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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 24, 2022 21:56:45 GMT -5
Every team would love to trade off every bust at their highest value while keeping all of the real blue chip guys. Unfortunately we’re still working on that crystal ball. The hindsight crystal ball has come a long way since it predicted David Arias' demise around 2003. I'm still not ready to put a fork in Duran though, he's been working on changing his approach. ADD: I have admittedly lowered my ceiling from starting center fielder to super 4th outfielder. Particularly true given the changes in shift and pickoff attempt rules.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 26, 2022 22:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 27, 2022 13:13:30 GMT -5
Pirates sign Rich Hill, 1/8.
Would have loved to have Hill back. Hopefully this means they're planning to sign a more expensive starter and a SS and couldn't fit the $8M in the budget with that.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 27, 2022 13:22:51 GMT -5
Pirates sign Rich Hill, 1/8. Would have loved to have Hill back. Hopefully this means they're planning to sign a more expensive starter and a SS and couldn't fit the $8M in the budget with that. Good on rich hill to grab 8 mil but what the heck is the point for Pittsburgh to sign him? Sure he can be a possible mentor of sorts. Even if he's pitching decently I don't see any team giving up anything of value for him at the deadline. I find it strange but like I said good to see rich hill getting another 8 mil to play.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 27, 2022 13:32:46 GMT -5
Well, he makes the Pirates a better baseball team. That would seem to be enough of a reason to sign him.
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Post by manfred on Dec 27, 2022 13:53:04 GMT -5
Well, he makes the Pirates a better baseball team. That would seem to be enough of a reason to sign him. And they likely know that at the deadline a team like, oh, I don’t know, the Red Sox might want him back?
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Post by incandenza on Dec 27, 2022 13:56:20 GMT -5
Smh, yet another free agent passing up the Red Sox because they want to play for a legit contender...
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 27, 2022 14:14:52 GMT -5
Rich Hill saying the Red Sox didn't make an offer. Kind of a shame to not have any interest in the old guy pitcher that desperately wants to play for you IMO
I guess we're down to Kluber, Eovaldi and Wacha now.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 27, 2022 14:31:45 GMT -5
Rich Hill saying the Red Sox didn't make an offer. Kind of a shame to not have any interest in the old guy pitcher that desperately wants to play for you IMO I guess we're down to Kluber, Eovaldi and Wacha now. I would give up 1-2 wins per year for this team to be about 20% more sentimental. Bring back Vazquez. Bring back Hill. And for the love of god make Bogaerts a real extension offer last spring. They can afford it. I know "~~It's A Business~~", but it's an entertainment business, and the point is to bring pleasure to the team's fans, and I think that comes about 80% from winning and 20% from relationships to the players.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 27, 2022 14:35:15 GMT -5
Not giving Hill an offer is pretty unfathomable to me. Only thing I could think of is if they thought the price they would want him at would have been insulting, but they just had him for $5M, he clearly liked being here, would $3M or $4M have been an insulting offer?
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Post by foreverred9 on Dec 27, 2022 19:03:14 GMT -5
Rich Hill saying the Red Sox didn't make an offer. Kind of a shame to not have any interest in the old guy pitcher that desperately wants to play for you IMO I guess we're down to Kluber, Eovaldi and Wacha now. I would give up 1-2 wins per year for this team to be about 20% more sentimental. Bring back Vazquez. Bring back Hill. And for the love of god make Bogaerts a real extension offer last spring. They can afford it. I know "~~It's A Business~~", but it's an entertainment business, and the point is to bring pleasure to the team's fans, and I think that comes about 80% from winning and 20% from relationships to the players. I feel like you're starting to come around on them needing to manage the PR aspect of the team! The conversation in my house over the holidays was around whether winning with interchangeable parts was the same as winning with players who we admire. I think short-term focus would say it doesn't matter, winning is everything, but the long-term focus is all about the latter. People want a connection. There feels to be a lot of brand erosion over the past 3 years too. We used to be the perennial 2nd most popular team worldwide, in part because of the players, but now we're falling behind. Ignoring the financial CBA and thinking about it emotionally, to not have Betts, Xander, and Devers leading this team into the 2020s is sad . And the Betts deal keeps looking better with each successive contract being signed.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 27, 2022 19:56:25 GMT -5
I would give up 1-2 wins per year for this team to be about 20% more sentimental. Bring back Vazquez. Bring back Hill. And for the love of god make Bogaerts a real extension offer last spring. They can afford it. I know "~~It's A Business~~", but it's an entertainment business, and the point is to bring pleasure to the team's fans, and I think that comes about 80% from winning and 20% from relationships to the players. I feel like you're starting to come around on them needing to manage the PR aspect of the team!The conversation in my house over the holidays was around whether winning with interchangeable parts was the same as winning with players who we admire. I think short-term focus would say it doesn't matter, winning is everything, but the long-term focus is all about the latter. People want a connection. There feels to be a lot of brand erosion over the past 3 years too. We used to be the perennial 2nd most popular team worldwide, in part because of the players, but now we're falling behind. Ignoring the financial CBA and thinking about it emotionally, to not have Betts, Xander, and Devers leading this team into the 2020s is sad . And the Betts deal keeps looking better with each successive contract being signed. I am not even remotely coming around on that! I want them to keep the players I like and who have a history with the team because I like them and they have a history with the team. Not because it helps the team's image to do that. It's a crucial distinction.
