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cdj
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2022 16:23:52 GMT -5
I think you’re making a lot of assumptions in re: the leak. The leak said “consensual” if you recall and the Celtics have Never used that word once. Sounds to me like Ime’s camp was trying to get out in front of it And again, they’ve vetted that plenty in re: to Mazzulla. I think If the players and staff don’t have a problem with his character over a decade later and feel he’s a different person then I don’t have a problem with it. We shall see. In re: to why he isn’t fired yet- there are probably lawyers involved at the moment. The Celtics from what I watched of the press conference didn't say anything more than he broke team rules/violations. Shams tweet what you talked about also said what he did, not just consensual. So you think he completely outed himself? I find that highly unlikely. So you think all information was from Ime? Otherwise where did it come from? Where did the non stop flow of information come from? There shouldn't have been many people at that point with everything. Owner even said the tweets started right after they got the report a few days ago. How many people have seen that report? If they sent it to the whole organization, that's on them. Informative only a few people should have had leaked and that's what made this much worse than it should have been. So yeah I blame them. Once more you’re making a lot of assumptions to put blame on people with zero facts to back it up and the early reports had everything as consensual before more came out. That’s a fact and not an opinion. Do you think the Celtics would leak that things were consensual, when they in fact were not? Very illogical, basically doing mental gymnastics to validate an initial opinion Who do you think stands to benefit from that initial consensual report? Not difficult to figure that out! I’m not even saying it’s definite but there’s clearly more evidence pointing towards him. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 24, 2022 16:39:29 GMT -5
The Celtics from what I watched of the press conference didn't say anything more than he broke team rules/violations. Shams tweet what you talked about also said what he did, not just consensual. So you think he completely outed himself? I find that highly unlikely. So you think all information was from Ime? Otherwise where did it come from? Where did the non stop flow of information come from? There shouldn't have been many people at that point with everything. Owner even said the tweets started right after they got the report a few days ago. How many people have seen that report? If they sent it to the whole organization, that's on them. Informative only a few people should have had leaked and that's what made this much worse than it should have been. So yeah I blame them. Once more you’re making a lot of assumptions to put blame on people with zero facts to back it up and the early reports had everything as consensual before more came out. That’s a fact and not an opinion. Do you think the Celtics would leak that things were consensual, when they in fact were not? Very illogical, basically doing mental gymnastics to validate an initial opinion Who do you think stands to benefit from that initial consensual report? Not difficult to figure that out! I’m not even saying it’s definite but there’s clearly more evidence pointing towards him. You're making just as many assumptions, so why do you keep saying that? So I'm done. |
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Post by cdj on Sept 24, 2022 17:53:37 GMT -5
Once more you’re making a lot of assumptions to put blame on people with zero facts to back it up and the early reports had everything as consensual before more came out. That’s a fact and not an opinion. Do you think the Celtics would leak that things were consensual, when they in fact were not? Very illogical, basically doing mental gymnastics to validate an initial opinion Who do you think stands to benefit from that initial consensual report? Not difficult to figure that out! I’m not even saying it’s definite but there’s clearly more evidence pointing towards him. You're making just as many assumptions, so why do you keep saying that? So I'm done. In my Last sentence I’m saying it’s not 100% Ime’s camp doing the leaking, meanwhile you’re pretty much saying it is definitely the Celtics org leaking despite plenty of the evidence pointing to the contrary. It’s silliness and good- I’m glad you’re done with the silliness. The Celtics org has handled this about as well as they possibly could have. They didn’t ask for their 2nd year coach to be a total clown. And once more- the only way they could have prevented the speculation is by naming the woman/women. And that is just about the dumbest suggestion anybody here could make quite frankly. It’s not even like the leaks changed anything- the news was coming within hours anyway. I fail to see why the Celtics would leak that it was consensual when it clearly was not. Again….complete silliness. He’s getting fired for his actions, it’s a matter of when. They probably don’t want to let him immediately walk to a contender. So now he can actually be punished for being a scumbag. That’s good! Exactly what I want from a team who employs a higher up who they found out treats the women in the company like shit! Kudos Celtics, now he can’t immediately resume his career and suffers significant financial repercussions. He made his bed, he can sleep in it without people deflecting blame away from him and onto another party for this situation. Because make no mistake about it- it is 100% Ime’s fault. This situation doesn’t happen if he doesn’t repeatedly act like an asshole. And that’s not speculation- he did something really bad and now we’re left with this. Because I can tell you this- they probably did not want to fire a coach who reached the NBA finals in year 1 of his HC career. But I’m glad they have morals. And that all sucks because I grew to like him. Now I’ll be ashamed of the org if he ever coaches another second here. They would look stupid. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 25, 2022 10:35:20 GMT -5
Parts of Celtics knew late June/Early July about the relationship. No leaks, they order an investigation after the women males a complaint of unwanted comments. No leaks, nothing. Report comes back they make the decision to suspend him, leaks after leaks after leaks. So the Celtics have shown when they want to they can keep things in house.
