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Post by GyIantosca on Jan 30, 2023 16:22:34 GMT -5
Next question is who comes off the 40 man to make room for Bleier? Is it Brasier time? LOL, Brasier is like that J.Edgar Hoover,keeping tabs on the people around him.
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Post by enfuego on Jan 30, 2023 16:26:47 GMT -5
Ort is 31. They may be able to sneak him down to Triple A.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 30, 2023 17:18:09 GMT -5
The only thing that makes sense to me is that the Marlins won (or lost) a bidding war.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 30, 2023 18:21:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't be shocked if Barnes has a really good season.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 30, 2023 18:25:13 GMT -5
Wouldn't be shocked if Barnes has a really good season. If so, good for the Marlins. In terms of need, money, and career performance, great for the Sox.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 30, 2023 18:28:19 GMT -5
Well, I'm quick to criticize Bloom when he doesnt make a move I like, but it swings both ways with me.
I applaud Bloom for this trade. I absolutely love it.
They needed a high leverage bullpen lefty. I had no idea he could trade a shaky (to be kind) Matt Barnes for a lefty with that kind of track record!
I remember liking Bleier when he was with the Orioles. Always thought he was underrated. I can see that he continued to pitch well with the Marlins.
And yeah he came cheaper than signing a guy like Chafin or Smith or probably Moore, who is wild.
I really like this trade.
Maybe they sign Iglesias for insurance and they're good to go for spring training.
Bloom got the quality lefty I have been clamoring for and in a surprising way.
A pen of Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Houck, Bleier, Rodriguez, and Brasier (I'd prefer Crawford) is a lot deeper and structured than it's been in awhile. Now I like the bullpen! I like this much better than throwing spaghetti against the wall.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 30, 2023 18:31:39 GMT -5
Barnes sucks and all but what does Ort have on Chaim Bloom? Wouldn't be shocked if Barnes has a really good season.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jan 30, 2023 18:40:51 GMT -5
Barnes sucks and all but what does Ort have on Chaim Bloom? Wouldn't be shocked if Barnes has a really good season. Hmmmm....
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jan 30, 2023 18:43:46 GMT -5
you have to like getting something for a DFA candidate who was due his salary. nice move.
and with that, my selfish "Barnes brings out the worst in me" attitude is purged and I can thank him for pitching for the hometown crew and wish him luck.
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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2023 18:46:51 GMT -5
Barnes sucks and all but what does Ort have on Chaim Bloom? Wouldn't be shocked if Barnes has a really good season. Checks out I think Barnes could have a solid season out there too. I’d still do this deal 10 times out of 10
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 30, 2023 18:48:52 GMT -5
It's a low stakes trade, but this one is robbery.
The Marlins likely had zero interest in keeping Bleier around for a few million. I think he probably wouldn't match what's left on his deal in free agency, either. But personally I would rate him as having neutral to mildly positive value thanks to that team option. He also fits nicely on the roster as the second lefty.
As for Barnes, on page one of this thread I was expecting us to get nothing back and pay $8 million. I do wonder if he wasn't really next in line for a DFA, but they already knew about the trade interest and knew they were going to pull the trigger eventually. There is a linked interview on the night of the DFA where Chaim is being a little weird with his language that made me think as much at the time.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 30, 2023 19:00:12 GMT -5
Barnes sucks and all but what does Ort have on Chaim Bloom? Wouldn't be shocked if Barnes has a really good season. That's honestly the best Barnes quote from me you can come up with?! I said what I said. I've bashed Barnes on here for years. That doesn't mean that a change of scenery doesn't do wonders for some people. I don't hate the deal, FYI. Just more or less an observation.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 30, 2023 19:04:39 GMT -5
It's a low stakes trade, but this one is robbery. The Marlins likely had zero interest in keeping Bleier around for a few million. I think he probably wouldn't match what's left on his deal in free agency, either. But personally I would rate him as having neutral to mildly positive value thanks to that team option. He also fits nicely on the roster as the second lefty. As for Barnes, on page one of this thread I was expecting us to get nothing back and pay $8 million. I do wonder if he wasn't really next in line for a DFA, but they already knew about the trade interest and knew they were going to pull the trigger eventually. There is a linked interview on the night of the DFA where Chaim is being a little weird with his language that made me think as much at the time. You don't think? Guys who got his AAV on the free eagent market are like Aroldis Chapman (washed up domestic abuser), Miguel Castro (career ERA/FIP of 4.12/4.74), and Scott McGough (hasn't pitched in the majors since 2015). Even go up to the $5 million level (Mychal Givens, Pierce Johnson) and I'm not seeing anyone I'd prefer to Bleier.
