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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 2, 2022 17:56:52 GMT -5
Becoming less enamored with the Patriots defense today.
Defense almost gave up a back breaking TD if GB could just hold onto the ball.
Now Zappe is going to embarrass GB from the 1 yard line.
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Post by cdj on Oct 2, 2022 18:42:32 GMT -5
Bill’s coward ball loses them yet another winnable game
Gotta be 3 or 4 of them the last two years
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Post by cdj on Oct 2, 2022 18:51:12 GMT -5
Still can’t believe the stupidity of the coaching staff at the end of the game. Packers can’t stop the run and you have 2 plays to get 5 yards. Brutal 3rd down call with Zappe looking panicky, then absolute coward ball from Belichick
This is on the coaching staff
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Post by xdmo on Oct 2, 2022 19:28:07 GMT -5
Football gets pretty boring when you know the season is over after week 4, or when GOAT HOF QB leaves.
Best situation is you get lined up for a top 5 pick and maybe get in line to get whoever you want in the draft. Hopefully you get lucky.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 2, 2022 19:35:46 GMT -5
Still can’t believe the stupidity of the coaching staff at the end of the game. Packers can’t stop the run and you have 2 plays to get 5 yards. Brutal 3rd down call with Zappe looking panicky, then absolute coward ball from Belichick This is on the coaching staff They should have thrown on 2nd down instead of 3rd. Very predictable offense in OT. |
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Post by xdmo on Oct 2, 2022 19:44:34 GMT -5
Still can’t believe the stupidity of the coaching staff at the end of the game. Packers can’t stop the run and you have 2 plays to get 5 yards. Brutal 3rd down call with Zappe looking panicky, then absolute coward ball from Belichick This is on the coaching staff They should have thrown on 2nd down instead of 3rd. Very predictable offense in OT. Yeah I'm pretty sure Matt Patricia is just trying to hang on to a job for as long as he can. He certainly doesn't seem good at anything he does, but Bill loves him some reason. Must be the beard. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 2, 2022 20:24:26 GMT -5
So the genius decided to give him the ball back needing a score to win
Is this guy losing it? It’s like watching Dylan Bundy throw 88 these days. Total shell of himself
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 2, 2022 21:50:32 GMT -5
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Post by marrcus on Oct 2, 2022 21:57:22 GMT -5
Q. "Bill did you designate someone to be ready in case Zappe went down as 3rd QB?"
A. Bill : "Of Course."
Q. "Could you tell us who that was?"
A. Bill:"Well it didn't come down to that so..."(no).
Right after Zappe sack/fumble they get a break when the GB WR trips/falls down leading to Pats pic and 7 pts. They seemed to be playing with greater verve today. Not really going after the W hurt.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 2, 2022 22:12:37 GMT -5
So the genius decided to give him the ball back needing a score to win Is this guy losing it? It’s like watching Dylan Bundy throw 88 these days. Total shell of himself Would be awesome if that statement was even true. Very, very beatable. They played for the tie at the end. I also find it very annoying Bill wouldn't say who next in line was. Why? Is it really going to make a difference if teams know they have to prepare for Kendrick Bourne or Devante Parker at QB? |
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Post by cdj on Oct 2, 2022 22:31:21 GMT -5
So the genius decided to give him the ball back needing a score to win Is this guy losing it? It’s like watching Dylan Bundy throw 88 these days. Total shell of himself Would be awesome if that statement was even true. Very, very beatable. They played for the tie at the end. I also find it very annoying Bill wouldn't say who next in line was. Why? Is it really going to make a difference if teams know they have to prepare for Kendrick Bourne or Devante Parker at QB? It was definitely just gonna be a wildcat with Harris/Stevenson |
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 2, 2022 22:46:20 GMT -5
I think I've seen and heard about enough from Belichick. Time to move on. He can take Patricia and Judge with him.
