Patriots 2022 Season Thread

Does Mac Jones suck? I thought he would be a top 10 qb by years end.

Whoops. He was one stupid roughing the passer penalty away from losing this game.

Mac made good decisions with the ball and was super accurate last season. This year he’s routinely throwing it up for grabs. It’s the worst 1st to 2nd year regression since rg3.

Judge is basically the Qb coach. Look how much better Daniel Jones looks without him. Look how much worse Mac looks this year with him.


My case is concluded

Given what we just watched are we really still calling out coaches? How in the world can you say it's our offensive coaching or QB coach given Zappe? They just did a nice job adjusting. They had to pull strange and insert Wynn in second half because he was getting killed. Marcus Cannon just isn't good anymore. You can blame the offensive coaches, yet I'm fairly certain moving Wynn from LT was Bill. Trent Brown has been up and down. The OL was crap abd the coaches found ways to work with it, that's rather impressive.

Mac Jones needs a very good OL just like Brady and we don't have that. Two weeks in a row a good DL exposes them. This week the coaching adjusted like Patriots normally do and we got a win against a team that looked better. Add in the rookie RB they just lost, the AFC east is crazy toughest division in football.

Been watching a lot of tape on Mac Jones and Zappe. We have to stop blaming the coaches. Mac Jones is not seeing the field and is missing tons of open guys. It's NFL these guys will play in a bunch of different offenses with a bunch of different OC in their careers. The fact Zappe picks it up better is on Mac, not coaches. He's trying to do too much and forgetting the basics. He's trying to force things, rather than take what the D gives him. OL isn't helping. Neither is the fact that he's not good throwing while moving, Zappe is. Rather big given our OL. Yet he's doing much more of that, even running compared to last year. He needs to improve because he moves well enough that he should be doing that crap. It add an element to his game and this offense.

I'd also point out since week 13 last year outside the crappy Jaguars he was looking the same way basically. This is more taking the training wheels off than our coaches. Doesn't mean he sucks, does mean he needs to improve and he needs a great OL. Does mean he needs to be able to pick his shots going deep, limit turnovers and go through his reads. It's not really surprising when you think back to his Bama days, he never dealt with pressure like we just watched, while not having the ability to dominate in the run game.

The fact you don't have those typical slot guys Brady had also is an issue and why I wanted one so bad. Meyers wins with route running, not crazy natural short area quickness. If he had a Welker or Edelman type you'd have the option of those quick passes when the OL is crap. I love Meyers, yet that's the issue with him in the slot. You're now left trying to design plays to get guys open, rather than a Welker/Edelman just using natural ability every play. That's on Bill not the OC and coaches. The idea that Junno Smith could be that guy was crazy and a big part of our issues.

One thing I will blame on MP is trying to focus on Junno more than Bourne. Likely what Bill told him, trying to get value from his crazy expensive TE investment. Yet let's be real Junno isn't that good, he can't run routes and get open, he can't make contested catches. He's literally like a RB that you dump the ball to and let run. Yet he's not better than Stevenson in that role. He's not a good blocker, they usually use Henry when they keep a guy in to pick up blitzing. MP needs to do what McDaniels did and basically bench him.

Great point it's a wrap.

They definitely needed to go more vertical, that doesn’t mean he needs to lead the NFL in depth of target. Should be a happy medium that they find there. This week was down because he was under a lot of pressure





I also think Zappe gets his shit rocked by the Jets defense like he was starting to against the Bears so idk if I’d use him as an example, especially since they simplified things for him and had him get the ball out quickly and short- there was some vertical stuff but a lot of it was quick reads


Mac has clearly regressed though- to me he’s the same player, just less confident and decisive. So what’s changed from last season to this season (other than me trading for him in my dynasty league)? Answer is pretty obvious to me


Edit: I do want to be clear that Mac isn’t blameless though, some of those decisions early in the game yesterday were brutal. Like there’s no defense of the pick 6 that got called back, that was probably worse than anything Newton threw

Mac's problems are definitely more than the coaching swap. If McDaniels was some magic cure, why has Carr regressed so much under the same guy despite the addition of arguably the best receiver in the NFL? By no means do I think Patricia and Judge are elite offensive coaches, but the play calling hasn't been a big issue overall imo (individual situations and plays yes, but you could say the same about Josh the last few years).

I've seen narratives that Daboll has unlocked Daniel Jones (PFF has him playing worse than he has the last two years, QBR has him slightly ahead of his first two years) as proof Judge stinks, or that Mac's struggles compared to last year prove Patricia stinks, but if you keep that same energy with the Raiders you'd come to the conclusion that Josh stinks - yet he's the same guy who could supposedly turn Mac back into a competent NFL starter.

To be fair, some QB's are going to click with certain coordinators and especially certain schemes, but there's way more to it. Last year, Mac looked like he was going through his progressions quickly, making the right read most of the time, and did a good job of limiting mistakes. The focus has been on his turnovers which of course are killers and unacceptable, but he flat out hasn't made many big plays or big time throws, and he's especially struggled in the red zone. I also think including last year Mac has feasted against bad defensive teams but struggles to make plays consistently against better units, which is typical of a lower mid-tier NFL QB. The system is less complex now by all accounts, so I don't think it's an issue of him picking it up/understanding it, he's just not making the correct reads enough and even when he does it's a bit late - and that's not to mention his actual throws.

Now I’m rly concerned

Per Miguel, here's the impact of trading any of the most commonly named trade candidates from the Pats:

Isaiah Wynn - 5,785,000
Nelson Agholor - 5,470,588
Jakobi Meyers - 2,214,444
Jabrill Peppers - 583,333
Damien Harris - 536,111
DeVante Parker - 3,201,389 (now injured)
Kendrick Bourne - 3,091,503

If they don't make a move, I'd expect some restructured deals after this week (they need to create room for the rest of the season and are on a bye).

EDIT - Jeremy Fowler saying that he doesn't think Wynn is getting moved. Kyed wonders if they'd try moving the Ts back to their original positions.

Vikings getting Hockenson + 4th from the Lions for a 2nd + 3rd

I would have liked that one, he can do a much of different things and you get another year on his rookie deal.

Dolphins getting Chubb.