Why would Ime out himself? You keep bringing up consensual, yet that tweet also talked about him cheating on Nia Long and breaking team rules. With the women that arranged her travel to Boston all year and just helped her move to Boston two weeks ago.
We've heard he was warned and didn't stop. For me the Shams tweet isn't wrong, it's just the start of this that only resulted in a warning. Then something happened and she filed a complaint, which started the investigation. Maybe she took the teams warnings seriously and he didn't, hence the complaint. Maybe that's all wrong, who knows this is a huge mess because of so many leaks.
We don't know who leaked the information, yet given our owners comments. The leaks started the minute the report came in and they were going to suspend him. Nothing for months and months came out, then it went crazy when only the Celtics had that information. No leaks, they hold a press conference and basically say nothing more than he violated multiple team rules. Speculation would take off, it wouldn't be aimed at every female in the Celtics organization. So yeah they leaked it or didn't take the nessary steps to make sure it wasn't leaked. Anyway it's their fault, that's a fact because they are the only ones with the report and knowing they are suspending the coach. Reports Ime was fighting to save his job, he agreed to a huge monetary fine. A simple you leak one word you get fired should have been said if they actually didn't want leaks.
Just my opinion yet for legal reasons they couldn't say what happened to the public. So they leaked it, so massive Speculation didn't last into the start of training camp and the season. They just did a very poor job of doing it. A Malcolm Butler situation would have been better here if you really wanted to protect the women in the Celtics organization. Perkins who's connected to the Celtics, blames the Celtics for the Leaks. Yes most of this is assumptions because their is very few facts. Disagreeing is fine, we all have different opinions, yet their are few actually facts also. Which is why this is such a huge mess. It's not always did they do the right thing in suspending him, it's also how you handle doing that.
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 25, 2022 10:41:16 GMT -5
The woman broke it off, He wasn’t letting it go and that’s where the problem started. I don’t know if this is true but he might be involved with 2 women. LIKE I SAID I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE.
HE IS ALL DONE.
I should of known better . Matt Barnes retracted what he said. He got the info from someone and said it’s 1000 times worse. I bet he talked to Paul Pierce. Now what is Stephen Smith stupid ass gonna say on ESPN.
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Post by cdj on Sept 25, 2022 10:56:40 GMT -5
Parts of Celtics knew late June/Early July about the relationship. No leaks, they order an investigation after the women males a complaint of unwanted comments. No leaks, nothing. Report comes back they make the decision to suspend him, leaks after leaks after leaks. So the Celtics have shown when they want to they can keep things in house. Why would Ime out himself? You keep bringing up consensual, yet that tweet also talked about him cheating on Nia Long and breaking team rules. With the women that arranged her travel to Boston all year and just helped her move to Boston two weeks ago. We've heard he was warned and didn't stop. For me the Shams tweet isn't wrong, it's just the start of this that only resulted in a warning. Then something happened and she filed a complaint, which started the investigation. Maybe she took the teams warnings seriously and he didn't, hence the complaint. Maybe that's all wrong, who knows this is a huge mess because of so many leaks. We don't know who leaked the information, yet given our owners comments. The leaks started the minute the report came in and they were going to suspend him. Nothing for months and months came out, then it went crazy when only the Celtics had that information. No leaks, they hold a press conference and basically say nothing more than he violated multiple team rules. Speculation would take off, it wouldn't be aimed at every female in the Celtics organization. So yeah they leaked it or didn't take the nessary steps to make sure it wasn't leaked. Anyway it's their fault, that's a fact because they are the only ones with the report and knowing they are suspending the coach. Reports Ime was fighting to save his job, he agreed to a huge monetary fine. A simple you leak one word you get fired should have been said if they actually didn't want leaks. Just my opinion yet for legal reasons they couldn't say what happened to the public. So they leaked it, so massive Speculation didn't last into the start of training camp and the season. They just did a very poor job of doing it. A Malcolm Butler situation would have been better here if you really wanted to protect the women in the Celtics organization. Perkins who's connected to the Celtics, blames the Celtics for the Leaks. Yes most of this is assumptions because their is very few facts. Disagreeing is fine, we all have different opinions, yet their are few actually facts also. Which is why this is such a huge mess. It's not always did they do the right thing in suspending him, it's also how you handle doing that. Yeah, agree to disagree here. I don’t feel like writing another novel for somebody who thinks Ime’s camp wouldn’t want to get out ahead of a story that’s going to make him look really awful in a couple days regardless. You clearly see things differently and are sticking with your initial position, and that’s fine |
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Post by cdj on Sept 26, 2022 9:01:11 GMT -5
I wonder if we can figure out a way to bring Crowder back
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Post by mobaz on Sept 26, 2022 9:10:35 GMT -5
I wonder if we can figure out a way to bring Crowder back Sounds like he was unhappy with role in Phoenix, which doesn't bode well here frankly. He should be embracing "10-30 minutes depending on game/injuries on a contender" but seems to think he might deserve more than that? |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 26, 2022 9:11:54 GMT -5
I wonder if we can figure out a way to bring Crowder back We should explore that option, I mean this team seriously can't be considering playing Kornet any meaningful minutes lol. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 27, 2022 10:31:19 GMT -5
Crowder is a better fit than Gallinari. If I had to guess the Sun's would want Pritchard. No more exceptions, so it's going to be almost impossible till you can trade Gallinari contract. So 3 team trade or you'd be trading a ton of players. Highly unlikely which is a shame.
