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9/24-9/26 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by kjkramer on Sept 23, 2021 18:16:28 GMT -5
Win the first game and we are in a good position
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Post by TearsIn04 on Sept 23, 2021 18:20:08 GMT -5
I will say the Yankee I hate more than any other is Clemens. I even despised him when he was on the Sox. Interesting take that you hated the staff ace who earned three Cy Young awards for your favorite team. I loved the guy. I loved that whole 86 staff with Rocket, Hurst, the Can and Joh Tudor. Are there Pats fans that hate Brady? I’m really asking, because I am not a Patriots fan. Tudor was long gone by 1986. Al Nipper was there. Seaver joined the staff during the season.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 23, 2021 18:27:52 GMT -5
Interesting take that you hated the staff ace who earned three Cy Young awards for your favorite team. I loved the guy. I loved that whole 86 staff with Rocket, Hurst, the Can and Joh Tudor. Are there Pats fans that hate Brady? I’m really asking, because I am not a Patriots fan. Are there Red Sox fans that don't hate on Clemens ? 3 tainted Cys. Lying before Congress. and let's not forget about the 14 year old girl singer. Patford hated him when he was pitching for the Red Sox. That’s a totally different thing than hating the guy now.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 23, 2021 18:53:23 GMT -5
Are there Red Sox fans that don't hate on Clemens ? 3 tainted Cys. Lying before Congress. and let's not forget about the 14 year old girl singer. Patford hated him when he was pitching for the Red Sox. That’s a totally different thing than hating the guy now. I think that's much more consistent than different.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 23, 2021 19:02:29 GMT -5
Patford hated him when he was pitching for the Red Sox. That’s a totally different thing than hating the guy now. I think that's much more consistent than different. How so? The guy pitched brilliantly and there wasn’t the taint of steroids. That came later after he obviously juiced up when he was with Toronto. When he was a Red Sox pitcher, other than having a natural decline after a big load of innings and anchoring the staff, what was unlikeable?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2021 19:24:55 GMT -5
I will say the Yankee I hate more than any other is Clemens. I even despised him when he was on the Sox. Interesting take that you hated the staff ace who earned three Cy Young awards for your favorite team. I loved the guy. I loved that whole 86 staff with Rocket, Hurst, the Can and Joh Tudor. Are there Pats fans that hate Brady? I’m really asking, because I am not a Patriots fan. John Tudor was never on the 1986 Red Sox. He was traded after the 1983 season to Pittsburgh for Mike Easler who replaced a retiring Carl Yastrzemski in the DH spot. Easler was swapped to NY for Don Baylor, the DH of the 1986 Red Sox just before the 86 season started. John Tudor was with the Pirates for just one season and was traded to the Cardinals in 1985 where he blossomed. He'd later get a World Series ring with the 1988 Dodgers. He was an excellent pitcher. The 1986 Red Sox rotation wound up being Clemens, Hurst, Boyd, Al Nipper, and Tom Seaver. After the 1985 season the Sox traded Bob Ojeda to the Mets for Calvin Schiraldi and Wes Gardner.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Sept 23, 2021 19:35:01 GMT -5
Interesting take that you hated the staff ace who earned three Cy Young awards for your favorite team. I loved the guy. I loved that whole 86 staff with Rocket, Hurst, the Can and Joh Tudor. Are there Pats fans that hate Brady? I’m really asking, because I am not a Patriots fan. John Tudor was never on the 1986 Red Sox. He was traded after the 1983 season to Pittsburgh for Mike Easler who replaced a retiring Carl Yastrzemski in the DH spot. Easler was swapped to NY for Don Baylor, the DH of the 1986 Red Sox just before the 86 season started. John Tudor was with the Pirates for just one season and was traded to the Cardinals in 1985 where he blossomed. He'd later get a World Series ring with the 1988 Dodgers. He was an excellent pitcher. The 1986 Red Sox rotation wound up being Clemens, Hurst, Boyd, Al Nipper, and Tom Seaver. After the 1985 season the Sox traded Bob Ojeda to the Mets for Calvin Schiraldi and Wes Gardner. Yeah, Tears in 04 pointed out my mistake and I “liked” his post hoping the board would realize that I understood I mixed up Nipper and Tudor. Oops. But the 86 team was a ton of fun. I wish Seaver hadn’t gotten hurt. 😀
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 23, 2021 19:37:17 GMT -5
Tudor and Hurst were so damn good, especially for a Red Sox starter.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Sept 23, 2021 19:40:00 GMT -5
