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2022-2023 Non-Red Sox Offseason Thread
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jan 12, 2023 3:10:13 GMT -5
Red sox scraping the bottom of the barrel to find some kind of relevancy. Good luck sitting in the dungeon again. Bloom checking all the boxes of inferiority.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 12, 2023 4:02:03 GMT -5
Somebody needs a life.
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Post by nomar on Jan 12, 2023 9:04:45 GMT -5
If that’s what Rojas is worth I’m scared of what Kim would cost.
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Post by levi on Jan 12, 2023 9:16:06 GMT -5
If that’s what Rojas is worth I’m scared of what Kim would cost. 1 year of Rojas too
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 12, 2023 9:20:25 GMT -5
If that’s what Rojas is worth I’m scared of what Kim would cost. Yep, Kim is a better player with an extra year of control, would imagine that it'd probably cost Rafaela+ to get Kim. My point of view this offseason even when I figured they'd have Story for one of the MI positions opening day was that it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to make a big blockbuster deal. The team wasn't one player away in my mind and now with Story missing half the year if not the full year they certainly aren't one player/deal away. At this point I'd be perfectly fine with signing Andrus or Iglesias and trading for a guy like Wendle or some other LHH 2nd base equivalent to platoon with Arroyo. Roll the dice with what they have and see where they are if/when Story comes back maybe around the deadline. Keep building the farm up, I just don't see the point in moving any potential impact prospects to try and bolster this team right now.
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Post by nomar on Jan 12, 2023 9:26:49 GMT -5
If that’s what Rojas is worth I’m scared of what Kim would cost. Yep, Kim is a better player with an extra year of control, would imagine that it'd probably cost Rafaela+ to get Kim. My point of view this offseason even when I figured they'd have Story for one of the MI positions opening day was that it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to make a big blockbuster deal. The team wasn't one player away in my mind and now with Story missing half the year if not the full year they certainly aren't one player/deal away. At this point I'd be perfectly fine with signing Andrus or Iglesias and trading for a guy like Wendle or some other LHH 2nd base equivalent to platoon with Arroyo. Roll the dice with what they have and see where they are if/when Story comes back maybe around the deadline. Keep building the farm up, I just don't see the point in moving any potential impact prospects to try and bolster this team right now. I honestly don’t even want to give up Houck for Kim. If they were to give up Rafaela in a trade for him, that would be horrendous. To me, the upgrade from Andrus to Kim isn’t worth spending long term assets on. Kim isn’t changing the outlook of this year’s team all that much regardless.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 12, 2023 9:51:35 GMT -5
Yep, Kim is a better player with an extra year of control, would imagine that it'd probably cost Rafaela+ to get Kim. My point of view this offseason even when I figured they'd have Story for one of the MI positions opening day was that it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to make a big blockbuster deal. The team wasn't one player away in my mind and now with Story missing half the year if not the full year they certainly aren't one player/deal away. At this point I'd be perfectly fine with signing Andrus or Iglesias and trading for a guy like Wendle or some other LHH 2nd base equivalent to platoon with Arroyo. Roll the dice with what they have and see where they are if/when Story comes back maybe around the deadline. Keep building the farm up, I just don't see the point in moving any potential impact prospects to try and bolster this team right now. I honestly don’t even want to give up Houck for Kim. If they were to give up Rafaela in a trade for him, that would be horrendous. To me, the upgrade from Andrus to Kim isn’t worth spending long term assets on. Kim isn’t changing the outlook of this year’s team all that much regardless. And the dollar cost isn't dramatically different. I'm still pretty on board with Andrus, but find it interesting there's been no noise.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 12, 2023 16:59:25 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer's officially a free agent. So far, per MLBTR, the Yankees, Mets, Guardians, Padres and Twins have been reported as having no interest. From 2018-his suspension in 2021 he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Any team can sign him for the minimum. Has there ever been a player this good, in any sport, who every team in the league refused to sign because of an off field incident he hasn't been arrested for?
