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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 9, 2023 16:04:48 GMT -5
I think there is some interest in discussing this. Playoff odds are down to 11% on Fangraphs.
The Red Sox have the following pending free agents that may be of interest to a contender:
James Paxton Justin Turner Adam Duvall
Kiké Hernandez
Notably the Red Sox are in a good position to eat the entire salaries of these players, since they are safely under the luxury tax line. The Rangers and Astros are in a dog fight for a #2 seed and as far as I can tell both teams are just barely under the luxury tax line, so they would appear to be two good dance partners.
One thing we learned last year is that there was very little interest in trading for pending free agents among teams that weren't fighting for a bye in the playoffs.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 9, 2023 16:31:43 GMT -5
I would think if Paxton can stay healthy and dealing till the deadline he could be highly sought after. Not saying he'd return a top 100 guy but I would think he could get more than just some lotto guys.
The rest of the guys, Hernandez, Duvall, turner probably not looking at a whole lot back but maybe you can get at least one Vazquez esque deal which if you can get a guy comparable to Valdez which is a decent ML caliber bench piece with some potential for more and/or an abreu who is a toolsy upper minors guy then I think it'd be a win.
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 9, 2023 16:36:23 GMT -5
Depending how out of it the team is, I'd say Kenley would be another one to put on the sell list. If he's traded, I'd hold onto Martin as the closer.
EDIT: If the Padres are in it, I wonder if Paxton would be a good centerpiece to snag Kim. They really, really need some solid starting pitching and it would be nice to have a guaranteed MIF option in Kim going into next season.
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Post by larrycook on Jun 9, 2023 16:44:12 GMT -5
Turner would look good back in dodger blue
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Post by dirtywaterinla on Jun 9, 2023 16:46:55 GMT -5
Turner would look good back in dodger blue If he gets traded, I hope this happens out shear respect to him and his family. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 9, 2023 16:47:12 GMT -5
Depending how out of it the team is, I'd say Kenley would be another one to put on the sell list. If he's traded, I'd hold onto Martin as the closer.
EDIT: If the Padres are in it, I wonder if Paxton would be a good centerpiece to snag Kim. They really, really need some solid starting pitching and it would be nice to have a guaranteed MIF option in Kim going into next season.
I was thinking maybe kenly to the Padres since I agree if they can move kenly and his deal I'd be for it since I think the 2024 team could better spend that 16 mil elsewhere and thr Padres don't seem to care about money. A Paxton kenly combo could make sense but probably lessens the return for Paxton |
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 9, 2023 17:09:42 GMT -5
Paxton is definitely the big chip, but everything depends on health and production. Kiké and Turner need an uptick in production to really be worth anything and Duvall needs to show that his start to the season wasnât just a crazy hot streak.
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Post by rico6 on Jun 9, 2023 17:43:24 GMT -5
Just wishing them all good health at least through the trade deadline.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 9, 2023 17:56:45 GMT -5
Honestly I dont know if they have enough to trade that would get them much more than a middle reliever/utility player type. I think between Xander, JD Martinez, Eovaldi, Wacha, and Vazquez, they were in a much better position last season to get better returns than they would this season.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 9, 2023 18:26:43 GMT -5
Honestly I dont know if they have enough to trade that would get them much more than a middle reliever/utility player type. I think between Xander, JD Martinez, Eovaldi, Wacha, and Vazquez, they were in a much better position last season to get better returns than they would this season. I mostly agree but last year they were in half buy half sell mode. If they go into full sell mode then some mid reliever/utility types are probably better than guys leaving at end of year for nothing. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 9, 2023 18:36:14 GMT -5
Paxton, Duvall and Turner (with subsidized salaries) prob all have more trade value than Vazquez last year, and everyone is pleased with that return
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Post by keninten on Jun 9, 2023 19:03:14 GMT -5
Depending how out of it the team is, I'd say Kenley would be another one to put on the sell list. If he's traded, I'd hold onto Martin as the closer.
EDIT: If the Padres are in it, I wonder if Paxton would be a good centerpiece to snag Kim. They really, really need some solid starting pitching and it would be nice to have a guaranteed MIF option in Kim going into next season.
What could we possibly get for Kenley? A bag of balls would be nice but I`m sure we`d have to add some cash in the deal. |
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Post by kwodes on Jun 9, 2023 19:11:22 GMT -5
You could also deal Verdugo for a good return and just call up Abreu to take his spot.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jun 9, 2023 19:22:18 GMT -5
Personally my dream at the deadline would be to move Kenley for a prospect with a pulse if they are not in it.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 9, 2023 20:00:54 GMT -5
Honestly I dont know if they have enough to trade that would get them much more than a middle reliever/utility player type. I think between Xander, JD Martinez, Eovaldi, Wacha, and Vazquez, they were in a much better position last season to get better returns than they would this season. Not sure I agree really.
