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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2023 14:24:40 GMT -5
He doesn’t have sexy stuff but he’s been effective his entire career. Kind of a throwback reliever.
Good guy to have to get DP’s too
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 30, 2023 14:26:05 GMT -5
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 30, 2023 14:26:42 GMT -5
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Jan 30, 2023 14:28:20 GMT -5
Reminiscent of the Burke Badenhop trade. Similar type of reliever, except for the handedness.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 30, 2023 14:28:33 GMT -5
Wow so they’re actually saving like $4-$5M here? Love it.
Edit: If they send $1M I think their CBT hit drops by $5.8M. Edit 2: Seeing tweets saying the savings are $4M. Either way like it just correcting myself.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 30, 2023 14:33:39 GMT -5
Next question is who comes off the 40 man to make room for Bleier? Is it Brasier time?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 30, 2023 14:36:03 GMT -5
Next question is who comes off the 40 man to make room for Bleier? Is it Brasier time? Probably, and that'd probably balance the lineup from a handedness-perspective. The real question is who comes off the 40 man for the guy they trade Brasier for?
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Post by incandenza on Jan 30, 2023 14:36:39 GMT -5
Uhhhh what's the catch? I would have traded Barnes stright up for Bleier, never mind the cash they're saving.
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Post by nomar on Jan 30, 2023 14:44:05 GMT -5
It’s crazy how many good years Bleier has had out of the pen while not missing any bats.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2023 14:49:34 GMT -5
Wow. This is really surprising… I did not think they’d get anything for Barnes, much less actually fill a need. Nicely done.
This may suggest other teams have higher expectations of Barnes, but… I think those teams are wrong. This is a nice move.
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Post by jmei on Jan 30, 2023 14:51:18 GMT -5
It’s crazy how many good years Bleier has had out of the pen while not missing any bats. I've always been a sucker for the low-strikeout, low-velocity ground ball guys. Brandon Webb was my favorite pitcher of that era.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 30, 2023 14:56:54 GMT -5
Fair to say that Kim Ng's decisions since taking control have been questionable.
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Post by tjb21 on Jan 30, 2023 15:05:06 GMT -5
Trade is a Win.
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Post by nomar on Jan 30, 2023 15:05:59 GMT -5
It’s crazy how many good years Bleier has had out of the pen while not missing any bats. I've always been a sucker for the low-strikeout, low-velocity ground ball guys. Brandon Webb was my favorite pitcher of that era. Yeah, Maddux comes to mind obviously too. That archetype is even rarer out of the pen though. Fair to say that Kim Ng's decisions since taking control have been questionable. This is almost too kind. She’s a disaster lol
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 30, 2023 15:13:16 GMT -5
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Post by wkdbigsoxfan on Jan 30, 2023 15:13:25 GMT -5
If the Sox are only sending $1m, probably would have sent a prospect to get it done this way, but I guess that wasn't needed. Great deal
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Jan 30, 2023 15:16:32 GMT -5
On the surface, this trade is a head-scratcher for the Marlins, especially considering the money (if current reports are accurate). Ng must really think that Barnesie's velo recovery at the end of last season was significant.
Maybe she thinks he can still close games if needed, in which case he could be a decent trade chip at the deadline -- but wouldn't Bleier also be one? I guess the gamble on her part is paying a few million of the owner's money for the possibility of a more valuable prospect at the end of July.
Given the amount of money Ng is swallowing here, you have to wonder how many teams were in play for Barnes's services. Chaim was smart to designate Barnes when he did (late in the off-season but still plenty of time before pitchers and catchers report) and force all the bidders to the table to maximize the return. Well played.
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Post by bloomstaxonomy on Jan 30, 2023 15:26:06 GMT -5
I’d be willing to bet that the groundwork for this trade was laid during greater conversations regarding Cabrera/Wendle/Rojas. At some point it probably would have included multiple players from both sides. And the Marlins likely circled back once he was DFA’d. That’s my guess.
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Post by Foulke_In_Athol on Jan 30, 2023 15:41:23 GMT -5
It looks like this bullpen should be able to limit walks and limit homers at an well above average rate. That and it seems to have great diversity in the type of arms that are available to Cora. It's really a great way to build a pen (in theory) especially with the volatility in relievers.
