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Post by TheCerebral1 on Aug 3, 2022 21:16:15 GMT -5
Lamet got waived by the Brewers, even if he's having an off season, that has to be a claim.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2022 21:16:47 GMT -5
Our grade from the Athletic on what happened during the trade deadline theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/Grade: D Trades: Traded C Christian Vázquez to Astros for INF Enmanuel Valdez and OF Wilyer Abreu; acquired OF Tommy Pham from Reds for PTBNL; acquired 1B Eric Hosmer, INF Max Ferguson, OF Corey Rosier and cash considerations from Padres for LHP Jay Groome; traded LHP Jake Diekman to White Sox for C Reese McGuire and PTBNL or cash considerations. The Red Sox were buying and selling at the deadline, but I’m not quite sure I understood their end game. Vázquez was too important in that locker room, and to their pitching staff, to trade him for two position players who were not even rated in the top 20 of the Astros’ farm system. Then, to turn around and acquire left fielder Tommy Pham, when you already have Alex Verdugo in left and J.D. Martinez at designated hitter, just didn’t add up. Trading for Eric Hosmer and taking on some of his salary in return for gaining two prospects made some sense, but it also will block first base prospect Triston Casas and let Bobby Dalbec know he’s not good enough. Hosmer will probably be released in the offseason, which makes me wonder if all of this was worth two mid-level prospects who will never start for you. Dumping Jake Diekman’s multi-year contract was smart. But overall, for a team so close in the wild-card race, trading Vázquez and adding Pham and Hosmer just didn’t add up for me. Did they get one of their football writers for this article? It's like he doesn't understand platoons and isn't aware that there's also a rightfield. Does the writer think that there's no way to rid yourself of a player with a ~2.2mil guarantee? If Dalbec doesn't know he's not good enough right now, he has some bigger issues to deal with. Thanks for posting soxfan. But this makes me happy I don't bother with an Athletic subscription. Edit: thanks CDJ - I didn't realize it was Bowden. Makes sense now (he may not be aware there is a rightfield). I don't pay for the subscrip - it comes free with a NYT subscrip. To be truthful, I've not read anything anywhere that is very positive on our trade deadline work. I know I am not.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 3, 2022 21:18:07 GMT -5
Our grade from the Athletic on what happened during the trade deadline theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/Grade: D Trades: Traded C Christian Vázquez to Astros for INF Enmanuel Valdez and OF Wilyer Abreu; acquired OF Tommy Pham from Reds for PTBNL; acquired 1B Eric Hosmer, INF Max Ferguson, OF Corey Rosier and cash considerations from Padres for LHP Jay Groome; traded LHP Jake Diekman to White Sox for C Reese McGuire and PTBNL or cash considerations. The Red Sox were buying and selling at the deadline, but I’m not quite sure I understood their end game. Vázquez was too important in that locker room, and to their pitching staff, to trade him for two position players who were not even rated in the top 20 of the Astros’ farm system. Then, to turn around and acquire left fielder Tommy Pham, when you already have Alex Verdugo in left and J.D. Martinez at designated hitter, just didn’t add up. Trading for Eric Hosmer and taking on some of his salary in return for gaining two prospects made some sense, but it also will block first base prospect Triston Casas and let Bobby Dalbec know he’s not good enough. Hosmer will probably be released in the offseason, which makes me wonder if all of this was worth two mid-level prospects who will never start for you. Dumping Jake Diekman’s multi-year contract was smart. But overall, for a team so close in the wild-card race, trading Vázquez and adding Pham and Hosmer just didn’t add up for me. This thing looks like it was written by a reporter who wanted to bang out a story by 11 a.m. and head out for a long lunch. He got the grade right - I'd also give them a D - but the rest of his take is uninformed. He questions acquiring Pham when they already had a LF and a DH. Pham will take ABs from JBJ. He won't impact Verdugo's playing time and JDM's name shouldn't even be in a paragraph about Pham. The stupidity of saying Hosmer will block Casas has already been addressed on this board. But this one is a killer: "Trading for Eric Hosmer and taking on some of his salary..." Taking on some of his salary? That's technically accurate but the amount they're taking on is miniscule. That was the whole idea of the trade. His description of Diekman's contract as "multi-year" makes it sound like they dumped a long, albatross contract. It's two years.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Aug 3, 2022 21:23:27 GMT -5
If JD is given a QO and he rejects it, I doubt there would be much of a market for him because of the compensation pick. No way would I give him a QO. Can`t believe he wasn`t traded. If I was another GM, I would not want JD at this point. He has no power and his average has fallen from .350 to .284 which means his last month has really sucked, and 1/3 of $19,350,000 is around $6,500,000. This “GM” would would not give much for that….
