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Post by manfred on Dec 5, 2022 14:50:36 GMT -5
Promising news if you want Bogaerts back. Not sure if anyone has discussed whether or not Turner’s skills are more apt to decline with age than other players in the same orbit, but this contract has the potential to be Carl Crawford 2.0. Do you think Xander accepts 2/3 of Trea Turner’s payday?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 14:51:12 GMT -5
Ugh. I wanted Trea Turner. Now it's Xander or bust. If they lose Xander I hope they just tear it down and go full rebuild. They still need someone else to bring in as well.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Dec 5, 2022 14:57:51 GMT -5
Promising news if you want Bogaerts back. Not sure if anyone has discussed whether or not Turner’s skills are more apt to decline with age than other players in the same orbit, but this contract has the potential to be Carl Crawford 2.0. Do you think Xander accepts 2/3 of Trea Turner’s payday? Not sure, but it's one less suitor - and an obvious suitor at that. A team with money to spend and a GM with a hole burning in his pocket who has met with Bogaerts, despite being very much familiar with him already. Turner is a five-tool player and athlete, and Bogaerts is not. I'm not sure how this contract affects what Bogaerts is looking for nor do I know how this affects what teams will offer for him. I will say that this probably ends any hope of Bogaerts agreeing to a deal with fewer than 7 years attached, and if it creeps to 8 then forget about it. I don't want any part of that.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 5, 2022 15:10:39 GMT -5
Ugh. I wanted Trea Turner. Now it's Xander or bust. If they lose Xander I hope they just tear it down and go full rebuild. They still need someone else to bring in as well. At 11 years, I’m happy the Sox didn’t sign him.
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Post by awalkinthepark on Dec 5, 2022 15:12:50 GMT -5
With the amount of money that these free agents are going for, I continue to get the creeping feeling that Devers will be traded.
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Post by scottysmalls on Dec 5, 2022 15:17:44 GMT -5
I think I'd offer Correa the same 11/300 if he wants it. I don't think the Red Sox would. Phillies getting Turner is big for the Bogaerts back to Boston odds though.
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Post by xdmo on Dec 5, 2022 15:32:26 GMT -5
I think I'd offer Correa the same 11/300 if he wants it. I don't think the Red Sox would. Phillies getting Turner is big for the Bogaerts back to Boston odds though. Said this maybe one too many times, but Correa and Scott are probably looking to beat the Seager deal last year for 10/325.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 15:34:32 GMT -5
Ugh. I wanted Trea Turner. Now it's Xander or bust. If they lose Xander I hope they just tear it down and go full rebuild. They still need someone else to bring in as well. At 11 years, I’m happy the Sox didn’t sign him. 11 years is a long time, but he's an athletic guy. Would you prefer Xander at 8 with a higher AAV?
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Post by xdmo on Dec 5, 2022 15:58:17 GMT -5
Lol Kate Upton said the Yankees offered more for Verlander, but they'd rather go to a fan base that doesn't boo their own players.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 5, 2022 16:10:36 GMT -5
xdmo, I appreciate the enthusiasm but you drive me a little nuts with your indiscriminate tweet posting. That's a parody account.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 16:16:59 GMT -5
xdmo, I appreciate the enthusiasm but you drive me a little nuts with your indiscriminate tweet posting. That's a parody account. ....I was fooled.
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Post by manfred on Dec 5, 2022 16:18:04 GMT -5
With the amount of money that these free agents are going for, I continue to get the creeping feeling that Devers will be traded. Or allowed to walk for a 4th rounder?
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Post by keninten on Dec 5, 2022 16:41:30 GMT -5
Good news Cashman has resigned for 4 years. Now they need to sign Judge for 10 years @ $40 per and I`ll be happy.
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Post by bosox904 on Dec 5, 2022 17:05:01 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Dec 5, 2022 17:16:34 GMT -5
Good news Cashman has resigned for 4 years. Now they need to sign Judge for 10 years @ $40 per and I`ll be happy. One thing I've noticed about Brian Cashman is that he is slowly but surely turning into Stanley Tucci.
He's also an irritatingly good GM, though that seems to be an oddly unpopular opinion around here.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Dec 5, 2022 17:47:32 GMT -5
Good news Cashman has resigned for 4 years. Now they need to sign Judge for 10 years @ $40 per and I`ll be happy. One thing I've noticed about Brian Cashman is that he is slowly but surely turning into Stanley Tucci. He's also an irritatingly good GM, though that seems to be an oddly unpopular opinion around here.
I remember saying this and getting ripped. The Yankees are never a losing club and always finds diamonds when you think they're down. It's frustrating. He hasn't been building the ultimate winners though so hopefully that trend continues.
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Post by bigmarty58 on Dec 5, 2022 17:51:57 GMT -5
Remember when the Red Sox competed for elite talent during the winter meetings, what has changed. Is it ownership or is it management?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2022 17:55:30 GMT -5
Good news Cashman has resigned for 4 years. Now they need to sign Judge for 10 years @ $40 per and I`ll be happy. One thing I've noticed about Brian Cashman is that he is slowly but surely turning into Stanley Tucci. He's also an irritatingly good GM, though that seems to be an oddly unpopular opinion around here.