To be clear I don't want the Red Sox to sign him. But I have to imagine some team is going to, right?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 12, 2023 17:03:30 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer's officially a free agent. So far, per MLBTR, the Yankees, Mets, Guardians, Padres and Twins have been reported as having no interest. From 2018-his suspension in 2021 he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Any team can sign him for the minimum. Has there ever been a player this good, in any sport, who every team in the league refused to sign because of an off field incident he hasn't been arrested for? To be clear I don't want the Red Sox to sign him. But I have to imagine some team is going to, right? Barry Bonds last season he hit .276/.480/.565 and he wanted to keep playing
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Post by incandenza on Jan 12, 2023 17:07:13 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer's officially a free agent. So far, per MLBTR, the Yankees, Mets, Guardians, Padres and Twins have been reported as having no interest. From 2018-his suspension in 2021 he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Any team can sign him for the minimum. Has there ever been a player this good, in any sport, who every team in the league refused to sign because of an off field incident he hasn't been arrested for? To be clear I don't want the Red Sox to sign him. But I have to imagine some team is going to, right? It's interesting that a whole bunch of domestic abusers have had no trouble getting signed but Bauer is apparently persona non grata. I can't think of any reason why what he did was worse than those others, and can only conclude that beating or threatening one's wife or girlfriend is a forgivable sin, but sexual "weirdness" is not.
(To be clear, this is not a defese of Bauer.)
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 12, 2023 17:10:55 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer's officially a free agent. So far, per MLBTR, the Yankees, Mets, Guardians, Padres and Twins have been reported as having no interest. From 2018-his suspension in 2021 he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Any team can sign him for the minimum. Has there ever been a player this good, in any sport, who every team in the league refused to sign because of an off field incident he hasn't been arrested for? To be clear I don't want the Red Sox to sign him. But I have to imagine some team is going to, right? It's interesting that a whole bunch of domestic abusers have had no trouble getting signed but Bauer is apparently persona non grata. I can't think of any reason why what he did was worse than those others, and can only conclude that beating or threatening one's wife or girlfriend is a forgivable sin, but sexual "weirdness" is not.
(To be clear, this is not a defese of Bauer.)
Didn't he break a bunch of bones in her face?
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Post by manfred on Jan 12, 2023 17:11:21 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer's officially a free agent. So far, per MLBTR, the Yankees, Mets, Guardians, Padres and Twins have been reported as having no interest. From 2018-his suspension in 2021 he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Any team can sign him for the minimum. Has there ever been a player this good, in any sport, who every team in the league refused to sign because of an off field incident he hasn't been arrested for? To be clear I don't want the Red Sox to sign him. But I have to imagine some team is going to, right? It's interesting that a whole bunch of domestic abusers have had no trouble getting signed but Bauer is apparently persona non grata. I can't think of any reason why what he did was worse than those others, and can only conclude that beating or threatening one's wife or girlfriend is a forgivable sin, but sexual "weirdness" is not.
(To be clear, this is not a defese of Bauer.)
Maybe they are raising their standards? Domestic abusers have been signed, but maybe this shows that in the future tolerance will be lower? That is my optimistic view.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 12, 2023 17:13:56 GMT -5
Trevor Bauer's officially a free agent. So far, per MLBTR, the Yankees, Mets, Guardians, Padres and Twins have been reported as having no interest. From 2018-his suspension in 2021 he was a top 20 pitcher in baseball. Any team can sign him for the minimum. Has there ever been a player this good, in any sport, who every team in the league refused to sign because of an off field incident he hasn't been arrested for? To be clear I don't want the Red Sox to sign him. But I have to imagine some team is going to, right? Barry Bonds last season he hit .276/.480/.565 and he wanted to keep playing Bonds was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice, and I'm not sure he was as good as Bauer at that point because his defense was so bad. Bauer was a 5 bWAR/162 guy from 2018 through his suspension. But Barry did have a 157 wRC+ his last season so yeah a pretty good candidate for this, he probably could have ended up near 900 homers if he kept playing long enough.
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Post by orion09 on Jan 12, 2023 18:15:19 GMT -5
It's interesting that a whole bunch of domestic abusers have had no trouble getting signed but Bauer is apparently persona non grata. I can't think of any reason why what he did was worse than those others, and can only conclude that beating or threatening one's wife or girlfriend is a forgivable sin, but sexual "weirdness" is not.