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Post by patford on Jan 30, 2023 15:46:51 GMT -5
Hard to imagine what the Marlins are thinking. Barnes had some outings at the end of last year where he got through an inning but they were tortuous to watch. He could not throw strikes and was walking a tightrope over a pit of boiling lava. He was such a pitiable I felt thrilled for him even though it was obvious he was horrible whether he gave up runs or not.
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Post by patford on Jan 30, 2023 15:50:24 GMT -5
On the surface, this trade is a head-scratcher for the Marlins, especially considering the money (if current reports are accurate). Ng must really think that Barnesie's velo recovery at the end of last season was significant. Maybe she thinks he can still close games if needed, in which case he could be a decent trade chip at the deadline -- but wouldn't Bleier also be one? I guess the gamble on her part is paying a few million of the owner's money for the possibility of a more valuable prospect at the end of July. Given the amount of money Ng is swallowing here, you have to wonder how many teams were in play for Barnes's services. Chaim was smart to designate Barnes when he did (late in the off-season but still plenty of time before pitchers and catchers report) and force all the bidders to the table to maximize the return. Well played. Did his velo tic up? I know Braiser's did. In any case I clearly recall he had a hell of a time throwing strikes and it seemed like the only way he could get through an inning was if batters foolishly took the bat off their shoulder.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2023 16:05:59 GMT -5
I mean, it is a really good trade for the Sox, but I don’t think it is baffling from the Marlins’ standpoint. If Barnes can get his form back, he’s a guy who helps them and is flippable. The extra money is not that big a deal with their paltry payroll. And they didn’t miss out on a likely big haul for Bleier. I don’t think this is some disaster for the M’s. It seems like a rational move for both teams.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jan 30, 2023 16:15:59 GMT -5
I mean, it is a really good trade for the Sox, but I don’t think it is baffling from the Marlins’ standpoint. If Barnes dan get his form back, he’s a guy who helps them and is flippable. The extra money is not that big a deal with their paltry payroll. And they didn’t miss out on a likely big haul for Bleier. I don’t think this is some disaster for the M’s. It seems like a rationale move for both teams. I had thought about the possibility they could just flip him at the deadline as a potential reasoning for the Marlins here, and I guess Barnes has a higher ceiling in a vacuum, but if you wanted to maximize trade return why would you not stick with the likely better player on a cheaper contract?
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 30, 2023 16:21:05 GMT -5
I mean, it is a really good trade for the Sox, but I don’t think it is baffling from the Marlins’ standpoint. If Barnes dan get his form back, he’s a guy who helps them and is flippable. The extra money is not that big a deal with their paltry payroll. And they didn’t miss out on a likely big haul for Bleier. I don’t think this is some disaster for the M’s. It seems like a rationale move for both teams. If the Red Sox made the reverse trade many of us might say "well they must have seen something that makes them think they can get him back to his better form" to rationalize it. Maybe the Marlins see something.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2023 16:22:26 GMT -5
I mean, it is a really good trade for the Sox, but I don’t think it is baffling from the Marlins’ standpoint. If Barnes dan get his form back, he’s a guy who helps them and is flippable. The extra money is not that big a deal with their paltry payroll. And they didn’t miss out on a likely big haul for Bleier. I don’t think this is some disaster for the M’s. It seems like a rationale move for both teams. I had thought about the possibility they could just flip him at the deadline as a potential reasoning for the Marlins here, and I guess Barnes has a higher ceiling in a vacuum, but if you wanted to maximize trade return why would you not stick with the likely better player on a cheaper contract? I think you said it: ceiling. Bleier is the likely better player (I think it is a virtual certainty). But in the off chance Barnes comes out dealing, he could have greater trade value in the heat of races. We’ve seen Barnes put together incredible stretches. Imagine one of those near the deadline… some sucker is going to bite. So my guess is they are hoping for a Pivetta/Seabold in the summer. If it doesn’t happen… oh well. Bleier is not going to be the difference maker for them, so they are gambling.
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