At this point, it's looking quite good for Boston to make the playoffs. A couple/three weeks ago, the Yankees had the upper hand, with Oakland and Toronto knocking at the door. Anyway, a couple of wins over the MFY will give this old guy some relief and joy. I don't know that anyone really counted on Boston making the playoffs this year, especially after last season's results. But heck, we're likely in the playoffs... riding a hot streak... players back from COVID and injury. And the future looks bright!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2021 20:37:11 GMT -5
John Tudor was never on the 1986 Red Sox. He was traded after the 1983 season to Pittsburgh for Mike Easler who replaced a retiring Carl Yastrzemski in the DH spot. Easler was swapped to NY for Don Baylor, the DH of the 1986 Red Sox just before the 86 season started. John Tudor was with the Pirates for just one season and was traded to the Cardinals in 1985 where he blossomed. He'd later get a World Series ring with the 1988 Dodgers. He was an excellent pitcher. The 1986 Red Sox rotation wound up being Clemens, Hurst, Boyd, Al Nipper, and Tom Seaver. After the 1985 season the Sox traded Bob Ojeda to the Mets for Calvin Schiraldi and Wes Gardner. Yeah, Tears in 04 pointed out my mistake and I “liked” his post hoping the board would realize that I understood I mixed up Nipper and Tudor. Oops. But the 86 team was a ton of fun. I wish Seaver hadn’t gotten hurt. 😀 Would have loved to have seen Seaver come into a 3-3 tie at Shea Stadium in the 7th inning of the 7th game of the World Series. A shame it couldn't have happened. I would have been good with Boyd out of the pen. Clemens for an inning too. McNamara made every wrong choice possible.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 23, 2021 20:44:45 GMT -5
Derek Jeter fired a long time scout right before he went in for cancer surgery, ppl forget that #re2pect Let’s just turn this into a Jeter bash fest until game time tomorrow Happy to oblige! This compendium is pretty definitive. Lots to choose from, but this might be the choicest excerpt: Just the purest fraud I've ever seen in sports - a hollow shell that has conformed itself to the precise dimensions of marketability; a human being reduced to a media relations algorithm. Give me a thousand ARods over one Jeter - at least ARod was bad at selling himself; there's so much more humanity in that.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 23, 2021 21:17:13 GMT -5
Root, root, root for the Bluuuuuuue Jays. If they don't win it's ashame. With a PS spot nearly assured, I'm rooting for the Blue Jays against the Twinkies this weekend. I don't want the stress of a one-gamer against the MFYs. On the other hand, the Blue Jays are better, and the objective is to win. Ideally the Mariners somehow get it.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2021 21:19:35 GMT -5
Minnesota leads Toronto 6-2 in the last of the 6th. Good for the Sox if the Jays lose, but I don't want to see Tor get too far behind NY. Hopefully the Sox don't help NY and Toronto beats NY head to head and sweeps Baltimore.
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Post by cdj on Sept 23, 2021 21:20:59 GMT -5
Minnesota leads Toronto 6-2 in the last of the 6th. Good for the Sox if the Jays lose, but I don't want to see Tor get too far behind NY. Hopefully the Sox don't help NY and Toronto beats NY head to head and sweeps Baltimore. I don’t mind eliminating the Yankees in the play-in
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2021 21:28:13 GMT -5
Minnesota leads Toronto 6-2 in the last of the 6th. Good for the Sox if the Jays lose, but I don't want to see Tor get too far behind NY. Hopefully the Sox don't help NY and Toronto beats NY head to head and sweeps Baltimore. I don’t mind eliminating the Yankees in the play-in Honestly I wouldnt want to take that chance because of the possibility of the opposite happening. If the Sox played Toronto and won, great. If they lose in a manner they don't give the game away I could live with that a lot easier. I'd be happier knowing the Yankees spent half their farm system in trades and still didn't make the playoffs. Want to knock out the Yankees? Take this upcoming series.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Sept 23, 2021 21:41:21 GMT -5
I liked Hurst, sure, Marty Barrett, Hendu, but my favorite guy on the '86 Sox was Oil Can Boyd, bar none.
I especially loved that the white Boston sportswriters had no idea what to make of this eccentric black dude from Mississippi. He went 16-10, 3.78 in '86 but it seemed like half the beat was trying to turn him into some kind of villain.
I have only one jersey hanging in my closet (a signed Raffy Devers #11 that I'm going to try to also get signed by Clay and Billy Mueller -- the other #11s on championship teams) but I'm pretty sure my second will be a #23 for the Can, as well as for El Tiante (not to mention Tom Brunansky).
As for Clemens, I started to lose my faith after his 'roid-rage meltdown in the do-or-die Game 4 of the 1990 ALCS (spoiler alert: they died). But maybe it wasn't 'roid rage because his remaining five seasons with the Olde Towne Team were a portrait of decline, followed miraculously by a resurgence with the Jays and then the MFYs and Astros.