(To be clear, this is not a defese of Bauer.)
Didn't he break a bunch of bones in her face? Not that’s been reported on. There are also some text messages from her that look pretty bad, including one where she said to a friend (pre incident) that she was looking to “secure the bag” from Bauer, eg get a payout, and others where she enthusiastically asked him to “give me all the pain” in the context of a discussion about their adult activities. They apparently had at least one pretty rough encounter and she enthusiastically came back for more. She was apparently also sleeping with roughly half the Dodgers and Padres teams. I’m not saying Bauer didn’t cross a line, intentionally or otherwise, but I have a little more sympathy for a situation where he might have misread her intentions. I have a lot less sympathy for someone like Chapman who got violent in the context of an argument
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 13, 2023 6:31:31 GMT -5
My three cents.
In general, Bauer is a Schilling level sleeze, different sleeziness, still sleeze and 2, it's pretty much known that what he did was consensual between two adults. He's been cleared twice in courts and it's pretty obvious the whole thing was an extortion attempt. Still a sleeze though who will be disruptive to the clubhouse and certainly won't be a fan favorite.
To me, the act itself is far less egregious than Osuna (my #1 baddie) or Chapman. Maybe even less than Steven Wright because of the consensual aspect.
The Sox have continuously said they are considering an impact arm. I can only see two ways to do that. Sign a sleeze or trade a Casas.
So two questions.
1. Is the trade off worth it ? 2. Would you rather see Bauer on the Red Sox or Yankees because let's be honest, Yankees won't care, Chapman's toast anyways.
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Post by rminns10 on Jan 13, 2023 6:56:09 GMT -5
When you add the accusations to Bauers general demeanor and inability to co-exist with other humans is why he is radioactive for many orgs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 13, 2023 8:40:11 GMT -5
I know you can't separate the two but from a baseball only perspective, he's pretty much perfect. He more than makes up for the loss of Story, minimum wage, rested arm, new pitch (changeup), and financially gives the Red Sox an extra arm to trade and bounds of cash to work with.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 13, 2023 8:46:44 GMT -5
When you add the accusations to Bauers general demeanor and inability to co-exist with other humans is why he is radioactive for many orgs. He's been disruptive to good teams and a black hole of selfishness far before these abuse incidents. For a team that needs good vibes (outside and inside the clubhouse) this could be more season-wrecking than injuries or our lack of a middle infield. Stay away.
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 13, 2023 9:01:01 GMT -5
Part of me says he's served his punishment for whatever he might have done (which was not exactly clear-cut to begin with), and I'm jaded from watching competitors benefit from the services of the Chapmans, Osunas, and Germans of the world. History suggests signing Bauer might look and feel gross for a month or two, but if he pitches well, the world will move on.
His long reputation as a selfish jerk (as mobaz mentioned) probably keeps me in the 'No' camp, and I keep coming back to the fact that the Dodgers couldn't be rid of him quickly enough and no one in the clubhouse seemed interested in defending him....but for a team that looks like it needs the stars to align to be competitive at this point, I don't think I'd be upset if it happened.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 13, 2023 9:46:16 GMT -5
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jan 13, 2023 10:03:17 GMT -5
These are some good points. That being said, signing Bauer is definitely not a move I'd make without the approval of the majority of the locker room.
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Post by manfred on Jan 13, 2023 10:26:25 GMT -5
There is no ambiguity: multiple women say Bauer assaulted them. Yes, one consented to being with him *at first.* women have the right to change a yes to a no. Unconsciousness is an automatic no (teach yer children). And all the post-act texts etc. are not out of line in cases of trauma.
And by the way: what kind of exploitative piece of trash gets off on punching women under any circumstance?
Any team that signs him deserves to he boycotted.
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Post by runner on Jan 13, 2023 10:27:41 GMT -5
Probably his last season, making sure he retires a Pirate.
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Post by levi on Jan 13, 2023 10:43:13 GMT -5
A Seabold for Leiter swap might actually be a good move. Steamer projects Leiter at 3.56 xFIP (0.4 WAR) and Davenport’s model projects him at 3.68 ERA (0.6 WAR).
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Post by geostorm on Jan 13, 2023 10:47:53 GMT -5
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