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 3, 2022 21:25:38 GMT -5
The one thing JDM and Evoladi have they won. There winners that counts for something to me.
I think ESPN said Bloom asking for a lot for Evoladi, I wonder if he has plans to sign him.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Aug 3, 2022 23:46:43 GMT -5
The one thing JDM and Evoladi have they won. There winners that counts for something to me. I think ESPN said Bloom asking for a lot for Evoladi, I wonder if he has plans to sign him. I think he just didn't want to trade him for the sake of trading him.
He's worth more to the team, albeit in a low-probability run to the playoffs this season, than some subpar prospects. For some cherry prospects, OTOH... but no one was offering their cherries.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Aug 3, 2022 23:52:04 GMT -5
My apologies if this has been addressed, but when is the next SP rankings update?
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Post by vokuhila on Aug 4, 2022 1:30:27 GMT -5
The one thing JDM and Evoladi have they won. There winners that counts for something to me. I think ESPN said Bloom asking for a lot for Evoladi, I wonder if he has plans to sign him. I think he just didn't want to trade him for the sake of trading him.
He's worth more to the team, albeit in a low-probability run to the playoffs this season, than some subpar prospects. For some cherry prospects, OTOH... but no one was offering their cherries.
I'M pretty sure that was the case with all the expiring contracts. They were gone for the right return, but that never came. Thor was a comparable trade target to Nate and look what the Angels got.
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Post by keninten on Aug 4, 2022 1:31:20 GMT -5
Did they get one of their football writers for this article? It's like he doesn't understand platoons and isn't aware that there's also a rightfield. Does the writer think that there's no way to rid yourself of a player with a ~2.2mil guarantee? If Dalbec doesn't know he's not good enough right now, he has some bigger issues to deal with. Thanks for posting soxfan. But this makes me happy I don't bother with an Athletic subscription. Edit: thanks CDJ - I didn't realize it was Bowden. Makes sense now (he may not be aware there is a rightfield). I don't pay for the subscrip - it comes free with a NYT subscrip. To be truthful, I've not read anything anywhere that is very positive on our trade deadline work. I know I am not. I`d pay for The Athletic over the NYT.
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Post by keninten on Aug 4, 2022 1:38:47 GMT -5
If JD is given a QO and he rejects it, I doubt there would be much of a market for him because of the compensation pick. No way would I give him a QO. Can`t believe he wasn`t traded. If I was another GM, I would not want JD at this point. He has no power and his average has fallen from .350 to .284 which means his last month has really sucked, and 1/3 of $19,350,000 is around $6,500,000. This “GM” would would not give much for that…. What about someone like Groome? or less?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 4, 2022 7:00:27 GMT -5
If I was another GM, I would not want JD at this point. He has no power and his average has fallen from .350 to .284 which means his last month has really sucked, and 1/3 of $19,350,000 is around $6,500,000. This “GM” would would not give much for that…. What about someone like Groome? or less? I can't imagine a GM that has a black hole at DH wouldn't give up an equivalent prospect just to try it out. Is JD worse than Andrew McCutchen at this point? Harold Ramirez is dealing with a broken thumb. The listed DH for St Louis doesn't seem like anything special. I just can't believe there was no market for him as a rental when his bat has the ability to carry a team. They also could have been creative and packaged him with Eovaldi or someone else to strengthen the return.
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 4, 2022 7:28:40 GMT -5
What about someone like Groome? or less? I can't imagine a GM that has a black hole at DH wouldn't give up an equivalent prospect just to try it out. Is JD worse than Andrew McCutchen at this point? Harold Ramirez is dealing with a broken thumb. The listed DH for St Louis doesn't seem like anything special. I just can't believe there was no market for him as a rental when his bat has the ability to carry a team. They also could have been creative and packaged him with Eovaldi or someone else to strengthen the return. I honestly think it’s possible the best they could have done was essentially the Pham deal, pure salary dump. JD has zero surplus value on his salary and he might have negative value.
