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Patriots 2022 Season Thread
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Post by bigmarty58 on Oct 3, 2022 17:07:00 GMT -5
Isaiah Wynn is going to get all the pats QB's knocked out. His performance sucks and his attitude is worse, barring an injury, Wynn should not be on the field. BB was right to pull the dude. Time to cut your losses.
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Post by cdj on Oct 3, 2022 18:35:08 GMT -5
Yeah it definitely doesn’t reflect well on Wynn that we signed a very old Marcus Cannon off the street and he was immediately much better than Wynn. He’s been penalized so much this season and got Hoyer killed. He was getting dog-walked yesterday
Cole Strange on the other hand looks like a first round pick so that’s nice
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Post by texs31 on Oct 4, 2022 6:44:45 GMT -5
Reiss saying Collins was signed to PS with Langi getting released.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 5, 2022 9:17:56 GMT -5
Jonnu Smith has a low ankle sprain per RapSheet. Could be out a bit.
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Post by texs31 on Oct 5, 2022 11:44:31 GMT -5
Thornton was at practice so his DTR clock has started. 21 days to activate.
EDIT - Also a new face on the PS, per Reiss (thinks it's an OL). With a full PS and 1 active spot, wonder if we could see Cannon promoted fulltime to the 53.
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Post by cdj on Oct 5, 2022 12:51:31 GMT -5
Thornton was at practice so his DTR clock has started. 21 days to activate. EDIT - Also a new face on the PS, per Reiss (thinks it's an OL). With a full PS and 1 active spot, wonder if we could see Cannon promoted fulltime to the 53. Heck I wouldn’t be surprised if Cannon is starting over Wynn |
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Post by texs31 on Oct 5, 2022 15:40:55 GMT -5
Cannon indeed signed to 53, per Yates.
CDJ, whether starting or in 6OL sets, gotta think we're gonna see a lot of him.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 5, 2022 15:45:49 GMT -5
I had the Patriots winning on Sunday on their way to 6 wins this year, but seeing the Patriots put up at least 24 with Zappe is getting hard to imagine. Especially if Bill/Patricia won't trust him to throw the ball. The Lions have the best offense and absolute worst defense in football. Patriots are going in with a 3rd string QB and a likely vanilla offense and a good defense that will likely wear down as the game progresses if the Patriots can't control the ball.
Run up the gut, run up the gut, pass just isn't going to work. Terrible defense or not.
Bill is going to need to really coach this team up this week, which is scary because we're talking about the Lions.
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Post by cdj on Oct 5, 2022 16:14:32 GMT -5
Lions got a lot of talent on O when healthy, they can beat anybody on any given Sunday imo
Swift and St. Brown not playing would be clutch
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Post by marrcus on Oct 5, 2022 22:03:40 GMT -5
Zappe will be working against a pretty bad defense. I just don't want to see him get hurt. We don't need to see Gilbert.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2022 3:26:00 GMT -5
Kraft supposedly loves Zappe and wanted him to start last week. If he does start, it's the best match up he could have.
Early season can be tricky, is Detriots offense that good or who they played that bad? We'll find out.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2022 6:42:32 GMT -5
Oh I’m absolutely watching this team correctly, they played coward ball and lost because of it. Game got punted away, literally. People are totally in the right to criticize that. The backup rookie QB thing isn’t an excuse either, if it was you certainly don’t have him drop back on 3rd and 5 in go-for-it territory against a defense that can’t stop the run. Do I think BB should be fired? No. Do I think yesterday he was an idiot and his explanation made no sense at all? Absolutely I do People can be happy with their moral victories if they want to be- I’m not going to be because that game was theirs to win. They should be 2-2 today. And I blame 0% of it on the players. As far as Myles Bryant goes I liked him when he broke in….he’s hot garbage now. Play anybody but him. I’m always a fan of adding Jamie Collins, that’s my guy. Even if he kinda stinks now. Should help against the run I think though and that’s where they need help at LB. I like him more than Tavai. Wait, that's your issue trusting a rookie QB on third and 5? The play before they were stopped for zero yards. If he ran it four straight times, you know you would be complaining why didn't Bill trust his QB and go for the win. I'd be calling Bill out if he ran it again, he went for the win and it didn't work. They were in that game because they let Zappe throw it and make plays. Your upset at a loss I get it, yet given the D stopped them the drive before why does that bother you? The issue wasn’t 3rd and 5; it was not going play action on second down there. You barely use play action this year and when they have it’s worked really well. It was the perfect situation for a simple play action slant past the sucked on linebackers. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 6, 2022 9:51:34 GMT -5
I think they simply shouldn’t have been cowards and punted a game away, regardless of play call on 3rd and 5
Do people really think that packers D would’ve held them under 5 yards on 2 more runs? They made one (1) play to allow a 1 yard gain the play before 3rd and 5. Sick, make them do it again. They showed they couldn’t time and time again that game and the O-line was having their way with them on the ground.
