cdj
Veteran
Posts: 15,659
Member is Online
|
Post by cdj on Dec 23, 2022 17:55:38 GMT -5
Snakes have Moreno until 2029 lol
|
|
|
Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 23, 2022 17:57:50 GMT -5
most of you guys know a lot about other major league regulars, so i learn a lot reading people's diagnosis of trades. I don't keep up much with that.
But here, isn't it just as important to focus on the fact that a division team may have gotten better and how that affects our club's chances ?
i think that is what is most frustrating for me this offseason, we used to be in the mix on a lot of this stuff. It added excitement to the site, the club, and I would bet, our chances to win. We seem like non-factors.
|
|
|
Post by incandenza on Dec 23, 2022 17:59:07 GMT -5
most of you guys know a lot about other major league regulars, so i learn a lot reading people's diagnosis of trades. I don't keep up much with that. But here, isn't it just as important to focus on the fact that a division team may have gotten better and how that affects our club's chances ? i think that is what is most frustrating for me this offseason, we used to be in the mix on a lot of this stuff. It added excitement to the site, the club, and I would bet, our chances to win. We seem like non-factors. Rays and Orioles ain't done nothin.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2022 18:05:35 GMT -5
I saw a few folks on baseball Twitter speculating what the Varsho trade means for Brian Reynolds’ trade market. Varsho had an extra year of control and was a better player than Reynolds in 2022 by like a full win.
Brian Reynolds was… marginally better than Hunter Renfroe last year?
Reynolds: 614 PA, 27 HR’s, 125 wRC+, 2.9 fWAR, 2.9 bWAR Renfroe: 522 PA, 29 HR’s, 124 wRC+, 2.5 fWAR, 2.7 bWAR
A stud in 2021 obviously - but that isn’t exactly screaming “let me give you my best prospect”?
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Dec 23, 2022 18:08:57 GMT -5
most of you guys know a lot about other major league regulars, so i learn a lot reading people's diagnosis of trades. I don't keep up much with that. But here, isn't it just as important to focus on the fact that a division team may have gotten better and how that affects our club's chances ? i think that is what is most frustrating for me this offseason, we used to be in the mix on a lot of this stuff. It added excitement to the site, the club, and I would bet, our chances to win. We seem like non-factors. Rays and Orioles ain't done nothin. True, a saving grace. But the O’s could be better just by beibg a year older.
|
|
|
Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 23, 2022 18:18:44 GMT -5
I saw a few folks on baseball Twitter speculating what the Varsho trade means for Brian Reynolds’ trade market. Varsho had an extra year of control and was a better player than Reynolds in 2022 by like a full win. Brian Reynolds was… marginally better than Hunter Renfroe last year? Reynolds: 614 PA, 27 HR’s, 125 wRC+, 2.9 fWAR, 2.9 bWAR Renfroe: 522 PA, 29 HR’s, 124 wRC+, 2.5 fWAR, 2.7 bWAR A stud in 2021 obviously - but that isn’t exactly screaming “let me give you my best prospect”? Well, 2022 was the worst year of Reynolds career and the best of Renfroe's, so I don't think it is the best baseline to use. Reynolds is also 3 years younger.
|
|
|
Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 23, 2022 18:52:42 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 23, 2022 18:53:35 GMT -5
most of you guys know a lot about other major league regulars, so i learn a lot reading people's diagnosis of trades. I don't keep up much with that. But here, isn't it just as important to focus on the fact that a division team may have gotten better and how that affects our club's chances ? i think that is what is most frustrating for me this offseason, we used to be in the mix on a lot of this stuff. It added excitement to the site, the club, and I would bet, our chances to win. We seem like non-factors. Rays and Orioles ain't done nothin. yeah i agree. But this has to be considered a trade that strengthens their club. And they should make it. Good lineup. Stud starter. Great Closer. that isn't good for us. Does our new OF'er have a chance to be as good as an established major leaguer ? These kind of moves, Duke, Theo, DD made and it helped.
|
|
|
Post by manfred on Dec 23, 2022 18:57:20 GMT -5
And DD continues his history of bullpen building.
|
|
|
Post by julyanmorley on Dec 23, 2022 19:05:17 GMT -5
I thought Kimbrel was supposed to be toast but his stats last year weren't bad, altho in clear decline
|
|
|
Post by runner on Dec 23, 2022 19:08:02 GMT -5
Dave Dombrowski loves himself some Craig Kimbrel.
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 23, 2022 19:16:48 GMT -5
For this team, I'd rather have Kimbrel for 1/10 than Jansen 2/32. He would be easier to flip for a prospect at the deadline IMO since he isn't owed anything in 2024.
|
|
|
Post by incandenza on Dec 23, 2022 19:48:35 GMT -5
I thought Kimbrel was supposed to be toast but his stats last year weren't bad, altho in clear decline Hmmm, 4.04 xFIP, 6.60 K-BB%, -1.58 WPA. For a closer those numbers look kind of bad to me.
That WPA in particular... He was tenth worst out of 152 relievers in the majors - one spot worse than Ryan Brasier, to give you an idea.