All in all Cashman is pretty damn good. They've never had a losing season on his watch. Their version of rebuilding is winning 85 games. The Yankees are regarded as a disappointment in 2022, understandably, yet they won 99 games. The Red Sox have matched or exceeded that toal one time on 75 seasons. The Yankees win 90 games regularly and hit the 100 win mark every now and then Their win/loss record in the 21st century is as good as it was in the 20th century when they won all those titles. The difference is all th these layers of playoffs which make a dynasty difficult to do and the law of averages are finally running against the Yankees the past 13 seasons. That said Cashman lately has focused too much on power and not enough on guys who can actually hit. And yes, he gifted the Sox Garrett Whitlock. Thank you very much. But he usually wins his trades and rarely do the kids they give up in these deals come back to bite them. That's a pretty good GM.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Dec 5, 2022 18:06:11 GMT -5
One thing I've noticed about Brian Cashman is that he is slowly but surely turning into Stanley Tucci. He's also an irritatingly good GM, though that seems to be an oddly unpopular opinion around here.
All in all Cashman is pretty damn good. They've never had a losing season on his watch. Their version of rebuilding is winning 85 games. The Yankees are regarded as a disappointment in 2022, understandably, yet they won 99 games. The Red Sox have matched or exceeded that toal one time on 75 seasons. The Yankees win 90 games regularly and hit the 100 win mark every now and then Their win/loss record in the 21st century is as good as it was in the 20th century when they won all those titles. The difference is all th these layers of playoffs which make a dynasty difficult to do and the law of averages are finally running against the Yankees the past 13 seasons. That said Cashman lately has focused too much on power and not enough on guys who can actually hit. And yes, he gifted the Sox Garrett Whitlock. Thank you very much. But he usually wins his trades and rarely do the kids they give up in these deals come back to bite them. That's a pretty good GM. Yet the Yankees still haven’t won a playoff series against the Sox since 2003 and have only won 1 WS since 2000. You can stack up as many 90 win seasons as you want, but if you ain’t bringing back a trophies, you’re just that — a “pretty good” GM
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Post by greatscottcooper on Dec 5, 2022 18:22:19 GMT -5
The Angels have sign Carlos Estevez to a 2 year $14 million dollar deal.
Please get traded to Cleveland.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 5, 2022 18:37:33 GMT -5
Remember when the Red Sox competed for elite talent during the winter meetings, what has changed. Is it ownership or is it management? I think it's a front office that no longer leaks info to the media.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2022 18:38:58 GMT -5
All in all Cashman is pretty damn good. They've never had a losing season on his watch. Their version of rebuilding is winning 85 games. The Yankees are regarded as a disappointment in 2022, understandably, yet they won 99 games. The Red Sox have matched or exceeded that toal one time on 75 seasons. The Yankees win 90 games regularly and hit the 100 win mark every now and then Their win/loss record in the 21st century is as good as it was in the 20th century when they won all those titles. The difference is all th these layers of playoffs which make a dynasty difficult to do and the law of averages are finally running against the Yankees the past 13 seasons. That said Cashman lately has focused too much on power and not enough on guys who can actually hit. And yes, he gifted the Sox Garrett Whitlock. Thank you very much. But he usually wins his trades and rarely do the kids they give up in these deals come back to bite them. That's a pretty good GM. Yet the Yankees still haven’t won a playoff series against the Sox since 2003 and have only won 1 WS since 2000. You can stack up as many 90 win seasons as you want, but if you ain’t bringing back a trophies, you’re just that — a “pretty good” GM He was also GM when they won in 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2009 as well. 4 championships for a GM isnt too bad.
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Post by curtisw on Dec 5, 2022 20:34:40 GMT -5
Remember when the Red Sox competed for elite talent during the winter meetings, what has changed. Is it ownership or is it management? I think it's a front office that no longer leaks info to the media. This is how I am feeling more and more. I think we should get used to surprises, and feeling in the dark. Not as much drama and bravado about signing guys as in previous iterations of the FO. It’s one of the main takeaways of the first years of Bloom’s run here, and I am definitely reflecting on it right now thinking about what is in store this week and the rest of the offseason.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 5, 2022 22:01:51 GMT -5
Would I be crazy for rather having Turner on a 9/300 deal than 11/300? It's $6 million more a year for those 9 years - the cost of a good-not-great reliever or something - but the end of this contract is almost certain to be giving you no value whatsoever and you could get out from under it two years sooner.
Of course if I was a 66 year old GM I don't guess I'd care too much about 2032 and 2033.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 5, 2022 22:10:43 GMT -5
Yeah you're crazy. It's worth a lot to be able to pay some of the money in 2032 after 10 years of baseball salary/luxury tax limit and regular inflation
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