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4/29-5/1 Red Sox @ Orioles Series Thread
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Post by Guidas on May 1, 2022 17:31:35 GMT -5
JD going oppo yard is a good sign.
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Post by kjkramer on May 1, 2022 17:32:15 GMT -5
Iactually do think this team hit rock bottom. I do fully expect them to wake up at home after this day off. I kind of feel it. Lets win the 2 series at home and win 4+ of the 6
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 1, 2022 17:33:23 GMT -5
Don’t look now, but it’s May 1st and the Red Sox are 7.5 games behind the Yankees. Anyone who isn’t pushing the panic button is not paying attention. I never panic. If this isn't their year, I don't care. I'll still watch and enjoy what I can, which isn't much lately. But the days of me feeling like my life is over because the Red Sox are slumping are long gone. They're still getting paid so they'll live and so will I. so because you have transitioned out of neurotic fan behavior, which you explicitly acknowledge you have had in the past in text of this post, everything is copacetic ? Other fans feel they deserve better than this and their right to say so. If it is just a blip in the radar, we will find out soon enough. I am not betting on that, I think is a poorly constructed team.
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Post by jimed14 on May 1, 2022 17:34:00 GMT -5
Iactually do think this team hit rock bottom. I do fully expect them to wake up at home after this day off. I kind of feel it. Lets win the 2 series at home and win 4+ of the 6 They have barely been at home at all. This was a crazy long road trip this early right after being away from home for spring training.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2022 17:34:27 GMT -5
I love the Franchy optimism: performance? Virtually identical to Bobby. But “professional”!
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Post by jimed14 on May 1, 2022 17:35:56 GMT -5
I never panic. If this isn't their year, I don't care. I'll still watch and enjoy what I can, which isn't much lately. But the days of me feeling like my life is over because the Red Sox are slumping are long gone. They're still getting paid so they'll live and so will I. so because you have transitioned out of neurotic fan behavior, which you explicitly acknowledge you have had in the past in text of this post, everything is copacetic ? Other fans feel they deserve better than this and their right to say so. If it is just a blip in the radar, we will find out soon enough. I am not betting on that, I think is a poorly constructed team. Yes, other fans can do whatever the hell they want and so can I. You can bitch all damn season and I can just enjoy baseball in whatever form it takes. As I've gotten older I realized how much negativity and anger has taken a toll on myself and others. Not worth it.
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Post by cdj on May 1, 2022 17:37:00 GMT -5
I love the Franchy optimism: performance? Virtually identical to Bobby. But “professional”! When was the last time Bobby doubled, walked, and hit a SF in a game? Hardly identical to Bobby going 1 for 1747483 on driving in runners The error was VERY Bobby for sure
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Post by benzinger on May 1, 2022 17:38:11 GMT -5
“Everyday” Jackie went 0-4 and stranded 5 guys today. He’s now batting .147. But don’t you dare take him out of that lineup, AC.
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Post by congusgambler33 on May 1, 2022 17:38:36 GMT -5
We're a half game ahead of Baltimore...Yippee!!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 1, 2022 17:41:48 GMT -5
so because you have transitioned out of neurotic fan behavior, which you explicitly acknowledge you have had in the past in text of this post, everything is copacetic ? Other fans feel they deserve better than this and their right to say so. If it is just a blip in the radar, we will find out soon enough. I am not betting on that, I think is a poorly constructed team. Yes, other fans can do whatever the hell they want and so can I. You can bitch all damn season and I can just enjoy baseball in whatever form it takes. As I've gotten older I realized how much negativity and anger has taken a toll on myself and others. Not worth it. we have been so fortunate over the last 20 years, i agree. i am just calling it like I see it, to this point the FO has let the fan base down.
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Post by jimed14 on May 1, 2022 17:43:52 GMT -5
Yes, other fans can do whatever the hell they want and so can I. You can bitch all damn season and I can just enjoy baseball in whatever form it takes. As I've gotten older I realized how much negativity and anger has taken a toll on myself and others. Not worth it. we have been so fortunate over the last 20 years, i agree. i am just calling it like I see it, to this point the FO has let the fan base down. It's fun to watch the prospects develop if you get fed up with the MLB team.