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 23, 2022 19:54:34 GMT -5
For this team, I'd rather have Kimbrel for 1/10 than Jansen 2/32. He would be easier to flip for a prospect at the deadline IMO since he isn't owed anything in 2024. Lol no. I watched him with the dodgers this year. I want nothing to do with him anymore
|
|
|
Post by incandenza on Dec 23, 2022 20:02:16 GMT -5
For this team, I'd rather have Kimbrel for 1/10 than Jansen 2/32. He would be easier to flip for a prospect at the deadline IMO since he isn't owed anything in 2024. Lol no. I watched him with the dodgers this year. I want nothing to do with him anymore This giant fragile gnome of a man has been a mess since the second half of 2018 and teams just keeping giving him 8-figure contracts. The Dodgers traded Pollock for the right to do so!
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 23, 2022 20:15:53 GMT -5
For this team, I'd rather have Kimbrel for 1/10 than Jansen 2/32. He would be easier to flip for a prospect at the deadline IMO since he isn't owed anything in 2024. Lol no. I watched him with the dodgers this year. I want nothing to do with him anymore Not about the guy being really good or not. Jansen is a better pitcher, but Kimbrel can also put together a good 1st half and would be easier to flip for a prospect. They're probably going to have to eat some money for next year on Jansen when they trade him in order to get someone decent.
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 23, 2022 20:16:33 GMT -5
Lol no. I watched him with the dodgers this year. I want nothing to do with him anymore Not about the guy being really good or not. Jansen is a better pitcher, but Kimbrel can also put together a good 1st half and would be easier to flip for a prospect. Did you watch him last season? He is cooked
|
|
|
Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 23, 2022 20:18:58 GMT -5
Not about the guy being really good or not. Jansen is a better pitcher, but Kimbrel can also put together a good 1st half and would be easier to flip for a prospect. Did you watch him last season? He is cooked Theres quite a few Braves fans that thought Jansen looked cooked too and the new rules with the clock probably does not help him much. Again, the Red Sox aren't winning anything this year. Its in the best interest sadly to do this game with 1 year deals until players graduate from the farm.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 23, 2022 20:21:15 GMT -5
Not about the guy being really good or not. Jansen is a better pitcher, but Kimbrel can also put together a good 1st half and would be easier to flip for a prospect. Did you watch him last season? He is cooked He probably is, but with him you never quite know. He was terrible with the Cubs and then suddenly he was lights out in 2021 until they traded him to the White Sox and it was back to struggling. He pitched better in the second half with the Dodgers but not enough to regain their trust. So we'll see if he snaps back with Philly or becomes a target of their boo birds. I think at this point Jansen is more stable than Kimbrel, but I wouldn't bet my life on that. I would have simply handed the ball to Schreiber in the 9th personally but I can understand why they wanted somebody with a long track record of success in the role.
|
|
|
Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 24, 2022 1:12:09 GMT -5
I just think of "WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN" with a trade of Jarren Duran, when he was still on Top 100 lists 🤷🏾♂️ Teams don’t make trades based on a ranking on a list
|
|
|
Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 24, 2022 1:40:29 GMT -5
A little late on this but I think thats a great move by the Jays. Their window is now, they know they need to strike while the iron is hot. Varsho probably is more good than great, but with his glove his floor is really high and he gives them another ~3 WAR guy on their team. If a hitter in the bottom third of your lineup is a 3 WAR player you have a really good team.
The Jays, Rays and Yankees are head and shoulders above the Sox right now.
|
|
|
Post by kingstephanos on Dec 24, 2022 2:12:42 GMT -5
I just think of "WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN" with a trade of Jarren Duran, when he was still on Top 100 lists 🤷🏾♂️ Teams don’t make trades based on a ranking on a list What?? What is the point of your retort, honestly. 🤣🤣 Duran was a legit prospect at one point in time that had definite trade value... regardless of your opinion on what Front Offices hypothetically think (or don't think). tl;dr I respectfully disagree
|
|
|
Post by kingofthetrill on Dec 24, 2022 7:29:25 GMT -5
In this business we can make a top 25 of top 100 prospects that should have been traded. Duran wasn't anything especially egregious imo. This happens frequently with all teams.
|
|
|
Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 24, 2022 11:53:28 GMT -5
Teams don’t make trades based on a ranking on a list What?? What is the point of your retort, honestly. 🤣🤣 Duran was a legit prospect at one point in time that had definite trade value... regardless of your opinion on what Front Offices hypothetically think (or don't think). tl;dr I respectfully disagree My point is that if Duran had value it was because teams scouted him and thought he had value, not because MLB.com put him on a prospect list. You can say “I wish he got traded when he had value” but maybe he was always overrated as a prospect and teams didn’t value him? Just pointing out that you can try to make that statement in hindsight but his prospect ranking doesn’t actually provide an accurate reflection of his value.
|
|
atzar
Veteran
Posts: 1,880
|
Post by atzar on Dec 24, 2022 15:34:46 GMT -5
Every team would love to trade off every bust at their highest value while keeping all of the real blue chip guys. Unfortunately we’re still working on that crystal ball.
|
|