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Post by cdj on Aug 4, 2022 7:39:37 GMT -5
JD is .303/.391/.596 lifetime in the playoffs, last year him and Kikè were their best playoff hitters. He’s in a midseason slump, I don’t think that gives him negative value overall though
They probably weren’t getting anything worthwhile offered for him and they figured they’d try to make that 3rd WC instead
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 4, 2022 8:17:31 GMT -5
Our grade from the Athletic on what happened during the trade deadline theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/Grade: D Trades: Traded C Christian Vázquez to Astros for INF Enmanuel Valdez and OF Wilyer Abreu; acquired OF Tommy Pham from Reds for PTBNL; acquired 1B Eric Hosmer, INF Max Ferguson, OF Corey Rosier and cash considerations from Padres for LHP Jay Groome; traded LHP Jake Diekman to White Sox for C Reese McGuire and PTBNL or cash considerations. The Red Sox were buying and selling at the deadline, but I’m not quite sure I understood their end game. Vázquez was too important in that locker room, and to their pitching staff, to trade him for two position players who were not even rated in the top 20 of the Astros’ farm system. Then, to turn around and acquire left fielder Tommy Pham, when you already have Alex Verdugo in left and J.D. Martinez at designated hitter, just didn’t add up. Trading for Eric Hosmer and taking on some of his salary in return for gaining two prospects made some sense, but it also will block first base prospect Triston Casas and let Bobby Dalbec know he’s not good enough. Hosmer will probably be released in the offseason, which makes me wonder if all of this was worth two mid-level prospects who will never start for you. Dumping Jake Diekman’s multi-year contract was smart. But overall, for a team so close in the wild-card race, trading Vázquez and adding Pham and Hosmer just didn’t add up for me. This thing looks like it was written by a reporter who wanted to bang out a story by 11 a.m. and head out for a long lunch. He got the grade right - I'd also give them a D - but the rest of his take is uninformed. He questions acquiring Pham when they already had a LF and a DH. Pham will take ABs from JBJ. He won't impact Verdugo's playing time and JDM's name shouldn't even be in a paragraph about Pham. The stupidity of saying Hosmer will block Casas has already been addressed on this board. But this one is a killer: "Trading for Eric Hosmer and taking on some of his salary..." Taking on some of his salary? That's technically accurate but the amount they're taking on is miniscule. That was the whole idea of the trade. His description of Diekman's contract as "multi-year" makes it sound like they dumped a long, albatross contract. It's two years. They literally moved Verdugo to RF and put Pham in LF game one. As long as Hosmer is on this team he's blocking Casas and Dalbec to a certain degree. Does Casas get called up now and get playing time? Diekman is a multi year contract. It's like you're complaining about him nitpicking, while doing the exact same thing.
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Post by cdj on Aug 4, 2022 8:19:29 GMT -5
This thing looks like it was written by a reporter who wanted to bang out a story by 11 a.m. and head out for a long lunch. He got the grade right - I'd also give them a D - but the rest of his take is uninformed. He questions acquiring Pham when they already had a LF and a DH. Pham will take ABs from JBJ. He won't impact Verdugo's playing time and JDM's name shouldn't even be in a paragraph about Pham. The stupidity of saying Hosmer will block Casas has already been addressed on this board. But this one is a killer: "Trading for Eric Hosmer and taking on some of his salary..." Taking on some of his salary? That's technically accurate but the amount they're taking on is miniscule. That was the whole idea of the trade. His description of Diekman's contract as "multi-year" makes it sound like they dumped a long, albatross contract. It's two years. They literally moved Verdugo to RF and put Pham in LF game one. As long as Hosmer is on this team he's blocking Casas and Dalbec to a certain degree. Does Casas get called up now and get playing time? Diekman is a multi year contract. It's like you're complaining about him nitpicking, while doing the exact same thing. He’s blocking him to zero degree, when he’s ready he’s called up and playing. Honestly your post is basically what you’re accusing him of
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 4, 2022 8:26:00 GMT -5
They literally moved Verdugo to RF and put Pham in LF game one. As long as Hosmer is on this team he's blocking Casas and Dalbec to a certain degree. Does Casas get called up now and get playing time? Diekman is a multi year contract. It's like you're complaining about him nitpicking, while doing the exact same thing. He’s blocking him to zero degree, when he’s ready he’s called up and playing. Honestly your post is basically what you’re accusing him of Bloom literally said in the post-deadline press conference “Triston’s timeline will be determined by Triston”
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Post by shagworthy on Aug 4, 2022 8:30:20 GMT -5
The Red Sox will designate veteran outfielder Jackie Bradley Jr. for assignment later today, reports Julian McWilliams of the Boston Globe.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 4, 2022 8:30:29 GMT -5
I’d give Bloom a C. I would upgrade to a B if they re-sign Bogaerts and Eovaldi, and downgrade to a D if they lose one or both after QOs.
On the one hand, getting under the cap is pretty inexplicable and a borderline fireable offense if we only get fourth round picks for Bogaerts and Eovaldi. Its pretty clear we aren’t going to compete with some of these behemoth rosters of other teams, so why are we over the cap? It’s even more outrageous when you consider the fact we are barely over the cap and could’ve easily got under it.
On the other hand, the Diekman deal was amazing, the Vázquez deal was good value, and he got Hosmer and Pham basically for free.