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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2023 19:09:45 GMT -5
THANKS A LOT CRAIG
Def makes way more sense
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Post by scottysmalls on Jan 30, 2023 19:10:34 GMT -5
THANKS A LOT CRAIG Def makes way more sense Unfortunate! Makes more sense though. Still save about $1M in the transaction.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 30, 2023 19:12:41 GMT -5
Well that makes more sense. Still like the deal though.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 30, 2023 19:15:50 GMT -5
It's a low stakes trade, but this one is robbery. The Marlins likely had zero interest in keeping Bleier around for a few million. I think he probably wouldn't match what's left on his deal in free agency, either. But personally I would rate him as having neutral to mildly positive value thanks to that team option. He also fits nicely on the roster as the second lefty. As for Barnes, on page one of this thread I was expecting us to get nothing back and pay $8 million. I do wonder if he wasn't really next in line for a DFA, but they already knew about the trade interest and knew they were going to pull the trigger eventually. There is a linked interview on the night of the DFA where Chaim is being a little weird with his language that made me think as much at the time. You don't think? Guys who got his AAV on the free eagent market are like Aroldis Chapman (washed up domestic abuser), Miguel Castro (career ERA/FIP of 4.12/4.74), and Scott McGough (hasn't pitched in the majors since 2015). Even go up to the $5 million level (Mychal Givens, Pierce Johnson) and I'm not seeing anyone I'd prefer to Bleier. Eh he's got Rich Hill stuff and doesn't get strikeouts, nobody's ever going to be much of a believer. Personally I think his deal is not bad though.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jan 30, 2023 19:21:42 GMT -5
Cotillo has us sending "a little more than 5.5 million" now, and noted accountant/CBT watcher @themarkyd predicts that it'll be 5.625 to make the money exactly neutral
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 30, 2023 19:22:42 GMT -5
I was worried about Kim Ng's sanity there for a minute.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 30, 2023 19:44:06 GMT -5
You don't think? Guys who got his AAV on the free eagent market are like Aroldis Chapman (washed up domestic abuser), Miguel Castro (career ERA/FIP of 4.12/4.74), and Scott McGough (hasn't pitched in the majors since 2015). Even go up to the $5 million level (Mychal Givens, Pierce Johnson) and I'm not seeing anyone I'd prefer to Bleier. Eh he's got Rich Hill stuff and doesn't get strikeouts, nobody's ever going to be much of a believer. Personally I think his deal is not bad though. Maybe, but it's not like a mysterious skill-set: career 1.47 BB/9 and 60%+ GB rate; you can see how he's been effective despite the lack of Ks. And he's been really consistent - xERA between 3.01 and 3.78 every season but for his rookie year.
Anyways, I'd give him more than any of those guys I mentioned above if I was a GM.
And by the way I am VERY amped to see our bullpen walk way fewer guys this year. Bullpen walks are just so soul-crushing.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 30, 2023 19:55:28 GMT -5
THANKS A LOT CRAIG Def makes way more sense Unfortunate! Makes more sense though. Still save about $1M in the transaction. Good, now Bloom can give Brasier a $1M raise and call it an off-season.
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Post by manfred on Jan 30, 2023 20:04:18 GMT -5
Still like trading a guy they weren’t going to get anything out of for a guy who might help. The money was sunk and stays sunk. Oh well. But this is better than just releasing him. And it means not having to sign a remaining lefty FA.
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Post by cdj on Jan 30, 2023 20:07:13 GMT -5
In case it hasn’t been posted yet
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 30, 2023 21:19:37 GMT -5
I do not know if this take has been verbalized, but IMO Barnes was DFA knowing there were teams interested, and to induce the interested parties to act allowing Bloom to pick the best deal from the possible suitors. It would be the same if Bloom had discussions with 4 or 5 teams about Verdugo then DFAed him knowing team X would make an offer…..and not that Bloom was willing to loose him for nothing…
I do not think Barnes is worse than Ort, it is that Barnes is not in the 2 to 3 year plan, and he could be traded to fill the LH reliever need. Barnes, IMO, had more trade value than say Ort. That does not mean Ort will be kept, just that Barnes netted a bigger return.
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Post by jbur521 on Jan 30, 2023 21:54:37 GMT -5
Years ago after the Sox drafted Anthony Ranaudo I took a ride to Wareham in the Cape Cod league to watch him pitch before he signed. George Springer I think didn't get a hit against him but I wasn't terribly impressed by Ranaudo. The next day my sons asked about the game and I said that he looked okay but that this pitcher from UCONN, Matt Barnes was lights out...was thrilled when we drafted him the next year!
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