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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 7, 2022 12:35:51 GMT -5
I'm kinda disappointed that Zac Gallen has decided to have an Orel Hershiser streak and that Arizona has decided to be, like, interesting, because otherwise Gallen might have been a plausible target without selling everything on the farm. As it is, I think the best chance for a trade is probably going back to their pals in Milwaukee's front office and seeing if they're interested in selling off more arbitration eligible pitching. Woodruff might be gettable for something like Yorke/Houck/Coffey. That doesn't matter. Arizona is pretty consistent in making dumb moves. Good target.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 7, 2022 15:20:48 GMT -5
Anyone up for trading a bag of baseball for Eduardo Rodriguez and some cash?
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Post by xdmo on Sept 7, 2022 15:22:54 GMT -5
Anyone up for trading a bag of baseball for Eduardo Rodriguez and some cash? Would the Tigers do this? He's still 29 and I think they were hoping for a bounce back after dreadful 2022. They thought the rebuild was done last off-season.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 7, 2022 15:27:03 GMT -5
Anyone up for trading a bag of baseball for Eduardo Rodriguez and some cash? Don't think it's a conversation. Maybe it has everything to do with the distractions and time off, but fastball velo is down a full MPH, and his k/9 has dropped drastically. BB/9 is up as well. I think Detroit has some regrets about this past offseason, who knows what their new GM will do, could clear out Avilas signings
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Post by shagworthy on Sept 7, 2022 15:34:43 GMT -5
Anyone up for trading a bag of baseball for Eduardo Rodriguez and some cash? Don't think it's a conversation. Maybe it has everything to do with the distractions and time off, but fastball velo is down a full MPH, and his k/9 has dropped drastically. BB/9 is up as well. I think Detroit has some regrets about this past offseason, who knows what their new GM will do, could clear out Avilas signings Hard pass. Best thing we did was let him walk. I have sympathy for his personal problems, but I still never can get over how many times he quit on the team when things weren't going his way on the mound. Was it probably 50% Farrell's fault? Sure, but I'll take a guy like Lackey who will fight you with fists to take the ball away from them, then a guy like Erod who would look into the dugout like Oliver Twist when any hardship was put in front of him.
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Post by julyanmorley on Sept 7, 2022 15:39:04 GMT -5
ERod has 1/14, and then a 3/49 player option, so pretty much 4/63
Tigers prob gotta eat like $30 million before someone shows interest
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Sept 7, 2022 16:01:14 GMT -5
I'm kinda disappointed that Zac Gallen has decided to have an Orel Hershiser streak and that Arizona has decided to be, like, interesting, because otherwise Gallen might have been a plausible target without selling everything on the farm. As it is, I think the best chance for a trade is probably going back to their pals in Milwaukee's front office and seeing if they're interested in selling off more arbitration eligible pitching. Woodruff might be gettable for something like Yorke/Houck/Coffey. I think Gallen could still very well be a possibility. Arizona should be a good trade match for the sox being that they are not even close to contending I'd imagine they would be more inclined to acquire high upside prospects who are further away. Guys like Bleis, Romero, Coffey, Jordan, gonzalez, perales could all interest them.