Probably what killed him most in my heart was the way he essentially begged his way onto the juggernaut MFYs after their GOAT season of 1998. "Please, sign me! I'll be your 4th starter, I'll change my number; I don't care! I just wanna ring!"
Good riddance, Rocket. I hope you never make it in.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2021 22:01:17 GMT -5
I liked Hurst, sure, Marty Barrett, Hendu, but my favorite guy on the '86 Sox was Oil Can Boyd, bar none. I especially loved that the white Boston sportswriters had no idea what to make of this eccentric black dude from Mississippi. He went 16-10, 3.78 in '86 but it seemed like half the beat was trying to turn him into some kind of villain. I have only one jersey hanging in my closet (a signed Raffy Devers #11 that I'm going to try to also get signed by Clay and Billy Mueller -- the other #11s on championship teams) but I'm pretty sure my second will be a #23 for the Can, as well as for El Tiante (not to mention Tom Brunansky). As for Clemens, I started to lose my faith after his 'roid-rage meltdown in the do-or-die Game 4 of the 1990 ALCS (spoiler alert: they died). But maybe it wasn't 'roid rage because his remaining five seasons with the Olde Towne Team were a portrait of decline, followed miraculously by a resurgence with the Jays and then the MFYs and Astros. Probably what killed him most in my heart was the way he essentially begged his way onto the juggernaut MFYs after their GOAT season of 1998. "Please, sign me! I'll be your 4th starter, I'll change my number; I don't care! I just wanna ring!" Good riddance, Rocket. I hope you never make it in. Two things. I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old. Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was.
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Post by cdj on Sept 23, 2021 22:25:34 GMT -5
Mariners are hanging around….
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Post by dl on Sept 23, 2021 22:35:18 GMT -5
I don't want either Yankees or Jays to make the playoff and would rather face Mariners in the play-in game. They are only 1 game behind Jays and if we can win the series against Yankees and Mariners might sneak into 2nd wild card spot.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 23, 2021 22:45:23 GMT -5
I liked Hurst, sure, Marty Barrett, Hendu, but my favorite guy on the '86 Sox was Oil Can Boyd, bar none. I especially loved that the white Boston sportswriters had no idea what to make of this eccentric black dude from Mississippi. He went 16-10, 3.78 in '86 but it seemed like half the beat was trying to turn him into some kind of villain. I have only one jersey hanging in my closet (a signed Raffy Devers #11 that I'm going to try to also get signed by Clay and Billy Mueller -- the other #11s on championship teams) but I'm pretty sure my second will be a #23 for the Can, as well as for El Tiante (not to mention Tom Brunansky). As for Clemens, I started to lose my faith after his 'roid-rage meltdown in the do-or-die Game 4 of the 1990 ALCS (spoiler alert: they died). But maybe it wasn't 'roid rage because his remaining five seasons with the Olde Towne Team were a portrait of decline, followed miraculously by a resurgence with the Jays and then the MFYs and Astros. Probably what killed him most in my heart was the way he essentially begged his way onto the juggernaut MFYs after their GOAT season of 1998. "Please, sign me! I'll be your 4th starter, I'll change my number; I don't care! I just wanna ring!" Good riddance, Rocket. I hope you never make it in. Two things. I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old. Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was. Start Oil Can. Let him go 3 or 4 innings. Then turn game over to Hurst
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 23, 2021 22:59:16 GMT -5
Two things. I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old. Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was. Start Oil Can. Let him go 3 or 4 innings. Then turn game over to Hurst Starting Hurst was the one right move McNamara made. Oil Can Boyd was no 3 or 4 inning starter, although your idea was creative and ahead of that time.