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Post by xdmo on Oct 3, 2022 0:58:48 GMT -5
I think I've seen and heard about enough from Belichick. Time to move on. He can take Patricia and Judge with him. Listening to Belichick was acceptable when the winning was consistent. Post Tom Brady Era, it has been like listening to a 5 year old who's making excuses why he didn't wet the bed in the middle of the night. It's been hard to listen to. You obviously respect him in his early 2000's years for his coaching prowess. He was built to be a head coach in that ERA. Where toughness was a thing that could get you wins. In the passing ERA of football (early 2010's ERA and beyond), you either have that talent or you don't. You can't coach around that. The rules are set where you can't win outside of that anymore. No more late hits, hard hits, hitting QB after play is dead to get inside their head. So what you have is a old school head coach making excuses for why his team couldn't win against (a over the hill) Aaron Rodgers who tried to give the game to you. The Packers tried to give you a free win, but everyone knew the Patriots had no players who could actually grab that win. It's just a sad situation. Bill should have retired when Tom left. Belichick would have went out on top, and Brady would have kept going because he's just a different animal. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2022 9:56:54 GMT -5
Patriots bringing back Jamie Collins, per Reiss. No word on whether it's PS or Active roster (which would also suggest no word on counter move).
EDIT - I forgot the counter move was already made with Cajuste going on IR over the weekend.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 3, 2022 11:43:26 GMT -5
#TankForWillAnderson
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2022 13:19:42 GMT -5
Are people really calling for BB head because of how he handled a third string rookie QB?
No Mac Jones injury you are likely 2-2 and that's impressive given the schedule. MP offense just scored 24 points with backup QBs.
Myles Bryant needs to go, time for Marcus Jones and Shaun Wade.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2022 13:45:39 GMT -5
My initial reaction to the comments above (prior to UMass' post) were "you're watching this team incorrectly".
Also, any leader (in any aspect of life) that changes their disposition based on success or failure is probably not a very good leader.
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Post by cdj on Oct 3, 2022 15:10:15 GMT -5
My initial reaction to the comments above (prior to UMass' post) were "you're watching this team incorrectly". Also, any leader (in any aspect of life) that changes their disposition based on success or failure is probably not a very good leader. Oh I’m absolutely watching this team correctly, they played coward ball and lost because of it. Game got punted away, literally. People are totally in the right to criticize that. The backup rookie QB thing isn’t an excuse either, if it was you certainly don’t have him drop back on 3rd and 5 in go-for-it territory against a defense that can’t stop the run. Do I think BB should be fired? No. Do I think yesterday he was an idiot and his explanation made no sense at all? Absolutely I do People can be happy with their moral victories if they want to be- I’m not going to be because that game was theirs to win. They should be 2-2 today. And I blame 0% of it on the players. As far as Myles Bryant goes I liked him when he broke in….he’s hot garbage now. Play anybody but him. I’m always a fan of adding Jamie Collins, that’s my guy. Even if he kinda stinks now. Should help against the run I think though and that’s where they need help at LB. I like him more than Tavai. |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2022 15:21:12 GMT -5
This team, by all accounts, was going nowhere when the season started. Then they lost their top 2 QBs and still took a decent (albeit over-rated and past their prime) team to overtime and lost (in a season where a win or loss here or there doesn't really change the overall picture).
You're watching them incorrectly bc you have hope for them winning something meaningful. They didn't and they don't. The outcome of the game doesn't change that. Instead, you should be looking for individual development and improvement. Look for players who can/should be a part of NE's next very good (or better team) and who they should get rid of. Enjoy the games without worrying about the outcomes bc they, largely, don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Also, the ONLY reason they were even IN this came was bc of BB and the coaching staff. If you don't understand that, I'm not sure what to say.
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Post by cdj on Oct 3, 2022 15:26:24 GMT -5
So basically you don’t care if they win or lose and the coaching staff is beyond reproach, totally reasonable expectations you should hold for every fan and not just yourself
Those players deserved a shot at the win yesterday and they took that away from them in overtime.
Coaching staff being the ONLY reason they were in that game- That’s funny, I didn’t see Matt Patricia out there blocking for 5 a carry. I didn’t see Belichick leaving it on the field. The ONLY reason
HA. What a joke.
Zappe could have kicked off his career with a win on the road against Aaron Rodgers. Now THAT would be a confidence booster and good for a young player’s development. Instead the coach thinks they’d be better off punting on the game instead of letting him hand off twice and possibly getting a different, more favorable result. Genius! It’s 4D chess!