Instead they drop Zappe back in that situation and he shits his pants (in fairness to him that should have been expected). And then they cowardly hand the game away.
This notion of “oh the defense shut Aaron Rodgers down the drive before” is dumb because Aaron Rodgers is a HOF QB and now he just needs to get a field goal to win. Would you give Tom Brady the ball back in that situation if you stopped him on the drive before? Peyton Manning? No, it’s Silliness. If anything stopping him the drive before makes me think he’s due to do score his next possession. Rodgers picked them apart down the stretch of that game and they willingly gave him the ball back. Dumb. Cowardly. Most of the football world sees it as such too. I will not be convinced otherwise.
This isn’t a hindsight thing either. It’s a common sense thing. I (and most ppl I know watching the game) were pissed, and rightfully so
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 6, 2022 16:00:55 GMT -5
Most penalties committed by Patriots players this season (including those that were declined):
1. Isaiah Wynn, 6
2. 14 players tied with 1
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2022 18:21:36 GMT -5
Wait, that's your issue trusting a rookie QB on third and 5? The play before they were stopped for zero yards. If he ran it four straight times, you know you would be complaining why didn't Bill trust his QB and go for the win. I'd be calling Bill out if he ran it again, he went for the win and it didn't work. They were in that game because they let Zappe throw it and make plays. Your upset at a loss I get it, yet given the D stopped them the drive before why does that bother you? The issue wasn’t 3rd and 5; it was not going play action on second down there. You barely use play action this year and when they have it’s worked really well. It was the perfect situation for a simple play action slant past the sucked on linebackers. Mac Jones at QB I would agree, rookie third string QB that didn't get starter reps given the way they were running nope. If anything I change the 2nd running play. If you wanted him doing that type of crap you should have named him starter and given him those reps for a week. Example if he starts this week, I expect a lot more given he's spent the week as the #1. That's huge for a rookie QB. I'd also go back and check who he had the best chemistry with in the preseason |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 6, 2022 18:29:15 GMT -5
I think they simply shouldn’t have been cowards and punted a game away, regardless of play call on 3rd and 5 Do people really think that packers D would’ve held them under 5 yards on 2 more runs? They made one (1) play to allow a 1 yard gain the play before 3rd and 5. Sick, make them do it again. They showed they couldn’t time and time again that game and the O-line was having their way with them on the ground. Instead they drop Zappe back in that situation and he shits his pants (in fairness to him that should have been expected). And then they cowardly hand the game away. This notion of “oh the defense shut Aaron Rodgers down the drive before” is dumb because Aaron Rodgers is a HOF QB and now he just needs to get a field goal to win. Would you give Tom Brady the ball back in that situation if you stopped him on the drive before? Peyton Manning? No, it’s Silliness. If anything stopping him the drive before makes me think he’s due to do score his next possession. Rodgers picked them apart down the stretch of that game and they willingly gave him the ball back. Dumb. Cowardly. Most of the football world sees it as such too. I will not be convinced otherwise. This isn’t a hindsight thing either. It’s a common sense thing. I (and most ppl I know watching the game) were pissed, and rightfully so If you don't get it, like Bill said they basically need a first down to be in FG range to end the game. You must really hate Bill as he's done that so many times over the last 20 plus years and it's worked out more than it hasn't. He trusts his D to go make a play and always has. Guess we should fire Bill because you aren't just questioning a series, yet the bedrock of his coaching style. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 6, 2022 19:50:55 GMT -5