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Post by kwodes on Aug 4, 2022 8:42:28 GMT -5
The Red Sox will designate veteran outfielder Jackie Bradley Jr. for assignment later today, reports Julian McWilliams of the Boston Globe. Could the JBJ DFA be a corresponding move to claiming Lamet? Fingers crossed
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 4, 2022 8:45:13 GMT -5
I’d give Bloom a C. I would upgrade to a B if they re-sign Bogaerts and Eovaldi, and downgrade to a D if they lose one or both after QOs. On the one hand, getting under the cap is pretty inexplicable and a borderline fireable offense if we only get fourth round picks for Bogaerts and Eovaldi. Its pretty clear we aren’t going to compete with some of these behemoth rosters of other teams, so why are we over the cap? It’s even more outrageous when you consider the fact we are barely over the cap and could’ve easily got under it. On the other hand, the Diekman deal was amazing, the Vázquez deal was good value, and he got Hosmer and Pham basically for free. Was the Diekman deal amazing? You're behind the White Sox and so far he's 2.0 IP with 4k and 0 walks. I understand major SSS, but if he's good for them, and you're trying for WC3, then you just improved a team you're competing against.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 4, 2022 8:52:54 GMT -5
I’d give Bloom a C. I would upgrade to a B if they re-sign Bogaerts and Eovaldi, and downgrade to a D if they lose one or both after QOs. On the one hand, getting under the cap is pretty inexplicable and a borderline fireable offense if we only get fourth round picks for Bogaerts and Eovaldi. Its pretty clear we aren’t going to compete with some of these behemoth rosters of other teams, so why are we over the cap? It’s even more outrageous when you consider the fact we are barely over the cap and could’ve easily got under it. On the other hand, the Diekman deal was amazing, the Vázquez deal was good value, and he got Hosmer and Pham basically for free. Was the Diekman deal amazing? You're behind the White Sox and so far he's 2.0 IP with 4k and 0 walks. I understand major SSS, but if he's good for them, and you're trying for WC3, then you just improved a team you're competing against. Yes it was amazing. We got a backup catcher for several years and offloaded a bad contract. Diekman was a bad signing by Bloom but he corrected his mistake here. I applaud him for that.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 4, 2022 8:55:36 GMT -5
Was the Diekman deal amazing? You're behind the White Sox and so far he's 2.0 IP with 4k and 0 walks. I understand major SSS, but if he's good for them, and you're trying for WC3, then you just improved a team you're competing against. Yes it was amazing. We got a backup catcher for several years and offloaded a bad contract. Diekman was a bad signing by Bloom but he corrected his mistake here. I applaud him for that. Considering even if he's good for the White Sox and you didn't get under the luxury tax. If they did, fine, big win, but saving money doesn't matter if you're still going to be over and if your ultimate goal is to compete, you got a terrible backup catcher while making the club in front of you better. In a vacuum, I liked it, but only if they got under and made competing secondary to this season.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 4, 2022 9:02:31 GMT -5
Yes it was amazing. We got a backup catcher for several years and offloaded a bad contract. Diekman was a bad signing by Bloom but he corrected his mistake here. I applaud him for that. Considering even if he's good for the White Sox and you didn't get under the luxury tax. If they did, fine, big win, but saving money doesn't matter if you're still going to be over and if your ultimate goal is to compete, you got a terrible backup catcher while making the club in front of you better. In a vacuum, I liked it, but only if they got under and made competing secondary to this season. More SSS, McGuire is batting .667 with us, so he must be Ted Williams! Diekman pitched against the Royals who have lost Benintendi and Merrifield, so can’t imagine they were the toughest…
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Post by greenmonster on Aug 4, 2022 9:03:02 GMT -5
The Red Sox will designate veteran outfielder Jackie Bradley Jr. for assignment later today, reports Julian McWilliams of the Boston Globe. Could the JBJ DFA be a corresponding move to claiming Lamet? Fingers crossed I would imagine they have to be pretty confident in the corresponding move. Has Lamet cleared waivers yet? Are other teams in front of them on the waiver wire?? I don't think its a subsequent move from Tuesdays dealings or am I missing something.... Out: Vazquez, Franchy, Ref (IL) In: Pham, McGuire, Hosmer
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 4, 2022 9:14:44 GMT -5
Yes it was amazing. We got a backup catcher for several years and offloaded a bad contract. Diekman was a bad signing by Bloom but he corrected his mistake here. I applaud him for that. Considering even if he's good for the White Sox and you didn't get under the luxury tax. If they did, fine, big win, but saving money doesn't matter if you're still going to be over and if your ultimate goal is to compete, you got a terrible backup catcher while making the club in front of you better. In a vacuum, I liked it, but only if they got under and made competing secondary to this season. I am with you on the cap. But they will probably get under the cap next season and offloading 4M next year is key for that.
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