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4/1-4/4 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 3, 2013 21:45:26 GMT -5
Hanrahan's stuff is freakin' nasty.
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Post by jrffam05 on Apr 3, 2013 21:45:48 GMT -5
162-0
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Post by bluechip on Apr 3, 2013 21:46:44 GMT -5
Is anyone else on the verge of losing it listening to Rick Sutcliffe? What was he saying?
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 3, 2013 21:49:38 GMT -5
Can we get rid of Aceves yet? Good lord...literally the only weakspot in the pen.
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Post by bjb406 on Apr 3, 2013 21:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Apr 3, 2013 21:53:06 GMT -5
Iglesias has looked good so far. Making hard contact, that drag bunt to first, and characteristically great defense.
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Post by pedro1984 on Apr 4, 2013 3:42:45 GMT -5
Iglesias has looked good so far. Making hard contact, that drag bunt to first, and characteristically great defense. The first at-bat of the 2nd game was actually very bad. - Tried to bunt at a high pitch and bunted it foul - Tried to bunt for a basehit (when all he should have done was moving both runners along) and bunted it foul again - Swung at a ball way low where the catcher had an easy play at 3rd base
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Post by ramireja on Apr 4, 2013 6:46:49 GMT -5
Too early to note sole possession of 1st place in the AL East?
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 4, 2013 7:22:16 GMT -5
Too early to note sole possession of 1st place in the AL East? Never happened last year, so why not celebrate a little? Realistically, this Yankee team is quite bad, so there's not a huge amount to glean from these two wins, but hey, winning is better than losing, in the immortal words of Nuke Laloosh. And I did like how Clay Buchholz threw, that's a good sign.
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Post by raftsox on Apr 4, 2013 7:41:36 GMT -5
Haha ... getting a kick out of the ESPN announcers talking about how everyone's thinking that Jeter would've had JBJ's single. Have they seen Jeter play short recently? Have they seen Jeter play short ever? Jeter has never had good range except on plays where he dives head first into the stands. I hate that play, only because in that same game Pokey Reese made a similar run and catch in the stands, but it was farther and more difficult. 'Murica hearts Jeter.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 4, 2013 7:51:46 GMT -5
One player who still reeks from the stench of 2012 is Aceves. Every time I see that guy, I think of him getting lit up and blowing leads last year, and I get angry a little. Don't care that a bunch of Canadians went all Hanson Brothers on his Satanic visage, but just his excruciating performance last year has made him impossible to watch for me. Every time he gives up a hit, I want Farrell to walk out, take the ball from him, and DFA him immediately.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 4, 2013 8:08:33 GMT -5
Okay, I'm on board for 5 years of Iglesias starting at SS. I don't really care what he does at the plate, I can go get a beer then.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2013 8:14:20 GMT -5
I don't like Aceves either, but the guy has talent and brings a value to the bullpen that no one else does and that's the "rubber arm". He can throw multiple innings and several days in a row. We haven't needed that this year, but its valuable to have, especially with such a stacked pen. His tools are a great compliment to what's out there. We want to keep the 6-9 inning guys as fresh as possible for more meaningful games. Plus, he can also pick up a ball and start on any given day if there were a late scratch, without having been stretched out. The team seems strong personality wise and he's so crazy, he won't e a distraction. Who's going to be on his side of something?
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 4, 2013 8:16:42 GMT -5
Realistically, this Yankee team is quite bad, so there's not a huge amount to glean from these two wins, but hey, winning is better than losing, in the immortal words of Nuke Laloosh. And I did like how Clay Buchholz threw, that's a good sign. This Yankee teams is in Detroit this weekend against; Fister, Scherzer and Verlander. If we beat em tonight, decent chance they are 0-6.