I think they simply shouldn’t have been cowards and punted a game away, regardless of play call on 3rd and 5 Do people really think that packers D would’ve held them under 5 yards on 2 more runs? They made one (1) play to allow a 1 yard gain the play before 3rd and 5. Sick, make them do it again. They showed they couldn’t time and time again that game and the O-line was having their way with them on the ground. Instead they drop Zappe back in that situation and he shits his pants (in fairness to him that should have been expected). And then they cowardly hand the game away. This notion of “oh the defense shut Aaron Rodgers down the drive before” is dumb because Aaron Rodgers is a HOF QB and now he just needs to get a field goal to win. Would you give Tom Brady the ball back in that situation if you stopped him on the drive before? Peyton Manning? No, it’s Silliness. If anything stopping him the drive before makes me think he’s due to do score his next possession. Rodgers picked them apart down the stretch of that game and they willingly gave him the ball back. Dumb. Cowardly. Most of the football world sees it as such too. I will not be convinced otherwise. This isn’t a hindsight thing either. It’s a common sense thing. I (and most ppl I know watching the game) were pissed, and rightfully so If you don't get it, like Bill said they basically need a first down to be in FG range to end the game. You must really hate Bill as he's done that so many times over the last 20 plus years and it's worked out more than it hasn't. He trusts his D to go make a play and always has. Guess we should fire Bill because you aren't just questioning a series, yet the bedrock of his coaching style. Didn’t work out all year last year when he played coward ball, didn’t work out last week either. Fact, not opinion. That was a very simple decision to make. Aaron going 15 yards or 30 yards makes no difference. There’s a reason why he’ll be in Canton Belichick doesn’t have the talent on his roster to coach like he once did. Adapt. You can be ok with banging your head against the wall and expecting different results. That’s fine. I’m not. He is not beyond reproach. And I’m not even asking for him to be fired, I just want him to not coach like a bitch when he is 5 yards from what would be an awesome win! He used to be aggressive when it made sense- now he doesn’t even consider it. This was a no-brainer decision. It should’ve been at least The first 5 games are basically preseason but they matter to this team if they want to compete for a playoff spot- and I think they can do that. The league mostly sucks it would appear Maybe if Jalen Mills is playing you can justify that stance. Myles Bryant was on the field getting smoked. You cannot expect that defense to hold up against a HOF and quite frankly it didn’t in the 2nd half. That’s what makes it even dumber. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 6, 2022 23:18:05 GMT -5
Well it could be worse, we could be Denver stuck paying a bum QB $50 mill a year
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Post by mobaz on Oct 7, 2022 4:49:33 GMT -5
Well it could be worse, we could be Denver stuck paying a bum QB $50 mill a year Saw a tweet that said his dead money drops to $31M in... 2026! This is potentially the worst contract in NFL history. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Oct 7, 2022 9:42:57 GMT -5
I think Rus will get it figured out but there certainly is no more excuse of he's getting used to a new offense and building rapport with a new WR group. He's looked awful and if he doesn't start looking like his old self in the next couple weeks I will start thinking Rus is cooked.