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 30, 2022 6:44:32 GMT -5
Favors traded to the Rockets. If he gets bought out, we should get in on that action.
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Post by mobaz on Sept 30, 2022 7:23:35 GMT -5
Favors traded to the Rockets. If he gets bought out, we should get in on that action. Haven't been paying attention but just looked it up and he's averaged only 15 min a game the last 2 years (Age 29 & 30 seasons). I think he's one of those centers who has aged in dog years, so I'd worry we'll have two too-old bigs and it would bring more problems than the experience is worth. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2022 8:58:39 GMT -5
Favors last year on the Jazz was exactly what we need and his advanced numbers were crazy good. Then traded to rebuilding team. The only issue is the Rockets don't just dump guys, maybe after deadline if they can't move him. Even then they didn't buyout DS last year for some crazy reason.
The better question is what do we even run for offense and D? Our new coach just joined Imes staff a few months ago after Hardy left for Jazz. He didn't even have training camp under Imes systems. His only head coaching experience is division 2 and G-league.
I think the bigger need is adding a veteran NBA coach to help him. Ime struggled horrible in the beginning and he was much more experienced. Let's hope a crazy talent level just carries them as he learns his way.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 30, 2022 10:28:00 GMT -5
Wow!
Per Woj, Blake Griffin is signing a 1 year deal with Boston
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Post by rjp313jr on Sept 30, 2022 10:29:29 GMT -5
Celtics signed Blake Griffin to a vet minimum deal. Not the worst but nothing to be overly excited over. I will say he brings energy which is something to look at as a positive in a playoff series.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Sept 30, 2022 11:08:12 GMT -5
Not the worst option, small ball center that can still really pass. If it means no Kornet I'll take it.
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Post by cdj on Sept 30, 2022 17:04:14 GMT -5
Denzel Valentine waived to make room
Blake should help a little in the regular season, if he is getting run in the playoffs then we are likely in trouble
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 2, 2022 14:58:06 GMT -5
Just looked at the box of the first preseason game. Off to a good start. Hoping the team plays with a chip on its shoulder and puts the Ime mess quickly behind them
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Post by ianrs on Oct 2, 2022 16:06:03 GMT -5
Just looked at the box of the first preseason game. Off to a good start. Hoping the team plays with a chip on its shoulder and puts the Ime mess quickly behind them Brogdon adds a ton to our offense. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 3, 2022 5:35:23 GMT -5
Just looked at the box of the first preseason game. Off to a good start. Hoping the team plays with a chip on its shoulder and puts the Ime mess quickly behind them Brogdon adds a ton to our offense. I forgot how ugly his shot is… i can’t believe we need to watch that all year |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2022 13:10:20 GMT -5
Major difference already, Ime likely starts Grant Williams at PF, instead we get Tatum. Which given the roster is the right call.
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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2022 18:29:57 GMT -5
So who do we think makes it?
Do they have to make 5 cuts or is it 4 with Gallinari’s injury?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 4, 2022 22:23:44 GMT -5
You've got 20, Gallinari is going on IR. You can keep 15 plus two two-way players. So they have to cut two right? Could keep 15 spot open so they cut 3. Yet technically can you also move Robert Williams to IR and keep another guy? Yet unlikely given luxury tax implications.
I'd love to list Kornet #1, yet his contract likely saves him. So Layman, Samanic, Thomas, Jackson and Vonleh in that order of who gets cut first.
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Post by cdj on Oct 4, 2022 23:25:04 GMT -5
You've got 20, Gallinari is going on IR. You can keep 15 plus two two-way players. So they have to cut two right? Could keep 15 spot open so they cut 3. Yet technically can you also move Robert Williams to IR and keep another guy? Yet unlikely given luxury tax implications. I'd love to list Kornet #1, yet his contract likely saves him. So Layman, Samanic, Thomas, Jackson and Vonleh in that order of who gets cut first. I think I agree that Layman is first off and Vonleh is the mostly to make the team. Jackson probably makes it just on sheer experience. Seems like we have a toss up between Samanic and Thomas, with Thomas having the experience in the system edge. Yet Samanic is another depth big they could probably toss at the wall and pray it sticks. I think given the bigs situation I’m Samanic over Thomas |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 5, 2022 6:05:17 GMT -5
Not sure Cs have applied for the roster exception, have they? Unless/Until they do, Gallo is part of the 15. Then you have the 2 2-way guys.
I'll keep looking to see if they have but I couldn't find any reference to it last night.
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