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Trevor Story Undergoes Internal Brace Procedure
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Jan 10, 2023 21:15:10 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS. If you can avoid surgery you do, any set-backs with the surgery and the timeline is the same anyway. I used to bitch about the same thing. Players want to play, bottom line and if any of us thought why didn't player X get surgery done on Y, it's been thought of before and they have reasons for doing so even if you can't conceive of what those reasons are.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 10, 2023 21:16:22 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS. Kiké just called him full of horse poop for this.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 10, 2023 21:30:39 GMT -5
Money question: So presumably, Story will be put on the 60 day DL, taking him off the 40 man. If he misses half the season, will the Sox now have $10 million more to spend under the CBT? No. 60-day IL still counts.
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Post by dirtdog on Jan 10, 2023 21:30:47 GMT -5
This has been one of the worst off seasons all around that I can recall. Unless Bloom pulls a shrewd trade or two I dont think fans are done booing ownership and the front office. I am just hoping for the day when they finally stop trotting mostly spare parts out there.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jan 10, 2023 21:56:49 GMT -5
Anyone know Rico Petrocelli's number? Maybe the Rooster? Spike Owen, anyone?
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Post by cdj on Jan 10, 2023 22:13:34 GMT -5
This has been one of the worst off seasons all around that I can recall. Unless Bloom pulls a shrewd trade or two I dont think fans are done booing ownership and the front office. I am just hoping for the day when they finally stop trotting mostly spare parts out there. Like literally a season ago?
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Post by rico6 on Jan 10, 2023 22:46:49 GMT -5
Anyone know Rico Petrocelli's number? Maybe the Rooster? Spike Owen, anyone? Rico = 6, Rooster = 7 and Owen was 5 and 7.
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Post by ericmvan on Jan 10, 2023 22:57:23 GMT -5
Sign Andrus and trade for Ramon Laureano, moving Kiké to 2B.
a/k/a "Almost everyone on the roster already has a huge variance in their projected worth, so why stop now?"
If they let Turner walk at the end of the year, they can move Toshida to DH and Kiké back to the OF. Adding a CF is the only way to acquire a replacement for 2B that wouldn't end up as a one-year stopgap.
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Post by runner on Jan 10, 2023 23:04:46 GMT -5
Related-
Story is going to have to put up 2 monster years in 2024-2025 to have a chance to opt out or the Sox will be on the hook for 4 years instead of 2 years. Story's contract ending up a lot like Sale's. No value on the front end.
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Post by runner on Jan 10, 2023 23:24:59 GMT -5
Related- Story is going to have to put up 2 monster years in 2024-2025 to have a chance to opt out or the Sox will be on the hook for 4 years instead of 2 years. Story's contract ending up a lot like Sale's. No value on the front end. People point to the Sale contract as to why Dombrowski got fired. This Story contract has a chance to be the same with Bloom. Both players were signed while they were hurt or had a injury. 15 million dollars apart (155 for Sale, 140 for Story).
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Post by pappyman99 on Jan 10, 2023 23:33:39 GMT -5
Related- Story is going to have to put up 2 monster years in 2024-2025 to have a chance to opt out or the Sox will be on the hook for 4 years instead of 2 years. Story's contract ending up a lot like Sale's. No value on the front end. People point to the Sale contract as to why Dombrowski got fired. This Story contract has a chance to be the same with Bloom. Both players were signed while they were hurt or had a injury. 15 million dollars apart (155 for Sale, 140 for Story). The problem for Blooms is Story’s deal would have gotten Bogaerts done at the time. The other problem is Bloom, the league, and all of us were aware to Story’s elbow issues before that signings, and what’s even dumber is they were still hell bent on him moving to SS this season. From what’s I’ve read, maybe we see him September
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Post by sarasoxer on Jan 10, 2023 23:35:19 GMT -5
People point to the Sale contract as to why Dombrowski got fired. This Story contract has a chance to be the same with Bloom. Both players were signed while they were hurt or had a injury. 15 million dollars apart (155 for Sale, 140 for Story). The problem for Blooms is Story’s deal would have gotten Bogaerts done at the time. The other problem is Bloom, the league, and all of us were aware to Story’s elbow issues before that signings, and what’s even dumber is they were still hell bent on him moving to SS this season. From what’s I’ve read, maybe we see him September By then, no one will care.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jan 10, 2023 23:42:07 GMT -5
Karma for what they did to Xander.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 10, 2023 23:46:07 GMT -5
Karma for what they did to Xander. Lol. And karma? How Nice of you to be happy a player is injured.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 10, 2023 23:51:27 GMT -5
Karma for what they did to Xander. I swear some of you are actually rooting against the team. C’mon man.