Even if Rus does figure it out and gets back closer to his old self I'd say that contract is still going to look bad anyway because I don't think he is nor ever was a top 5 type of QB that deserves to be paid what they gave him. On the flipside average NFL QBs these days get stupid money so Broncos were in a tough spot either way.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 7, 2022 10:03:11 GMT -5
The issue wasn’t 3rd and 5; it was not going play action on second down there. You barely use play action this year and when they have it’s worked really well. It was the perfect situation for a simple play action slant past the sucked on linebackers. Mac Jones at QB I would agree, rookie third string QB that didn't get starter reps given the way they were running nope. If anything I change the 2nd running play. If you wanted him doing that type of crap you should have named him starter and given him those reps for a week. Example if he starts this week, I expect a lot more given he's spent the week as the #1. That's huge for a rookie QB. I'd also go back and check who he had the best chemistry with in the preseason They ran play-action on Zappes TD so he can do it. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 7, 2022 12:07:42 GMT -5
If you don't get it, like Bill said they basically need a first down to be in FG range to end the game. You must really hate Bill as he's done that so many times over the last 20 plus years and it's worked out more than it hasn't. He trusts his D to go make a play and always has. Guess we should fire Bill because you aren't just questioning a series, yet the bedrock of his coaching style. Didn’t work out all year last year when he played coward ball, didn’t work out last week either. Fact, not opinion. That was a very simple decision to make. Aaron going 15 yards or 30 yards makes no difference. There’s a reason why he’ll be in Canton Belichick doesn’t have the talent on his roster to coach like he once did. Adapt. You can be ok with banging your head against the wall and expecting different results. That’s fine. I’m not. He is not beyond reproach. And I’m not even asking for him to be fired, I just want him to not coach like a bitch when he is 5 yards from what would be an awesome win! He used to be aggressive when it made sense- now he doesn’t even consider it. This was a no-brainer decision. It should’ve been at least The first 5 games are basically preseason but they matter to this team if they want to compete for a playoff spot- and I think they can do that. The league mostly sucks it would appear Maybe if Jalen Mills is playing you can justify that stance. Myles Bryant was on the field getting smoked. You cannot expect that defense to hold up against a HOF and quite frankly it didn’t in the 2nd half. That’s what makes it even dumber. What? Fact it didn't work last year? When you made playoffs with a rookie QB? They open up the offense which results in learning curves and mistakes. Everyone is all over them, it's comical. Now you're complaining about how he's handling a 3rd string rookie QB. While saying he should do things different because of Rodgers. The only thing that didn't work last year was the team didn't keep improving. You had a rookie QB and key injuries on D which made it impossible. Look who played DB in the playoff game and Judon was banged up. I can count on my fingers the times Bill has been that aggressive like you wanted. If you had Mac Jones healthy they win that game easily. Yep Myles Bryant needs to go, never have liked him. The difference this year is Marcus Jones and Shaun Wade. Jones has taken Bryant's return job, now time to take his starting job. He's the complete opposite of Bryant, actually having the speed and athletic ability needed. You want to complain, then complain about Bill the GM. We all had the Patriots taking a LB for a reason. Only McGrone has modern day traits and he's not ready. Mack Wilson looks like a bad DB tackling. You need a sideline to sideline 3 down LB. Part of the problem overdrafting other players. We're left hoping McGrone gets up to speed or you have a problem you can't fix. Maybe he makes a trade. |
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Post by cdj on Oct 7, 2022 12:12:54 GMT -5
Didn’t work out all year last year when he played coward ball, didn’t work out last week either. Fact, not opinion. That was a very simple decision to make. Aaron going 15 yards or 30 yards makes no difference. There’s a reason why he’ll be in Canton Belichick doesn’t have the talent on his roster to coach like he once did. Adapt. You can be ok with banging your head against the wall and expecting different results. That’s fine. I’m not. He is not beyond reproach. And I’m not even asking for him to be fired, I just want him to not coach like a bitch when he is 5 yards from what would be an awesome win! He used to be aggressive when it made sense- now he doesn’t even consider it. This was a no-brainer decision. It should’ve been at least The first 5 games are basically preseason but they matter to this team if they want to compete for a playoff spot- and I think they can do that. The league mostly sucks