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Post by notstarboard on Jan 10, 2023 15:08:48 GMT -5
Has there been a more predictable injury in recent years? Price’s elbow, I guess. Honestly did anyone expect Story’s elbow to hold up when he signed? It's certainly not shocking, but I feel like the debate with Story has more been 2B vs SS, not 2B vs SS vs a worsening of the injury requiring major surgery. 2021 was the year he really struggled with his elbow and he had no apparent setbacks with it last year. What a shame though :/
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2023 15:10:38 GMT -5
Does anyone here have any medical knowledge that might help us guess the fallout from this? Should we expect this to be a TJ-style surgery where once it's done his elbow will be in good shape and he will likely be able to return to SS? Or is this more a sign that his elbow will be a risk for the forseeable future and SS is likely out of the question?
Not a lot of history with MLB players it seems
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2023 15:11:33 GMT -5
Has there been a more predictable injury in recent years? Price’s elbow, I guess. Honestly did anyone expect Story’s elbow to hold up when he signed? Not really over the course of the full contract but I at least had some hope going to 2nd would help push it to later in the deal. Considering my expectations were already low for the Sox and that was with Story in the lineup, this news now.. Yikes this lineup looks very toothless other than maybe 2-3 guys. I suppose if I want to look on the brightside my expectations were low and hopefully this surgery will keep his elbow semi in-tact for the final 4.5ish years whenever he gets back and he can go play SS until Mayer is ready. So glass half-full oh well on the timing, wish it had happened last year or at the very least at the beginning of the offseason but probably doesn't change a whole lot in the grand scheme of where the Sox were headed this year anyway.
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Post by levi on Jan 10, 2023 15:15:28 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 10, 2023 15:15:40 GMT -5
To take a step back and see what this really costs the team: Story's projection is 2.8 WAR in 151 games, if he misses 40 games due to this (roughly April and May), it costs him .74 wins, so he ends up about 2.1. If they can fill the slot with an above replacement level player the team shouldn't be expected to suffer too much from this. Of course I think many of us were hoping Story could be better than that, in which case this stings worse, but still.Well there's the rub. I was pretty bullish on him - he was a ~2.5 WAR player in 94 games last season. I had him pencilled in for better health and some positive offensive regression and was hoping for a 4+ WAR season from him. I also thought a nice clean start to the season would do him some good! So much for that...
Also our best righthanded bat (for at least the first third of the season) is now... Kiké Hernandez? Christian Arroyo? Bobby, um, Dalbec?
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Post by runner on Jan 10, 2023 15:17:06 GMT -5
What a poor decision by Story.
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Post by nomar on Jan 10, 2023 15:17:20 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS. A one sentence statement and contradiction. Bobs gonna Bob.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 10, 2023 15:17:52 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS. its Bob... Another day in the Lab, another bat personalized from knob to barrel. Big things coming for @tstory2 👀 disproves that
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Post by briam on Jan 10, 2023 15:18:02 GMT -5
It seems like everytime the Red Sox hand out a large contract to a FA outside of the organization it blows up in their face (except for JD).
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2023 15:19:24 GMT -5
I hope there's no Twins fans paying attention to this story about Trevor Story's injury which everybody knew about the day he signed his FA contract.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jan 10, 2023 15:19:55 GMT -5
June is an optimistic guess and I can't see him playing SS for at least a year removed from this surgery. Maybe the Sox should have jumped on Correa. Andrus doesn't excite me at all, and nothing will replace Story's Bat which might be even harder to replace than finding a fielder. The line-up went from pull and pray to let's hope Chaim is the master of the "late in the offseason Blockbuster."
They should absolutely see if Duran can be serviceable in the infield again. Even just as insurance for 2nd base.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 10, 2023 15:20:19 GMT -5
This is a disaster. So now you have Devers in the lineup surrounded by 8 question marks. This assures Arroyo a spot in the starting lineup for sure.
I guess you get the surgery during a throw-away season. But still it really hurts this team.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 10, 2023 15:21:20 GMT -5
June is an optimistic guess and I can't see him playing SS for at least a year removed from this surgery. Maybe the Sox should have jumped on Correa. Andrus doesn't excite me at all, and nothing will replace Story's Bat which might be even harder to replace than finding a fielder. The line-up went from pull and pray to let's hope Chaim is the master of the "late in the offseason Blockbuster." They should absolutely see if Duran can be serviceable in the infield again. Even just as insurance for 2nd base. Yes because the best solution to a guy with a known injury risk getting injured is signing another guy with an (apparently larger) known injury risk.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2023 15:23:50 GMT -5
I'm just going to assume that Enmanuel Valdez is going to be hitting about .250/.320/.475 five months from now and there's nothing any of you can do to convince me to leave this fantasy land.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:00 GMT -5
I wonder if there's a chance he comes back earlier as a DH. Put Turner at second and Arroyo at short. Obviously not ideal, but just thinking through scenarios. Ohtani was DH'ing in May after an October Tommy John, not sure if this is different. Here's an article that has the "return to activity/play phase" beginning at week 14, which would be mid-April. Most of the quoted timelines sound to me like they're for pitchers, so things could be slightly different here. www.josefeichingermd.com/pdf/rehab-ucl-repair-surgery-ucl-with-internal-brace.pdf
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Post by manfred on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:02 GMT -5
I'm just going to assume that Enmanuel Valdez is going to be hitting about .250/.320/.475 five months from now and there's nothing any of you can do to convince me to leave this fantasy land. For the WooSox? Totally reasonable expectations.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:04 GMT -5
This certainly makes a LHH MI to platoon with Arroyo more important, add on top of that the need to add a guy like Andrus or Iglesias.