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 11, 2023 0:03:47 GMT -5
Karma for what they did to Xander. I swear some of you are actually rooting against the team. C’mon man. You would think after the Bills injury, people would realize this is a job for the players, and entertainment for us. And wishing/rooting for injuries is asinine
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Post by notstarboard on Jan 11, 2023 2:12:36 GMT -5
Related- Story is going to have to put up 2 monster years in 2024-2025 to have a chance to opt out or the Sox will be on the hook for 4 years instead of 2 years. Story's contract ending up a lot like Sale's. No value on the front end. People point to the Sale contract as to why Dombrowski got fired. This Story contract has a chance to be the same with Bloom. Both players were signed while they were hurt or had a injury. 15 million dollars apart (155 for Sale, 140 for Story). Sale was already under contract and was given an extension a year before he was set to be a free agent. That was the particularly egregious part of that deal. Story was a free agent, meaning last year was the only chance to sign him, and his contract clearly does reflect his elbow concerns. He had been a 6 WAR player from 2019-2020. If he had stayed healthy and done that again in 2021 he would have been making silly money that offseason. Like easily $100 million over what he got. Sale has also done little for three years now (albeit with non-elbow injuries in 2022). Story is set to miss somewhere between a couple months and a year. 5/145 three years ago is also richer than 6/140 last year.
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Post by manfred on Jan 11, 2023 9:37:05 GMT -5
People point to the Sale contract as to why Dombrowski got fired. This Story contract has a chance to be the same with Bloom. Both players were signed while they were hurt or had a injury. 15 million dollars apart (155 for Sale, 140 for Story). Sale was already under contract and was given an extension a year before he was set to be a free agent. That was the particularly egregious part of that deal. Story was a free agent, meaning last year was the only chance to sign him, and his contract clearly does reflect his elbow concerns. He had been a 6 WAR player from 2019-2020. If he had stayed healthy and done that again in 2021 he would have been making silly money that offseason. Like easily $100 million over what he got. Sale has also done little for three years now (albeit with non-elbow injuries in 2022). Story is set to miss somewhere between a couple months and a year. 5/145 three years ago is also richer than 6/140 last year. Yes, heaven forbid someone sign our elite players to extensions before the eve of FA. Waiting to the last minute has been a great success. Add: DD took a risk and it got him fired. There are people on here talking about locking up Bello, for god’s sake. Pitchers are risky, but the Sox wanted to avoid losing a #1 to free agency. CB took a big risk, and it has so far been a bust. The money that will spend most of the first two years of this deal in the IL could have gone to, you know, the SS we already had? So we might be looking at not only no games from Story this year, but no games from X as a result.
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Post by jmei on Jan 11, 2023 9:42:49 GMT -5
Folks, again, I’m not sure what the Chris Sale extension has to do with Story’s injury. Let’s stay on topic here.