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Post by gerry on Dec 27, 2022 22:14:00 GMT -5
They are certainly distinct, but one absolutely follows the other. My Red Sox fond memories run from player to player, from Williams and Doerr to Piersall and Jensen through Malzone and Pumpsie and the gold dust twins all the way to Youk Papi XB and Casas.
A hundred Red Sox players I really liked. It is a pattern begun in childhood and repeated with new heroes every decade or so. That’s what baseball cards and jerseys and baseball camp is about. Those are my Red Sox teams, Red Sox memories; the foundation of my 75 years of Red Sox fandom. It’s a winning formula which, when altered as they are with losing the Killer B’s, produces legitimate anger and remorse.
Every fan of every team has their special memories, and they are all very personal, and all relational with the players. I sincerely hope this FO plans to build around Devers and sign the new kids long term to recreate and perpetuate those wonder years
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 27, 2022 22:14:37 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 27, 2022 22:17:29 GMT -5
Wow, somehow the Braves convince players that committing long term to them at a reasonable rate is a great idea. Wish the Sox knew how to do that.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 27, 2022 22:18:24 GMT -5
Seriously what kind of magic water do the Braves have...
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 27, 2022 22:18:47 GMT -5
Okay, that one is nuts.
Give him 3/20 for his arb years and they're getting 3/53 with a 15 club option on free agent years for a guy that put up 5 WAR last year.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 27, 2022 22:21:26 GMT -5
Wow, somehow the Braves convince players that committing long term to them at a reasonable rate is a great idea. Wish the Sox knew how to do that. Braves are literally the only team getting players to sign severely under market contracts.
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Post by runner on Dec 27, 2022 22:24:14 GMT -5
Could the Sox beat the Sean Murphy package this off-season?
My guess is yes and they would have had a player willing to talk a deal.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 27, 2022 22:27:22 GMT -5
Reminder that they convinced a guy with 5.2 WAR through his age 21 season to sign this:
Ozzie Albies 2b 7 years/$35M (2019-25), plus 2026-27 options
7 years/$35M (2019-25), plus 2026-27 club options signed extension with Atlanta 4/11/19 19:$1M, 20:$1M, 21:$3M, 22:$5M, 23:$7M, 24:$7M, 25:$7M, 26:$7M club option ($4M buyout), 27:$7M club option (no buyout)
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 27, 2022 22:38:07 GMT -5
Forget the dodgers being the model franchise in the sport, I want the Red Sox to turn into the Braves!
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Post by soxfaninnj on Dec 27, 2022 22:41:41 GMT -5
The Oakland A’s couldn’t give him that?
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 28, 2022 0:49:00 GMT -5
The Oakland A’s couldn’t give him that? If I were Murphy, I wouldn’t have taken any deal from the A’s. Who really wants to be playing in front of a hundred fans every home game? Also, this deal makes me all the more frustrated the team didn’t trade for him (especially seeing how little in prospect capital was needed to pry him from the A’s).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 28, 2022 20:01:51 GMT -5
Yankees were able to get Braves #23 prospect (per MLB Pipeline) for a guy they DFA'ed.
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Post by cdj on Dec 28, 2022 21:13:52 GMT -5
Luetge is pretty good
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