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Post by redsoxpride34 on Sept 7, 2022 16:06:41 GMT -5
If I'm bloom I would not bring back wacha, eovaldi or paxton. Paxton there is no way that option should be picked up. He'll be 34 and coming off another injury plus still needing to build up innings after missing time due to TJ. Evoaldi is far too injury prone and wacha I think will get overpaid based on this season but has been very inconsistent for years now. He could just as easily revert to a 4.5-5 era pitcher next season. The only FA pitcher I'd like to see them take a legit run at is Edwin Diaz. Any starters that are brought in should come via trade. This team really needs a top of the rotation guy and I'd target someone like Zach Gallen. I'd also look at miami and see what it would take to get a pablo lopez or maybe even sandy alcantara. Another option could be Aaron Nola. While your plan of "simply get another team's ace and make them play for the Red Sox" sounds nice on the face of it, I think you need to specify which two of Mayer, Casas, Bello, and Yorke you're willing to give up (as a start) to make it happen. I think Gallen or Lopez could be had without touching any of Mayer, Bello or Casas. Both Arizona and Miami are a ways from contention so guys like Bleis, Romero, Jordan, Gonzalez, Perales, etc. could all be of interest. The sox have the ammo to make a big trade without touching the big 3.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 7, 2022 16:14:35 GMT -5
While your plan of "simply get another team's ace and make them play for the Red Sox" sounds nice on the face of it, I think you need to specify which two of Mayer, Casas, Bello, and Yorke you're willing to give up (as a start) to make it happen. I think Gallen or Lopez could be had without touching any of Mayer, Bello or Casas. Both Arizona and Miami are a ways from contention so guys like Bleis, Romero, Jordan, Gonzalez, Perales, etc. could all be of interest. The sox have the ammo to make a big trade without touching the big 3. It'd be criminal to trade Bleis for Pablo Lopez. His stuff simply won't play in the AL East, and he's got a checkered injury history. If you look at his splits against teams against teams over .500, he projects out to be a low number 4. His ERA balloons to 4.77 (2.78 against sub .500), with a WHIP of 1.28
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Post by bosox904 on Sept 7, 2022 16:28:17 GMT -5
I'm kinda disappointed that Zac Gallen has decided to have an Orel Hershiser streak and that Arizona has decided to be, like, interesting, because otherwise Gallen might have been a plausible target without selling everything on the farm. As it is, I think the best chance for a trade is probably going back to their pals in Milwaukee's front office and seeing if they're interested in selling off more arbitration eligible pitching. Woodruff might be gettable for something like Yorke/Houck/Coffey. I think Gallen could still very well be a possibility. Arizona should be a good trade match for the sox being that they are not even close to contending I'd imagine they would be more inclined to acquire high upside prospects who are further away. Guys like Bleis, Romero, Coffey, Jordan, gonzalez, perales could all interest them. I could see Arizona contending for a WC spot by 2024, depending how Alek Thomas and Carrol progress. Gallen is only 26 and they may view him as oart if the future. Lawlar could very well be Arizona next September. They have some intriguing arms in AA and above too in Brandon Pfaadt, Renee Nelson and Blake Walston. Drey Jameson is another. And yes, some if not all probably have terrible looking ERAs, but it's one if the most hitter friendly environments in all baseball in the states.i wouldn't be surprised to see Druw Jones fly through the minors like Lawlar either.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 8, 2022 7:40:37 GMT -5
I think Gallen or Lopez could be had without touching any of Mayer, Bello or Casas. Both Arizona and Miami are a ways from contention so guys like Bleis, Romero, Jordan, Gonzalez, Perales, etc. could all be of interest. The sox have the ammo to make a big trade without touching the big 3. It'd be criminal to trade Bleis for Pablo Lopez. His stuff simply won't play in the AL East, and he's got a checkered injury history. If you look at his splits against teams against teams over .500, he projects out to be a low number 4. His ERA balloons to 4.77 (2.78 against sub .500), with a WHIP of 1.28 If I'm calling up Miami with the intention of giving up top prospects I'm asking about Alcantara.....which to be fair might be a pipe dream and is costing you Mayer + Bleis plus. That might be a lot for some people to stomach, but it gives you a legit ACE, and if Sale can stay healthy next year now you have WS caliber 1-2 punch at the top of your rotation.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 12, 2022 20:29:09 GMT -5
Imo, the call to make with Miami is to take on one of Garcia or Soler. Their owner came out today and let it know he wasn't happy about this season, and the article highlighted those ones as problems. Garcia is due 3/36, and Soler 2/24, and I'd gladly take on one of those for Edward Cabrera.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 12, 2022 22:44:17 GMT -5
Imo, the call to make with Miami is to take on one of Garcia or Soler. Their owner came out today and let it know he wasn't happy about this season, and the article highlighted those ones as problems. Garcia is due 3/36, and Soler 2/24, and I'd gladly take on one of those for Edward Cabrera. That’s not a bad ideal, but what are the odds Soler opts out and is a free agent anyways? Perhaps low with his injury history. I like Soler in RF, but I’d like him better as a platoon bat with a LHH and see him spend some time at DH, maybe you get a cleaner bill of health with him seeing less time on the field. Maybe Garcia gets you there with a lesser prospect.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 12, 2022 23:13:24 GMT -5