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Post by incandenza on May 1, 2022 17:49:41 GMT -5
I'd say this season so far has come down to three games: that game where they almost got no-hit in TB and then got up to a 96% win probability (4/34); the game a couple days later where they got up to a 97% win probability against Toronto (4/26); and yesterday, where they "only" got up to an 81% win probability but had multiple chances to put it away.
Reverse the results in those three games and they'd be 12-11 - not exactly setting the world on fire, and we'd still be talking about the bats being asleep, but we could look forward to them waking up. They'd at least seem like a competitive team.
The problem now is that even if you think they're better than this, and competitive with the good AL teams, where are they going to pick up wins to dig out of the hole? It's hard to hope for anything better than holding serve against NYY, TOR, and TB. The Orioles are the biggest supply of easy W's and they already blew their first chance there. They have 4 games against Cincinnati I guess...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 1, 2022 17:50:22 GMT -5
Yes, other fans can do whatever the hell they want and so can I. You can bitch all damn season and I can just enjoy baseball in whatever form it takes. As I've gotten older I realized how much negativity and anger has taken a toll on myself and others. Not worth it. we have been so fortunate over the last 20 years, i agree. i am just calling it like I see it, to this point the FO has let the fan base down. Exactly. I don't see the need to make excuses for a team that is obviously playing like crap nor throw bouquets at management when it's clear the team was not well or fully constructed. I think if the team is playing well, it's also fine to say so. Call it as you see it. Our eyes aren't lying. There was a lot of griping at the trade deadline and when all was said and done, only Atlanta clearly did better than Blooom. There was a lot of griping over the offseason about not enough being done and so far that is playing out. We'll see if it continues and /or to what extent, but while I'll find enjoyment in baseball no matter what myself, it is a helluva lot more fun when the Sox are interesting and entertaining. This version is clearly neither. The losses bothered me more last year because the games meant so much more. This year, the losses don't really linger for more than a few minutes but at the same time the (rare) wins don't really resonate much. The wins were a lot more sweeter last year. It comes down to emotional investment. I'm a Red Sox fan no matter what. I love baseball no matter what, even with some of these stupid rule changes (extra innings) or style changes (starters incapable of going more than twice around the order). But when the Sox are clearly signaling that this isn't a year to care much about them, it's too bad. Baseball adds a welcome diversion to my life. When the Sox aren't impacting it, I always feel something is missing. Can't help it. After 40 years, Red Sox and baseball are a part of me.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 1, 2022 17:51:13 GMT -5
This team is embarrassing Semper you are belying your oath. I think this our Waterloo. The worse we are, the greater emphasis on and impetus for, change. That part could be exciting. Hey we have Franchy up...I suspect Duran and later Casas will augment us. It's presently broke. It will be fixed this year or more likely next.
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Post by kjkramer on May 1, 2022 17:54:59 GMT -5
I love the Franchy optimism: performance? Virtually identical to Bobby. But “professional”! I felt his at-bats showed patience and were competitive
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Post by juanpena on May 1, 2022 17:58:23 GMT -5
This team is embarrassing Semper you are belying your oath. I think this our Waterloo. The worse we are, the greater emphasis on and impetus for, change. That part could be exciting. Hey we have Franchy up...I suspect Duran and later Casas will augment us. It's presently broke. It will be fixed this year or more likely next. The best players this year have been Bogaerts, Eovaldi, Wacha and Martinez. Next year they'll all be gone. They could take a big step backward.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 1, 2022 17:58:56 GMT -5
I'd say this season so far has come down to three games: that game where they almost got no-hit in TB and then got up to a 96% win probability (4/34); the game a couple days later where they got up to a 97% win probability against Toronto (4/26); and yesterday, where they "only" got up to an 81% win probability but had multiple chances to put it away.
Reverse the results in those three games and they'd be 12-11 - not exactly setting the world on fire, and we'd still be talking about the bats being asleep, but we could look forward to them waking up. They'd at least seem like a competitive team.