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Post by runner on Jan 11, 2023 9:45:38 GMT -5
People point to the Sale contract as to why Dombrowski got fired. This Story contract has a chance to be the same with Bloom. Both players were signed while they were hurt or had a injury. 15 million dollars apart (155 for Sale, 140 for Story). Sale was already under contract and was given an extension a year before he was set to be a free agent. That was the particularly egregious part of that deal. Story was a free agent, meaning last year was the only chance to sign him, and his contract clearly does reflect his elbow concerns. He had been a 6 WAR player from 2019-2020. If he had stayed healthy and done that again in 2021 he would have been making silly money that offseason. Like easily $100 million over what he got. Sale has also done little for three years now (albeit with non-elbow injuries in 2022). Story is set to miss somewhere between a couple months and a year. 5/145 three years ago is also richer than 6/140 last year. Sale earned that contract in the first half of 2018. If he goes to free agency, there would be a team that would probably pay more than 145 for Sale. I'm sure a lot of people would have loved to move on from that after the fact now, but I'm sure a lot of people would be panicking the Sox lost the best pitcher in the rotation at the time, too. Are we really getting into semantics right now over who is going to miss more time? The way I see it, the Sox aren't out of the woods, even when Story comes back. Whenever that is. He could still need a new ligament and miss a lot of 2024, too. Hope that isn't the case. As far as Sale goes, he could still prove to be a lot of value for the Sox in the future (even on this contract) if does two things- -Stays healthy in 2022 until the trade deadline and reverts back to 80 percent of Chris Sale. -Agrees to be traded. If he does both of those things the Sox could raid some teams top 2 out of 5 prospects. Preller would probably trade whatever he had left in his system for a healthy Sale I'm sure, since the Padres are going full drunk mode this year. The Sox might have to eat some money, but that shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by runner on Jan 11, 2023 9:49:27 GMT -5
Folks, again, I’m not sure what the Chris Sale extension has to do with Story’s injury. Let’s stay on topic here. They are kind of similar situations, but didn't see this post until I wrote mine. I'll avoid future posts.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 11, 2023 10:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 11, 2023 10:07:23 GMT -5
Speier's article in the globe today on the type of surgery is an interesting read: www.bostonglobe.com/2023/01/11/sports/what-is-an-internal-bracing-procedure-type-surgery-that-sidelined-red-sox-infielder-trevor-story/?event=event25The doctors say that for a while having Tommy John was like "one hammer for every nail" but not every tear is the same. This option allows them to "repair and augment" the ligament without having to replace it. Rich Hill, for example, had this operation in November 2019 rather than second TJ and was game ready in 7 months. The article mentions that Story could follow a more accelerated timeline than that, but I think that may just be speculation from Speier. In any case the typical timeline would have him back in the Majors around the all-star break, per this article. Let's hope for a speedy and successful recovery. At this point not going to count on Story for the season, but it sounds like if all goes well they could have him for about half which would be a nice mid-season boon.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 11, 2023 13:18:24 GMT -5
If this is true, why not just bite the bullet and get the surgery in October? Likely back for opening day with (possibly) a better chance of playing SS. If you can avoid surgery you do, any set-backs with the surgery and the timeline is the same anyway. I used to bitch about the same thing. Players want to play, bottom line and if any of us thought why didn't player X get surgery done on Y, it's been thought of before and they have reasons for doing so even if you can't conceive of what those reasons are. Umm a set back now could mean a missed season, so I don't really buy that argument. Blooms first big free agent signing and we get this.
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Post by seamus on Jan 11, 2023 13:26:22 GMT -5
If you can avoid surgery you do, any set-backs with the surgery and the timeline is the same anyway. I used to bitch about the same thing. Players want to play, bottom line and if any of us thought why didn't player X get surgery done on Y, it's been thought of before and they have reasons for doing so even if you can't conceive of what those reasons are. Umm a set back now could mean a missed season, so I don't really buy that argument. Blooms first big free agent signing and we get this. Surgeries are always dangerous, so you don't do them until there's no other choice. That's just the reality of medicine, especially in the current environment where hospitals are stretched and even delaying non-emergency procedures in many places. The timeline, as discussed by Merloni, Bloom, and others, is that Story's arm took a turn around Christmas when he was ramping up... surgery wasn't necessary until now. He may have had pre-existing issues, but they were clearly manageable without surgery in 2022 and it was perfectly reasonable to continue on that basis until the situation changed. Turning every bit of misfortune into a referendum on Bloom's tenure is tedious.
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