Imo, the call to make with Miami is to take on one of Garcia or Soler. Their owner came out today and let it know he wasn't happy about this season, and the article highlighted those ones as problems. Garcia is due 3/36, and Soler 2/24, and I'd gladly take on one of those for Edward Cabrera. That’s not a bad ideal, but what are the odds Soler opts out and is a free agent anyways? Perhaps low with his injury history. I like Soler in RF, but I’d like him better as a platoon bat with a LHH and see him spend some time at DH, maybe you get a cleaner bill of health with him seeing less time on the field. Maybe Garcia gets you there with a lesser prospect. I'd put the odds at 0. He's out the rest of the season, and just finished the worst year of his career. I don't even care if the Sox keep him tbh, wouldn't even factor him into any plans. Give him a handful of games to see if he's worth the roster spot, and then consider Cabrera a $12m pitcher the next 2 seasons.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 12, 2022 23:20:14 GMT -5
That’s not a bad ideal, but what are the odds Soler opts out and is a free agent anyways? Perhaps low with his injury history. I like Soler in RF, but I’d like him better as a platoon bat with a LHH and see him spend some time at DH, maybe you get a cleaner bill of health with him seeing less time on the field. Maybe Garcia gets you there with a lesser prospect. I'd put the odds at 0. He's out the rest of the season, and just finished the worst year of his career. I don't even care if the Sox keep him tbh, wouldn't even factor him into any plans. Give him a handful of games to see if he's worth the roster spot, and then consider Cabrera a $12m pitcher the next 2 seasons. Totally forgot he’s out, yeah I think he’s still good if healthy. Still, it couldn’t be the only other move the Sox make in the OF. But it might take that type of creativity to strengthen the rotation and keep the farm
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Sept 12, 2022 23:24:45 GMT -5
I'd put the odds at 0. He's out the rest of the season, and just finished the worst year of his career. I don't even care if the Sox keep him tbh, wouldn't even factor him into any plans. Give him a handful of games to see if he's worth the roster spot, and then consider Cabrera a $12m pitcher the next 2 seasons. Totally forgot he’s out, yeah I think he’s still good if healthy. Still, it couldn’t be the only other move the Sox make in the OF. But it might take that type of creativity to strengthen the rotation and keep the farm In this pipe dream, Soler doesn't even stick around long if at all, just buying Cabrera at an extreme discount.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 12, 2022 23:35:20 GMT -5
Totally forgot he’s out, yeah I think he’s still good if healthy. Still, it couldn’t be the only other move the Sox make in the OF. But it might take that type of creativity to strengthen the rotation and keep the farm In this pipe dream, Soler doesn't even stick around long if at all, just buying Cabrera at an extreme discount. If you’re going to hit the pipe and dream, dream big. Soler comes back strong and is traded after next season. That might not be highly probable, but there’s more than a remote chance he rebounds. But like you said, you’re doing it for the pitching.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Sept 13, 2022 5:28:14 GMT -5
Pass that pipe here, I’ll take both Garcia and Soler and throw in a prospect for Cabrera if they throw in Bass and Nardi
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Sept 14, 2022 8:55:52 GMT -5
I go back and forth every day on whether or not I want Wacha back. The peripherals are pretty good, not great. The results are fantastic. It’ll be interesting to see what his market is. There’s only so much room in the rotation and I think many people are clamoring for a splash or a big upgrade.
It’s irrational, intangible, and rooted in emotion, but it’d be nice to see a player do well for us for a limited time and return with a fair contract. I always wonder what could have been with Jason Bay (disastrous with the Mets, as it stands, but maybe not if he had stayed here), Victor Martinez, Adrian Beltre, Billy Wagner, Rich Hill himself multiple times, etc.
Sometimes it works out (Koji, Mitch Moreland, Eovaldi). Sometimes it doesn’t. It might not always be the smartest baseball in terms of constructing a team, depending on the player, but it does endear the player to the fans. I think this is the subtext to a lot of Bloom conversations here. “Good” GMs create likable and marketable (and yes, winning) teams for the average fan or fans who aren’t statistically inclined but also appreciate and understand the immense significance of statistics, analytics, and roster/prospect depth in baseball. It’s often extremely difficult to appease everyone and reconcile the two, but, ultimately, winning is the goal.
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Post by seamus on Sept 14, 2022 10:34:39 GMT -5
I would want Wacha back at something like 2/25 or 3/35, but I certainly wouldn't want him to be the top pitcher signed/acquired this offseason. I think he can be the last man in your playoff rotation, though.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Sept 14, 2022 17:49:46 GMT -5
My first call this offseason would be to Miami and see if the Marlins have soured on Trevor Rogers. Hes been better lately and for the first month of the season was kind of getting unlucky before the wheels fell off. Wouldn't be a bad gamble by any means if they can steal him.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 21, 2022 11:49:19 GMT -5
In response to Cora suggesting that Whitlock is probably going to be looked at primarily as a starter in 2023…
IMO, it makes perfect sense to again try Whitlock as a starter.
