernandez is a poor man's Pettite, and I'm as big of a Hernandez fan as there since I knew him in Miami. His ceiling is likely a cheap back end of the rotation starter. Maybe he is a little more on a bad team, but he'll never be more than that with the Sox. I think he can succeed in that role, but will more than likely end up as a lefty in the pen
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Post by atzar on Apr 5, 2013 21:35:07 GMT -5
You beat me to it, the exact same response too... Do a google search and you will find every team/fan base claiming the exact same thing. Fair enough. I guess it's just frustrating getting shut down by pitchers who look that ordinary.
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