Hindsight is 20/20 but designating Downs for assignment with the complete lack of MI depth looks even worse now. Not saying I expect anything from Downs but he'd still be a better option than anyone they currently have to take some of the PT in the middle infield, same goes for Hoy Park.
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Post by notstarboard on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:08 GMT -5
This is exactly what this team did not need. If the season started tomorrow it would be what, Arroyo at SS and Hamilton or Valdez at 2B? We already needed a middle IF addition but now it's urgent. Kiké at SS and Duran in center maybe? Either way yeah I think they should sign Andrus ASAP, and then maybe still try to trade for Wendle or something. That first option is plausible but it would make me cry. One injury severely downgrading defense at three up-the-middle positions... we'd have the worst outfield defense in the majors until Story got back and it would not be close
I think Kiké should play CF almost the entire year unless we absolutely can't avoid it. Both of our corner OFs are weak, and Kiké is amazing at CF and mediocre at 2B/SS.
Agree about the last bit. Andrus or a trade target a la Wendle felt important before, but it's an absolute must now. I'd feel much better with Hernandez still in CF, Arroyo at 2B, and a competent SS acquisition. People think of Wendle as more of a 2B/3B but after looking at his SS numbers I think he would be just fine there too.
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Post by nomar on Jan 10, 2023 15:26:39 GMT -5
I'm just going to assume that Enmanuel Valdez is going to be hitting about .250/.320/.475 five months from now and there's nothing any of you can do to convince me to leave this fantasy land. The good news is that the league average slash line is a lower bar now, but Valdez being an above average hitter would be huge for the org. They need impact bats. I don’t truly expect both scouts and the Astros to be wrong about him, but I would love it if he surprises everyone. I wouldn’t rush him up because of Story’s injury though. The 2023 season was already being mailed in to some extent, now it’s a little bit gloomier, but ultimately not much changes. It’s just deflating to hear
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Post by manfred on Jan 10, 2023 15:28:30 GMT -5
Has anyone seen anything about failure rate for this? Does it definitely head off TJ surgery? I always worry when I see guys saying therapy, platelet-rich injections etc that it is delaying the inevitable. Is this a proven alternative?
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 10, 2023 15:28:53 GMT -5
This certainly makes a LHH MI to platoon with Arroyo more important, add on top of that the need to add a guy like Andrus or Iglesias. Hindsight is 20/20 but designating Downs for assignment with the complete lack of MI depth looks even worse now. Not saying I expect anything from Downs but he'd still be a better option than anyone they currently have to take some of the PT in the middle infield, same goes for Hoy Park. Downs sucks, I'd rather have the minor league free agent they got, Niko Goodrum, playing for the Red Sox.
I would much rather have Hoy Park though.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 10, 2023 15:30:49 GMT -5
So now Sox don't have a starting shortstop or second baseman.
Help me again, what was The Plan™?
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Post by jmei on Jan 10, 2023 15:31:18 GMT -5
This certainly makes a LHH MI to platoon with Arroyo more important, add on top of that the need to add a guy like Andrus or Iglesias. Hindsight is 20/20 but designating Downs for assignment with the complete lack of MI depth looks even worse now. Not saying I expect anything from Downs but he'd still be a better option than anyone they currently have to take some of the PT in the middle infield, same goes for Hoy Park. Here's the thing about guys like Downs and Park though, there are almost certainly going to be players of a similar quality available on waivers between now and the end of spring training. They are the poster children for replacement level.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 10, 2023 15:31:36 GMT -5
This certainly makes a LHH MI to platoon with Arroyo more important, add on top of that the need to add a guy like Andrus or Iglesias. Hindsight is 20/20 but designating Downs for assignment with the complete lack of MI depth looks even worse now. Not saying I expect anything from Downs but he'd still be a better option than anyone they currently have to take some of the PT in the middle infield, same goes for Hoy Park. Downs sucks, I'd rather have the minor league free agent they got, Niko Goodrum, playing for the Red Sox.
I would much rather have Hoy Park though.
To each their own but at least Downs is just 24 and might still have some upside left in him, Goodrum is a journeyman bum.
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Post by levi on Jan 10, 2023 15:32:07 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS. A one sentence statement and contradiction. Bobs gonna Bob. He’s also been reporting that Story (according to teammates) might need TJ for a while. Pretty sure he wrote an article at the end of the 2022 season.
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