1) Sale 2) Bello 3) Whitlock 4) Pivetta 5) FA / Wacha / trade (least likely IMO) 6) Crawford 7) Winckowski 8) Mata / Seabold / Walter / Ward other MiLB who emerges 9) Minor League FA
Their is very few FA starting pitchers that would be any better than Whitlock (and the Red Sox will already need 1, so why pay for a second starter when the FA list is so thin with quality starters?
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Post by ematz1423 on Sept 21, 2022 12:15:10 GMT -5
In response to Cora suggesting that Whitlock is probably going to be looked at primarily as a starter in 2023… IMO, it makes perfect sense to again try Whitlock as a starter. 1) Sale 2) Bello 3) Whitlock 4) Pivetta 5) FA / Wacha / trade (least likely IMO) 6) Crawford 7) Winckowski 8) Mata / Seabold / Walter / Ward other MiLB who emerges 9) Minor League FA Their is very few FA starting pitchers that would be any better than Whitlock (and the Red Sox will already need 1, so why pay for a second starter when the FA list is so thin with quality starters? I'd probably take Sale slide him to 5th but in an ideal world Sale can be a top of the rotation guy but at this point they'll be lucky to get anything out of him, hate to say it but that's just the way it's been with him. Which would leave them with Bello and Whitlock as 1 and 2. Once again in an ideal world I do believe that they can be an effective 1-2 punch in a rotation but that's probably asking too much out of them for this coming season. Pivetta at 3 isn't going to cut it though so once again assuming an ideal world I'd really like to see them get an established 1 or 2 starter to push everyone down one spot and theoretically have a really strong rotation but that obviously isn't coming cheap and I don't think that'll happen. I'd say bring Wacha back and get another Wacha type who can perhaps out perform his contract to slide in to the 5th starter role. Crawford/Wink/Mata/Seabold/Walter/Ward and other MiLb who emerges is pretty good depth to have for the rotation.
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Sept 21, 2022 13:00:43 GMT -5
In response to Cora suggesting that Whitlock is probably going to be looked at primarily as a starter in 2023… IMO, it makes perfect sense to again try Whitlock as a starter. 1) Sale 2) Bello 3) Whitlock 4) Pivetta 5) FA / Wacha / trade (least likely IMO) 6) Crawford 7) Winckowski 8) Mata / Seabold / Walter / Ward other MiLB who emerges 9) Minor League FA Their is very few FA starting pitchers that would be any better than Whitlock (and the Red Sox will already need 1, so why pay for a second starter when the FA list is so thin with quality starters? I'd probably take Sale slide him to 5th but in an ideal world Sale can be a top of the rotation guy but at this point they'll be lucky to get anything out of him, hate to say it but that's just the way it's been with him. Which would leave them with Bello and Whitlock as 1 and 2. Once again in an ideal world I do believe that they can be an effective 1-2 punch in a rotation but that's probably asking too much out of them for this coming season. Pivetta at 3 isn't going to cut it though so once again assuming an ideal world I'd really like to see them get an established 1 or 2 starter to push everyone down one spot and theoretically have a really strong rotation but that obviously isn't coming cheap and I don't think that'll happen. I'd say bring Wacha back and get another Wacha type who can perhaps out perform his contract to slide in to the 5th starter role. Crawford/Wink/Mata/Seabold/Walter/Ward and other MiLb who emerges is pretty good depth to have for the rotation. Agreed, the Red Sox absolutely need Wacha back! In an ideal world they would sign a #1 or #2, but I just do not see a 1 or 2 worth what it will take to sign them, so it would not be worth spending the money on them. My list was in no particular order, but if I were to put them in order it would be: 1) Wacha 2) Bello 3) Whitlock 4) Pivetta 5) Sale ( with 47 total innings in the last three years, you do not know what you will get as far as quantity of innings). There will be plenty of innings for #6-9, but hopefully less than this year!
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Post by nomar on Sept 21, 2022 14:28:22 GMT -5
Everyone seems so sold on Wacha. I think he’s a high chance of regression candidate, and we’d be buying high. Curious to see what Bloom does there
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