The problem now is that even if you think they're better than this, and competitive with the good AL teams, where are they going to pick up wins to dig out of the hole? It's hard to hope for anything better than holding serve against NYY, TOR, and TB. The Orioles are the biggest supply of easy W's and they already blew their first chance there. They have 4 games against Cincinnati I guess...
i respect this take. however, i think it undermines the randomness of baseball games. We have a bad product here. I don't see why that needs to be parsed. And it falls squarely on Bloom. Could they turn it around with better play, sure. I think the best way to achieve that is with better players and it appears this team really needs that.
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Post by incandenza on May 1, 2022 18:08:13 GMT -5
I'd say this season so far has come down to three games: that game where they almost got no-hit in TB and then got up to a 96% win probability (4/34); the game a couple days later where they got up to a 97% win probability against Toronto (4/26); and yesterday, where they "only" got up to an 81% win probability but had multiple chances to put it away.
Reverse the results in those three games and they'd be 12-11 - not exactly setting the world on fire, and we'd still be talking about the bats being asleep, but we could look forward to them waking up. They'd at least seem like a competitive team.
The problem now is that even if you think they're better than this, and competitive with the good AL teams, where are they going to pick up wins to dig out of the hole? It's hard to hope for anything better than holding serve against NYY, TOR, and TB. The Orioles are the biggest supply of easy W's and they already blew their first chance there. They have 4 games against Cincinnati I guess...
i respect this take. however, i think it undermines the randomness of baseball games. We have a bad product here. I don't see why that needs to be parsed. And it falls squarely on Bloom. Could they turn it around with better play, sure. I think the best way to achieve that is with better players and it appears this team really needs that. I didn't mean it as an excuse - just sort of an autopsy of their failure. If they were a better team they would've won those games and there would have been three other close losses we could lament ("just a couple of breaks and they'd be 15-8...").
ADD: But I do stand by what I said upthread: about half of their problem has been bad luck, the other half has been bad performance and roster construction issues.
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Post by wildsox on May 1, 2022 18:17:18 GMT -5
I love the Franchy optimism: performance? Virtually identical to Bobby. But “professional”! When was the last time Bobby doubled, walked, and hit a SF in a game? Hardly identical to Bobby going 1 for 1747483 on driving in runners The error was VERY Bobby for sure Exactly
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Post by Guidas on May 1, 2022 18:17:19 GMT -5
I'd say this season so far has come down to three games: that game where they almost got no-hit in TB and then got up to a 96% win probability (4/34); the game a couple days later where they got up to a 97% win probability against Toronto (4/26); and yesterday, where they "only" got up to an 81% win probability but had multiple chances to put it away.
Reverse the results in those three games and they'd be 12-11 - not exactly setting the world on fire, and we'd still be talking about the bats being asleep, but we could look forward to them waking up. They'd at least seem like a competitive team. The problem now is that even if you think they're better than this, and competitive with the good AL teams, where are they going to pick up wins to dig out of the hole? It's hard to hope for anything better than holding serve against NYY, TOR, and TB. The Orioles are the biggest supply of easy W's and they already blew their first chance there. They have 4 games against Cincinnati I guess...
i respect this take. however, i think it undermines the randomness of baseball games. We have a bad product here. I don't see why that needs to be parsed. And it falls squarely on Bloom. Could they turn it around with better play, sure. I think the best way to achieve that is with better players and it appears this team really needs that. So legit question: If this is how Bloom spends $236M coming off an over-achieving winning year where your team almost won the World Series and a ‘closing window” year where you’re going to likely lose JD, Xander, Eovaldi, Kiké and Vazquez (an MLB average catcher), is he the guy who you want with $100M-$130M of play money next year in the AL East? And if so, what has he done to earn such trust in your mind?
