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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 7, 2022 8:21:59 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2022 8:23:13 GMT -5
He saw that study on the Goldilocks balls come out and decided he needed some people on his side again badly 9/360
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Post by xdmo on Dec 7, 2022 8:24:21 GMT -5
10 years and 1 billion dollars hopefully.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 7, 2022 8:24:35 GMT -5
He saw that study on the Goldilocks balls come out and decided he needed some people on his side again badly 9/360 So they used Heyman to get the Yankees to match the Giants offer. Nice
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 7, 2022 8:25:10 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 7, 2022 8:34:29 GMT -5
Conflicted on that, on one hand would have been awesome to see yankees fans melt down if he left but 40AAV for 9 years good luck with the back half of that deal.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2022 8:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by radiohix on Dec 7, 2022 8:49:23 GMT -5
40 millions a year for 9 years added to the 36 millions they pay Cole and the 32 to Stanton? Plus all what they’re paying to Rizzo and LeMahieu and Hicks? That’s a lot of cheese for too many years payed to players on the wrong side of their 30s. I love it!
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 8:53:43 GMT -5
Conflicted on that, on one hand would have been awesome to see yankees fans melt down if he left but 40AAV for 9 years good luck with the back half of that deal. I feel awesome about this. Judge is 6'7" 282 and he's already had his fair share of injuries in his career. I do not see someone with that body holding up long term. They're already paying Stanton until 2027, so DH will be very much occupied. I think this comes back to bite the Yankees in a big way, and plus, it's fun to compete against him in the meantime. Edit: Stanton is 6'6" 245 and he's missed a ton of time in his Yankees career. 4.4 fWAR over the past four seasons. One more of those will really hurt the Yankees.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 9:20:41 GMT -5
Judge was offered 7/213 before the season and everybody thought he was crazy for turning it down.
ZiPS has him worth 34 WAR the rest of the way
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 7, 2022 9:26:55 GMT -5
Would say coincidence but it doesn’t surprise me anymore.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 9:29:39 GMT -5
People can gloat about what this will mean in 2028, but the Yankees just signed the MVP. Wouldn’t we be gloating if they *didn’t*? So they will return Judge and Rizzo. As of now the Sox have Chris Martin and Joely Rodriguez. Whatever Judge’s price, Cashman has gotten done what he needed to. Bloom’s turn.
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Post by nomar on Dec 7, 2022 9:31:43 GMT -5
Would say coincidence but it doesn’t surprise me anymore. I should have clarified that the sample they used was less than 1% of the balls this year so I’ll need to see another source here
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Post by notstarboard on Dec 7, 2022 9:35:42 GMT -5
People can gloat about what this will mean in 2028, but the Yankees just signed the MVP. Wouldn’t we be gloating if they *didn’t*? So they will return Judge and Rizzo. As of now the Sox have Chris Martin and Joely Rodriguez. Whatever Judge’s price, Cashman has gotten done what he needed to. Bloom’s turn. Can't speak for everyone else, but I've been hoping for the Yankees to sign him all year. Whoever signs Judge after this season seems destined for a bad outcome. He's going to be asking for a king's ransom and even if the bat doesn't fall off I don't see his body holding up over the deal. I've actually been thrilled he's done so well this year because I fully expect him to sign in NY. Now he'll get to sign a much richer deal, and therefore sink their team even more at the back part of that contract. Here's the thread: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/6493/why-judge
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 7, 2022 9:35:48 GMT -5
People can gloat about what this will mean in 2028, but the Yankees just signed the MVP. Wouldn’t we be gloating if they *didn’t*? So they will return Judge and Rizzo. As of now the Sox have Chris Martin and Joely Rodriguez. Whatever Judge’s price, Cashman has gotten done what he needed to. Bloom’s turn. Not particularly worried about Rizzo re-signing, fine player but not really a needle mover to me. I agree on Judge though, at the end of the day I wanted him to leave since I'm more worried about the 2023 Yankees than the 2028 Yankees. While I realize that the back part of that contract probably going to be pretty ugly for them they are still the Yankees and by the end of it don't have anyone else signed long term so I'm not going to act like there's noway the 2028-2031 Yankees can compete now when he inevitably regresses. Still at the end of the day the Yankees are still at their status quo from last year which is a high bar no doubt but I wouldn't expect Judge to drop 11 WAR again next year, if he regresses to his mean he's more a 7 WAR guy. Obviously still one of the best players in the league but that lineup really isn't all that fearsome if he's not bashing 62 and having an all time season. I'll have to see what else the Yankees do this offseason before I consider it a win for them. Not sure what type of flexibility they'll have left since they're now over the luxury tax, perhaps Steinbrenner says screw it let's blast past the luxury tax or perhaps he says ok reign it in.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 7, 2022 9:37:52 GMT -5
People can gloat about what this will mean in 2028, but the Yankees just signed the MVP. Wouldn’t we be gloating if they *didn’t*? So they will return Judge and Rizzo. As of now the Sox have Chris Martin and Joely Rodriguez. Whatever Judge’s price, Cashman has gotten done what he needed to. Bloom’s turn. I disagree that signing your guy at any cost is inherently good GM work. If the hard decision is to let him go because he won’t be worth it and it’ll hurt the team that is more impressive to me. Now maybe they think Judge will hold up and be worth it and then great they did exactly what they should have done. But paying top of market to retain your own player isn’t on its own super impressive.