it would appear Maybe if Jalen Mills is playing you can justify that stance. Myles Bryant was on the field getting smoked. You cannot expect that defense to hold up against a HOF and quite frankly it didn’t in the 2nd half. That’s what makes it even dumber. What? Fact it didn't work last year? When you made playoffs with a rookie QB? They open up the offense which results in learning curves and mistakes. Everyone is all over them, it's comical. Now you're complaining about how he's handling a 3rd string rookie QB. While saying he should do things different because of Rodgers. The only thing that didn't work last year was the team didn't keep improving. You had a rookie QB and key injuries on D which made it impossible. Look who played DB in the playoff game and Judon was banged up. I can count on my fingers the times Bill has been that aggressive like you wanted. If you had Mac Jones healthy they win that game easily. Yep Myles Bryant needs to go, never have liked him. The difference this year is Marcus Jones and Shaun Wade. Jones has taken Bryant's return job, now time to take his starting job. He's the complete opposite of Bryant, actually having the speed and athletic ability needed. You want to complain, then complain about Bill the GM. We all had the Patriots taking a LB for a reason. Only McGrone has modern day traits and he's not ready. Mack Wilson looks like a bad DB tackling. You need a sideline to sideline 3 down LB. Part of the problem overdrafting other players. We're left hoping McGrone gets up to speed or you have a problem you can't fix. Maybe he makes a trade. Yeah the games they played coward ball it didn’t work, they lost. Cowboys. Bucs. Multiple examples last year. Everybody questioned those decisions the moment they happened and they proved to be correct in questioning them because they lost those games. They did it again in a very winnable game this week. Instead of playing not to lose, play to win. Not that much of an ask! I’m criticizing him for not running the ball twice against a defense that couldn’t stop the run, I didn’t want them to do anything with the 3rd string QB because he looked like he was gonna shit his pants (and basically did on that final drop back) |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 7, 2022 12:15:42 GMT -5
Mac Jones at QB I would agree, rookie third string QB that didn't get starter reps given the way they were running nope. If anything I change the 2nd running play. If you wanted him doing that type of crap you should have named him starter and given him those reps for a week. Example if he starts this week, I expect a lot more given he's spent the week as the #1. That's huge for a rookie QB. I'd also go back and check who he had the best chemistry with in the preseason They ran play-action on Zappes TD so he can do it. And? They got 5 yards on first down, why not run it again? Sorry I just don't agree given the way they ran the ball against them and you had a rookie 3rd string QB. You had more success running than passing. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 7, 2022 12:20:43 GMT -5
What? Fact it didn't work last year? When you made playoffs with a rookie QB? They open up the offense which results in learning curves and mistakes. Everyone is all over them, it's comical. Now you're complaining about how he's handling a 3rd string rookie QB. While saying he should do things different because of Rodgers. The only thing that didn't work last year was the team didn't keep improving. You had a rookie QB and key injuries on D which made it impossible. Look who played DB in the playoff game and Judon was banged up. I can count on my fingers the times Bill has been that aggressive like you wanted. If you had Mac Jones healthy they win that game easily. Yep Myles Bryant needs to go, never have liked him. The difference this year is Marcus Jones and Shaun Wade. Jones has taken Bryant's return job, now time to take his starting job. He's the complete opposite of Bryant, actually having the speed and athletic ability needed. You want to complain, then complain about Bill the GM. We all had the Patriots taking a LB for a reason. Only McGrone has modern day traits and he's not ready. Mack Wilson looks like a bad DB tackling. You need a sideline to sideline 3 down LB. Part of the problem overdrafting other players. We're left hoping McGrone gets up to speed or you have a problem you can't fix. Maybe he makes a trade. Yeah the games they played coward ball it didn’t work, they lost. Cowboys. Bucs. Multiple examples last year. Everybody questioned those decisions the moment they happened and they proved to be correct in questioning them because they lost those games. They did it again in a very winnable game this week. Instead of playing not to lose, play to win. Not that much of an ask! It's called bringing along a rookie QB. Did they not start to open things up? Did Mac Jones not have a great rookie season? It's what Texas was talking about, some things are more important than wins and losses. Like developing young QBs the right way, not destroying them to win an extra game. |
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