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 4, 2013 8:19:18 GMT -5
Okay, I'm on board for 5 years of Iglesias starting at SS. I don't really care what he does at the plate, I can go get a beer then. The hope is his bat progresses like Ozzie Smiths did. Most remember him as a .270- .300 hitter but check out his stats and how he got to that point. It's encouraging for Jose. I still want to see what Drew can do at Fenway and a year pls removed from that injury. Could e the best signing of the offseason for the Sox. www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithoz01.shtml
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Post by wcp3 on Apr 4, 2013 8:26:19 GMT -5
I don't like Aceves either, but the guy has talent and brings a value to the bullpen that no one else does and that's the "rubber arm". He can throw multiple innings and several days in a row. We haven't needed that this year, but its valuable to have, especially with such a stacked pen. His tools are a great compliment to what's out there. We want to keep the 6-9 inning guys as fresh as possible for more meaningful games. Plus, he can also pick up a ball and start on any given day if there were a late scratch, without having been stretched out. The team seems strong personality wise and he's so crazy, he won't e a distraction. Who's going to be on his side of something? I've seen a bunch of people (not just on this board) refer to Aceves as really talented, and I'm not sure why. All things considered, his stuff is pretty ordinarily. He has a lively fastball that he can only occasionally control, and his velocity drops to 90-94 mph when he's moved into a starting role. He also has a couple of below-average offspeed pitches that would get smashed the second time he faced an opponent during the season. I agree with you that his "rubber arm" could make him a valuable entity, but it's not so valuable that he should be allowed to create headaches in the clubhouse. The second he acts up or someone better gets healthy, Aceves should be told to pack his bags.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 4, 2013 8:39:36 GMT -5
Okay, I'm on board for 5 years of Iglesias starting at SS. I don't really care what he does at the plate, I can go get a beer then. The hope is his bat progresses like Ozzie Smiths did. Most remember him as a .270- .300 hitter but check out his stats and how he got to that point. It's encouraging for Jose. I still want to see what Drew can do at Fenway and a year pls removed from that injury. Could e the best signing of the offseason for the Sox. www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/smithoz01.shtmlOne thing that Ozzie Smith had going for him, that Iglesias never will, is the base running. Ozzie Smith had speed and used it as part of his offense game.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Apr 4, 2013 8:42:17 GMT -5
With Ortiz and Drew getting close to being ready, you just have to love the depth that Cherington and Farrell have accumulated. I love watching the bottom of our line-up play (Bradley and Iglesias), but it is quite possible that both will be in Pawtucket in a couple of weeks with lots of confidence. Our AAA club has some serious talent that will impact the major league team all season. 162 games is definitely a marathon and not a sprint. This club and system looks like they can be competitive all year. Play-offs? Maybe. At least, we all will enjoy this season so much more than the last 14 months.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Apr 4, 2013 9:07:24 GMT -5
I don't like Aceves either, but the guy has talent and brings a value to the bullpen that no one else does and that's the "rubber arm". He can throw multiple innings and several days in a row. We haven't needed that this year, but its valuable to have, especially with such a stacked pen. His tools are a great compliment to what's out there. We want to keep the 6-9 inning guys as fresh as possible for more meaningful games. Plus, he can also pick up a ball and start on any given day if there were a late scratch, without having been stretched out. The team seems strong personality wise and he's so crazy, he won't e a distraction. Who's going to be on his side of something? Well, I was pretty explicitly irrational in what I said. But I think the reality of Aceves is that he's ... fine. I mean, he's an ok pitcher. In most bullpens and on most teams, I think his versatility and moderate competence are valuable at soaking up innings in a variety of situations (most fans underrate the ability to just plain soak up innings, I think). That's why he's on the Sox right now, after all. But I really think that this Sox team is different; their bullpen has a chance of being extraordinary, and Aceves is very ordinary. And while I am a HUGE believer in "you never have too much pitching," I'm just not sure there's a place on this team for Aceves, my irrational dislike aside. If he would ride the I-95 shuttle with his option this year, I'd change my mind and think he was a strong asset, but it doesn't seem like he'd be a good soldier that way ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 9:07:26 GMT -5