Turner>JDM (2022 version) Paxton>Eovaldi (2022 version) Duvall>Wacha Vazquez=meh
There's no one like Xander to trade this year, for sure. But it seems like they weren't going to trade Xander last year even if they had been out of the race at the trade deadline.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 9, 2023 20:02:20 GMT -5
Depending how out of it the team is, I'd say Kenley would be another one to put on the sell list. If he's traded, I'd hold onto Martin as the closer.
EDIT: If the Padres are in it, I wonder if Paxton would be a good centerpiece to snag Kim. They really, really need some solid starting pitching and it would be nice to have a guaranteed MIF option in Kim going into next season.
What could we possibly get for Kenley? A bag of balls would be nice but I`m sure we`d have to add some cash in the deal. don't personally value Proven Closers too much but teams sure seem to at every trade deadline. Even Kimbrel has fetched decent deadline returns, IIRC. |
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Post by keninten on Jun 9, 2023 20:07:13 GMT -5
What could we possibly get for Kenley? A bag of balls would be nice but I`m sure we`d have to add some cash in the deal. don't personally value Proven Closers too much but teams sure seem to at every trade deadline. Even Kimbrel has fetched decent deadline returns, IIRC. Another $16 mil next year will make it tough. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 9, 2023 20:30:26 GMT -5
I think Kenley at 1/16 + Red Sox pay the $6 million or so left on his 2023 deal prob has value on the market
Guessing Kenley will find a way to only get traded to a team that will let him collect saves
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 9, 2023 20:58:50 GMT -5
Red Sox won today. Lock the thread. They're back in it baby.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 9, 2023 21:31:49 GMT -5
Honestly with DeGrom out for the season, I've been salivating at the idea of trading Paxton to the Rangers. (I even put this in the previous series gamethread) Texas has 5 top 100 prospects and the number 4 overall pick in this draft. Currently, 11 of their top 13 prospects are either RHP or OF. Similarly 7 out of the top 8 prospects in the draft (all from mlb.com) are also RHP or OF.
Meanwhile our best pitching prospect at the moment is either Mata, Walter, or Drohan.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jun 9, 2023 21:33:23 GMT -5
Then again I'm biased because I'm still a little bitter that they weren't selling harder last year and I felt like I was screaming into the void with people on here only to end up right later on.
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Post by notstarboard on Jun 9, 2023 21:37:16 GMT -5
Fangraphs can get off my lawn! I still don't think this team is going to be a seller at the deadline. The pitching situation is still decent even after the wave of injuries. The depth is much reduced now, but they're holding. This lineup is not going to be held down for too long in my opinion, especially with Duvall back, and Chang is also likely to be back in a few days to shore up our infield defense. Him plus Duvall should combine to make this a much better defensive team than it has been.
I'm also bullish on Story's return timeline given the typical ~6 month recovery time and Cora's comments on his progress. I'd be more surprised if we hit August and he's not back with the team. If we can just avoid more Duvall / Sale-esque injuries, I think we're in very good shape to make a run.
So, I think this conversation is premature. If we implode enough to outright sell at the deadline, it probably means that many of the pieces we thought we'd want to move at the deadline are either injured or ineffective.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 9, 2023 21:37:41 GMT -5
Honestly with DeGrom out for the season, I've been salivating at the idea of trading Paxton to the Rangers. (I even put this in the previous series gamethread) Texas has 5 top 100 prospects and the number 4 overall pick in this draft. Currently, 11 of their top 13 prospects are either RHP or OF. Similarly 7 out of the top 8 prospects in the draft (all from mlb.com) are also RHP or OF. Meanwhile our best pitching prospect at the moment is either Mata, Walter, or Drohan. Oh man, can you imagine if the Rangers traded for an injury prone guy and then they get hurt? |
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 10, 2023 7:20:52 GMT -5
The biggest issue that the team is going to face at the deadline is that the players mostly fit into two categories: underperforming vets or foundational youth. You’re not going to get much for the former and you don’t really want to trade the latter.
I also wonder how last year’s mistakes will affect this deadline. You don’t want teams making unnecessary decisions based on prior mistakes, but I’d like to see that they learned something. This team is not built to be a contender right now. Don’t try and force it.
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Post by kwodes on Jun 10, 2023 10:10:51 GMT -5
What about a trade target? I think with the glut of middle infield prospects the reds have coming up, Jonathan India would be someone they may he able to get. Would you do a package built around Rafaela and Abreu?
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