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Post by manfred on Sept 24, 2021 0:05:02 GMT -5
Clemens was my favorite player growing up. Loved Can. Loved Hurst. Loved most of that ‘86 team.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 24, 2021 0:46:14 GMT -5
Are there Red Sox fans that don't hate on Clemens ? 3 tainted Cys. Lying before Congress. and let's not forget about the 14 year old girl singer. Patford hated him when he was pitching for the Red Sox. That’s a totally different thing than hating the guy now. I never liked him (redneck) either or Nomar (Jeter wanna be and an ahole) or Lynn (Steve Garvey 2) but I enjoyed watching all three of them play ball when they were here.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 24, 2021 0:50:18 GMT -5
I liked Hurst, sure, Marty Barrett, Hendu, but my favorite guy on the '86 Sox was Oil Can Boyd, bar none. I especially loved that the white Boston sportswriters had no idea what to make of this eccentric black dude from Mississippi. He went 16-10, 3.78 in '86 but it seemed like half the beat was trying to turn him into some kind of villain. I have only one jersey hanging in my closet (a signed Raffy Devers #11 that I'm going to try to also get signed by Clay and Billy Mueller -- the other #11s on championship teams) but I'm pretty sure my second will be a #23 for the Can, as well as for El Tiante (not to mention Tom Brunansky). As for Clemens, I started to lose my faith after his 'roid-rage meltdown in the do-or-die Game 4 of the 1990 ALCS (spoiler alert: they died). But maybe it wasn't 'roid rage because his remaining five seasons with the Olde Towne Team were a portrait of decline, followed miraculously by a resurgence with the Jays and then the MFYs and Astros. Probably what killed him most in my heart was the way he essentially begged his way onto the juggernaut MFYs after their GOAT season of 1998. "Please, sign me! I'll be your 4th starter, I'll change my number; I don't care! I just wanna ring!" Good riddance, Rocket. I hope you never make it in. Two things. I have always wondered. We know Boyd had his issues, but if McNamara was a better manager, better communicator perhaps he could have rechanneled Boyd's disappointment about not getting the Game 7 start. Boyd should have been the first option out of the pen. Perhaps he would have finished off a 5-3 victory. He was rocked in the 1st inning of Game 3 giving up 4 1st inning runs but settled down after that. I would have taken my chances with a fully engaged Boyd. Too bad Cora wasn't the manager then. Of course he was only 11 years old. Clemens was one of my favorites growing up and if he used I believe it probably happened just before he left in 1996. He was tied with Cy Young for most Red Sox career wins and had the chance to come back and break the tie in 2007 but opted to take George's money and ironically cost himself a Red Sox world series ring. Perhaps his heart was with Boston but his wallet certainly wasn't and we know what his priority was. That's not how I remember it. Roger Donut had pretty much lost it and went to Toronto before losing weight and signing with George.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 24, 2021 1:03:14 GMT -5
This is just the second time since 1967 that the Sox and Yankees have met in a scheduled series with post-season importance, with 15 or fewer games left in the season and 4 or fewer games difference in the standings. And of course, with 9 games left and 2 games difference, it swamps those criteria. The other time was 2005, when the Yankees came to Fenway for the last 3 games of the season with a 1-game lead over the Sox, who were tied with the Indians for the W/C. Yanks had the tiebreaker, so the Sox needed to sweep to win the division. Sox started David Wells, Wakefield, and Schilling, while the Yankees had Chien-Ming Wang, Randy Johnson, and Jaret Wright. None of those matchups approached Cole v. Eovaldi for drama -- those 6 pitchers totaled 0 CY votes. So, yes, this is the most exciting regularly-scheduled Sox-Yankee game that any of us can remember.
Sox won on Friday and Sunday, while the Indians got swept at home by the first-place White Sox, who then swept us, beat the Angels in 5, and swept the Astros. (It's amazing how dim all of that is in my mind, even though I was working for the team! The one thing I remember is Tony Graffanino in game 3 of the DS swinging late at a pitch that was so obviously ball 4 out of the pitcher's hand that I was already celebrating (from my seat behind home plate) when the ball was halfway to the plate. Turns out that was with the bases full with 1 out in the 6th with the Sox down a run. He ended up popping up on the 10th pitch of the PA, Damon fanned, and we ended up squandering bases full, 0 outs after Manny had led off the inning with a homer. The guy who came in to get those 3 outs (and 6 more facing 7 guys) was El Duque, Orlando Hernandez, who always gave us fits.)
A history of meaningful Sox-Yankee series that ended with less than 20 games left in the season. GR is Games Remaining (at start of series) and R is rank in standings.
Date SoxGR SoxR SoxGB NYGR NYR NYGB Host W L 9/12/1972 21 1 -0.5 18 3 1.5 NY 1 1 9/13/1977 19 2 1.5 18 1 -1.5 NY 1 2 9/19/1977 13 3 4.5 12 1 -3.5 Bos 2 0 9/15/1978 16 2 1.5 17 1 -1.5 NY 1 2 10/2/1978 0 1 0 0 1 0 Bos 0 1 9/14/1988 17 1 -4.5 18 2 4.5 Bos 3 1 9/23/1988 10 1 -4 11 3 4.5 NY 2 1 9/17/2004 17 2 3.5 16 1 -3.5 NY 1 2 9/24/2004 10 2 4.5 9 1 4.5 Bos 2 1 9/30/2005 3 2 1 3 1 -1 Bos 2 1 9/14/2007 15 1 -5.5 16 2 -5.5 Bos 1 2 9/15/2016 17 1 -1 17 4 4 Bos 4 0 We are 14-6 at home in these games, and have won 5 of 6 regular season series.
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