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Post by jdb on Dec 7, 2022 9:46:16 GMT -5
I think this will put them over $250M and they still have holes.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 7, 2022 9:55:52 GMT -5
Starting to sense a theme with all of Boras’ clients this offseason, seems like they are all “leaving $ on the table” and I’m calling BS on all those reports. He’s been using the media much more to his advantage this year, Heyman jumping the gun yesterday was a coincidence? I think not.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 9:56:33 GMT -5
People can gloat about what this will mean in 2028, but the Yankees just signed the MVP. Wouldn’t we be gloating if they *didn’t*? So they will return Judge and Rizzo. As of now the Sox have Chris Martin and Joely Rodriguez. Whatever Judge’s price, Cashman has gotten done what he needed to. Bloom’s turn. I disagree that signing your guy at any cost is inherently good GM work. If the hard decision is to let him go because he won’t be worth it and it’ll hurt the team that is more impressive to me. Now maybe they think Judge will hold up and be worth it and then great they did exactly what they should have done. But paying top of market to retain your own player isn’t on its own super impressive. I think one think Cashman recognizes is that the bosses are the people in the seats and watching tv. They want Judge, and that will pay that salary. I don’t think Yankee fans turned on Jeter in his final years, and I can’t see them turning on Judge. He may not help them win when he is 37, but I bet he still helps them make money.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 7, 2022 9:58:46 GMT -5
I disagree that signing your guy at any cost is inherently good GM work. If the hard decision is to let him go because he won’t be worth it and it’ll hurt the team that is more impressive to me. Now maybe they think Judge will hold up and be worth it and then great they did exactly what they should have done. But paying top of market to retain your own player isn’t on its own super impressive. I think one think Cashman recognizes is that the bosses are the people in the seats and watching tv. They want Judge, and that will pay that salary. I don’t think Yankee fans turned on Jeter in his final years, and I can’t see them turning on Judge. He may not help them win when he is 37, but I bet he still helps them make money. Maybe, or his contract is the reason they stink for 5 years because he can’t play, and they never win a championship with him. I’m not so sure the fans will love him then. Had he already won 5 like Jeter, sure.
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Post by xdmo on Dec 7, 2022 9:58:56 GMT -5
I think this will put them over $250M and they still have holes. I wonder if the Yankees are still in on Rondon after throwing a crap ton at Judge. That would probably have to be it, if they do.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 7, 2022 10:20:32 GMT -5
Some new economics math
Replacement level team: 47.5 wins Market price for WAR: $10.5 million Replacement level team + Luxury tax limit payroll at market prices: 67 wins (at 8.5/win it's 72)
That's an awful lot of wins you need to find from your cheap pre free agency players to make the playoffs.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 7, 2022 10:29:53 GMT -5
As a Red Sox fan, *laughs at NY while in last place and have done nothing to improve*.
At least the Red Sox are positioned nicely to be better in 2028.
Stanton's deal basically runs out when people think Judge will start to be bad.
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Post by manfred on Dec 7, 2022 10:30:14 GMT -5
I think this will put them over $250M and they still have holes. I wonder if the Yankees are still in on Rondon after throwing a crap ton at Judge. That would probably have to be it, if they do. They also lost Taillon, which is a pretty big loss.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Dec 7, 2022 10:32:50 GMT -5
The bloated Judge contract is the best news of our off-season so far. (That's a low bar, I know.) The MFYs are paying him for a performance level that he'll never reach again. In fact, I'd bet he'll have multiple seasons in which he plays well under the 157 games he played this year.
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