I don't like Aceves at all. It seems that he is just going to give up runs every time he pitches. He also has a bad attitude. He needs to be traded or released. Even though it was 7-1 in the eight, I am a bit surprised of Farrell's choice of relievers. Miller is a great lefty specialist, but he CAN'T get right handers out. So far, he has walked almost every right hander he has faced. But he is great at getting lefties out, getting out Cano the past two games. I would use him as a lefty specialist exclusively. And Aceves, well, there was no reason not to bring him in, because of the huge lead, yet he gave up a three-run homer. It seems that he has forgotten how to pitch- therefore, he shouldn't be on the team. If he leaves, and Morales and Breslow are still hurt and Bard is still in AA, they can call up Alex Wilson. He was great in spring training and already on the 40-man.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 4, 2013 9:31:30 GMT -5
If he would ride the I-95 shuttle with his option this year, I'd change my mind and think he was a strong asset, but it doesn't seem like he'd be a good soldier that way ... This is one reason I wanted relief depth on the roster to have options (Olmsted, Fields, or whoever). The best setup is having quality arms in AAA who can go up and down - then you don't have to deal with the recurring roster cruch / phantom DL juggling when players return from injury.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Apr 4, 2013 9:37:00 GMT -5
And Aceves, well, there was no reason not to bring him in, because of the huge lead, yet he gave up a three-run homer. I'm guessing Farrell brought him into the game because we were up 7-1. It's actually a perfect time to use someone who hasn't pitched in 4-5 days?? It seems that he has forgotten how to pitch- therefore, he shouldn't be on the team. You've determined that he has forgotten how to pitch because he gave up a HR? Is there some kind of new Sabermetric thing out there that shows that? Not really up on that stuff. Breslow and Bard are 1 inning guys. We're going to need a long man at some point. He seems pretty well suited to do that.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 4, 2013 9:43:46 GMT -5
I don't like Aceves at all. It seems that he is just going to give up runs every time he pitches. He also has a bad attitude. He needs to be traded or released. Even though it was 7-1 in the eight, I am a bit surprised of Farrell's choice of relievers. Miller is a great lefty specialist, but he CAN'T get right handers out. So far, he has walked almost every right hander he has faced. But he is great at getting lefties out, getting out Cano the past two games. I would use him as a lefty specialist exclusively. And Aceves, well, there was no reason not to bring him in, because of the huge lead, yet he gave up a three-run homer. It seems that he has forgotten how to pitch- therefore, he shouldn't be on the team. If he leaves, and Morales and Breslow are still hurt and Bard is still in AA, they can call up Alex Wilson. He was great in spring training and already on the 40-man. Heck I think Miller can get anyone out with his stuff. Control is his issue. Aceves is useful at the moment but I suspect that if he has a few good outings and once Morales is back, he will likely be the first man out in a final purge of 2012.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 4, 2013 10:26:52 GMT -5
Even though it was 7-1 in the eight, I am a bit surprised of Farrell's choice of relievers. I was surprised he used Miller. Since Miller is the only bullpen lefty on the roster, I would use him in exclusively in high leverage situations against lefties. For instance, if it was tight game tonight, I would bring him in to face Cano. With a six run lead, there was no need for him to pitch. I expected to Clay Mortensen and Aceves to be used in this game.
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 4, 2013 14:26:13 GMT -5
Even though it was 7-1 in the eight, I am a bit surprised of Farrell's choice of relievers. I was surprised he used Miller. Since Miller is the only bullpen lefty on the roster, I would use him in exclusively in high leverage situations against lefties. For instance, if it was tight game tonight, I would bring him in to face Cano. With a six run lead, there was no need for him to pitch. I expected to Clay Mortensen and Aceves to be used in this game. Yup, I think Clay M. and Aceves might have been the way to go in this case....But, if I used Miller only against lefties with his stuff, I am putting a burden on the pen IMO. Breslow, if and when, can be my loogy while Morales could replace Aceves as an innings eater, if necessary. At least in the meantime, Miller can handle both LH and RH hitters for me. I think that his control will get better once it becomes warmer.
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