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Post by sarasoxer on May 1, 2022 18:17:37 GMT -5
Semper you are belying your oath. I think this our Waterloo. The worse we are, the greater emphasis on and impetus for, change. That part could be exciting. Hey we have Franchy up...I suspect Duran and later Casas will augment us. It's presently broke. It will be fixed this year or more likely next. The best players this year have been Bogaerts, Eovaldi, Wacha and Martinez. Next year they'll all be gone. They could take a big step backward. Well, you don't know that. If we do take a Big step backward, it will be a springboard for a future leap forward. I still have faith in Bloom. His spaghetti approach worked last year...not so much so far this year. Step back Chaim, adjust and retool the approach.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 1, 2022 18:37:08 GMT -5
i respect this take. however, i think it undermines the randomness of baseball games. We have a bad product here. I don't see why that needs to be parsed. And it falls squarely on Bloom. Could they turn it around with better play, sure. I think the best way to achieve that is with better players and it appears this team really needs that. So legit question: If this is how Bloom spends $236M coming off an over-achieving winning year where your team almost won the World Series and a ‘closing window” year where you’re going to likely lose JD, Xander, Eovaldi, Kiké and Vazquez (an MLB average catcher), i s he the guy who you want with $100M-$130M of play money next year in the AL East? And if so, what has he done to earn such trust in your mind? if you asking me personally, no. I don't think he is. He is young, first time GM. He deserves an opportunity to perfect his trade. He has to think differently than he has previously, IMO. There has to be a willingness to overpay. Too much movement in the margins. I have heard all the points about his restrictions, some legit, but he has had the conn for 3 years. He has to learn to accept unreasonable risk.
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Post by manfred on May 1, 2022 18:56:17 GMT -5
My final Bloom position is this: I think he is getting too much of a pass for this season, BUT I am ok with one more “Dave’s fault” mulligan. But if the Sox are not substantially better next year, it is open season. At that point, he gas absolute freedom with pay, he’s cleared the guys he didn’t want, he’s got his guys like Franchy, Wink, Seabold, etc.
That’s it. I’ll check back on this subject next year.
Meanwhile, I will hope some guys warm up. What really hope is we see a few possible future pieces soon, especially Duran and Casas. Why not at this point? At least give us a reason to watch.
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Post by benzinger on May 1, 2022 19:06:53 GMT -5
So legit question: If this is how Bloom spends $236M coming off an over-achieving winning year where your team almost won the World Series and a ‘closing window” year where you’re going to likely lose JD, Xander, Eovaldi, Kiké and Vazquez (an MLB average catcher), i s he the guy who you want with $100M-$130M of play money next year in the AL East? And if so, what has he done to earn such trust in your mind? if you asking me personally, no. I don't think he is. He is young, first time GM. He deserves an opportunity to perfect his trade. He has to think differently than he has previously, IMO. There has to be a willingness to overpay. Too much movement in the margins. I have heard all the points about his restrictions, some legit, but he has had the conn for 3 years. He has to learn to accept unreasonable risk. They’ll be all set next year when they have Judge in RF.
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Post by incandenza on May 1, 2022 19:19:33 GMT -5
i respect this take. however, i think it undermines the randomness of baseball games. We have a bad product here. I don't see why that needs to be parsed. And it falls squarely on Bloom. Could they turn it around with better play, sure. I think the best way to achieve that is with better players and it appears this team really needs that. So legit question: If this is how Bloom spends $236M coming off an over-achieving winning year where your team almost won the World Series and a ‘closing window” year where you’re going to likely lose JD, Xander, Eovaldi, Kiké and Vazquez (an MLB average catcher), is he the guy who you want with $100M-$130M of play money next year in the AL East? And if so, what has he done to earn such trust in your mind? It is May 1st. You could say something right now like: they should have signed Suzuki instead of Story. But how will that hold up a month from now, let alone by the end of the season?
Personally, my incredibly boring offseason wish list was to re-sign Eduardo and Schwarber. If we are judging by the first three weeks of the season, Bloom was smarter than all of us who wanted to keep Eduardo by going with Wacha/Hill/Paxton instead. And I wanted Schwarber for his on base skills, but he's rocking a .298 OBP at the moment. (Admittedly, still better than the Red Sox as a whole, but not what you really want out of a $20 million player.)
ADD: From July 29th to August 18th, 2021, the Red Sox went 6-14. Much was said then, too, about how Bloom had blown it, in particular with regards to the trade deadline...
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