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2022 15:45:23 GMT -5
This season? Not really bc I know there is a cap on this team's potential. Maybe I'm too Ricky Bobby in that sense but does the narrative of the season change based on yesterday's outcome? Not in the slightest. Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe yesterday was the difference between winning the SB and not. My guess? Nah.
Should they be held accountable? Sure. Did they make a mistake? Most likely. Does it matter enough to be as enraged as you all are. No. (Maybe you bet on the game and that's why you're angry. Okay. But a coaching staff doesn't deserve to be fired bc you lost money).
I think you know what "only" means in this context (and I'm pretty sure you've used some version of that in your comments in this or other threads). Of course, the players have to execute. My statement was admittedly hyperbolic but "Coach didn't block" is absurd.
But in a game where NOBODY expected them to be in it (and even less so part way through), they were. That is WAY more important than a win or loss yesterday.
Now if patterns carry over through the next sequence of games, you're probably talking about something that is systemic and, therefore, problematic.
But hey. Get the cauldrons. Line up the villagers.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2022 15:51:24 GMT -5
My initial reaction to the comments above (prior to UMass' post) were "you're watching this team incorrectly". Also, any leader (in any aspect of life) that changes their disposition based on success or failure is probably not a very good leader. Oh I’m absolutely watching this team correctly, they played coward ball and lost because of it. Game got punted away, literally. People are totally in the right to criticize that. The backup rookie QB thing isn’t an excuse either, if it was you certainly don’t have him drop back on 3rd and 5 in go-for-it territory against a defense that can’t stop the run. Do I think BB should be fired? No. Do I think yesterday he was an idiot and his explanation made no sense at all? Absolutely I do People can be happy with their moral victories if they want to be- I’m not going to be because that game was theirs to win. They should be 2-2 today. And I blame 0% of it on the players. As far as Myles Bryant goes I liked him when he broke in….he’s hot garbage now. Play anybody but him. I’m always a fan of adding Jamie Collins, that’s my guy. Even if he kinda stinks now. Should help against the run I think though and that’s where they need help at LB. I like him more than Tavai. Wait, that's your issue trusting a rookie QB on third and 5? The play before they were stopped for zero yards. If he ran it four straight times, you know you would be complaining why didn't Bill trust his QB and go for the win. I'd be calling Bill out if he ran it again, he went for the win and it didn't work. They were in that game because they let Zappe throw it and make plays. Your upset at a loss I get it, yet given the D stopped them the drive before why does that bother you? |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2022 15:54:04 GMT -5
My goals coming into season was make playoffs. Top line goal win a playoff game, not that they were SB contenders.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 3, 2022 16:02:14 GMT -5
If Mac Jones was healthy and playing I'd agree, it's 4 downs you go for the win. Not with a rookie QB, who didn't even get starter reps for the week. You have to adjust your game plans on who's playing. If you don't agree this is how you develop young QBs, then you must be upset with Brady lol.
I'm actually proud they didn't run it 3 straight times and got aggressive. Gave Zappe a chance to win the game.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 3, 2022 16:05:04 GMT -5
I'm going to say it in a way that's clearer (maybe) and less snarky (almost certainly). Of the things we saw yesterday (admittedly, not an exhaustive list):
The Bad
- The outcome (and you can include the decision to go for it or not in here or as a separate "bad" thing).
- The linebackers.
- Another injury to a starter (though some may feel losing Jonnu is a plus, Henry has been useless and they have no other NFL tight ends).
The Good
- The O-line, outside of Wynn who was a mess (even that could be offset by the positive performance of Cannon who had 1 week with the team).
- The running game.
- The pass rush
- The defensive backfield
- The overall contributions of the rookie class
- Despite SIGNIFICANT offseason concerns, this offense is demonstrating that it CAN move the ball.
- I actually think Zappe did more to show he shouldn't be playing right now than he showed signs he could be a legitimate starter on a good team. But he probably performed better than most 4th rd QBs under similar circumstances (probably hasn't gotten meaningful reps since early in camp when they quickly focus on the guys the expect to play). And if his development is improved by him playing (when, again, development is the point here), then go for it.
When it comes to what will impact their chances of winning a Super Bowl again ("in our lifetime"), which list is more important? Despite focus on the first set of items, BB and the coaching staff had a LOT (yes, not "ONLY") to do with that list too.
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