2023 Trade Deadline Thread

Ayyyy.. do you watch games or listen to the broadcasts? 

That ERA is exactly league average, which given the walks is darn good. Yeah it's a gamble, you don't get a guy with his controllable years and stuff without question marks without it costing half the farm. I take that gamble every day for a 38 year old player, especially when you have legit well above average bats to take his spot and an elite prospect cooking in AAA. If he gets back to last years 4.1 walk rate, he's a very valuable player and helps the team for years.

I don't think they were immature or pathetic, but you can read many articles and comments from players(Xander) who questioned the move and felt like they got nothing in return. Also I don't know if you're trying to rehash the whole buy sell deadline last year, but I've consistently said I liked last years deadline overall. So the whole first two sentences feel out of place and unnecessary to the point of my post.

Also I never said Turner was not valuable on the field, was just pointing out how trading a DH can make many feel like the season is being punted on due to off the field reasons.

The Marlins have Perez in minors also and he's been lights out. That team is loaded with young pitchers.

Bloom we need controllable pitchers, Devers we need pitching. You have 4 Starting level OF with good bats and top prospect killing it in AAA. Story on the way, Urais was also traded for. If the team thinks that's punting, then we likely have the wrong mix of players. I can understand being disappointed, yet that can change with the engery an electric prospect can bring and we really need an upgrade on D.

He's in the minors because they are managing his innings though, unrelated to his performance. 

I really don't disagree with you, one of the Marlins' young pitchers could be a fantastic fit for this team. Wouldn't be surprised if the restart talks in the offseason. I'm just saying from a clubhouse optics standpoint, the move could be viewed negatively. We can't measure that exactly, but I'm sure that is something that the front office weighed while talking to the Marlins about Turner. 

Also you do lose a 126 wRC+ DH in Turner, which I think could be a survivable loss with pitching coming back and improved defense with Yoshida at DH. But super big if and very risky. Factoring in any clubhouse dynamics that come along with it makes it a very tough loss.

Is it a total punt if you’re adding Cabrera and also get to optimize the defensive alignment? Yoshi to DH improves the defense in exchange for downgrading a bat from Turner to (for arguments sake) Duvall. I won’t say Cabrera to the rotation is a guaranteed upgrade, but in the context of this season only it’s a high volatility move and frankly with where the team is at this year, I think it’s fine (if not shrewd) to shoot for that upside. Net net it’s probably a hit to this years team but adds some upside on the top end of outcomes and sets you up long term (depending on which prospects would have been sent to MIA).

I've been wondering the same thing. Throw in the domestic reserve limit (which is coming down, I believe?) and I think teams are probably more hesitant to take on marginal guys than maybe they used to be. Given a choice, most teams would probably prefer their own marginal guys over another team's simply because they'll already have more information.

Not saying that the Sox weren't too passive in terms of making trades (though I'm personally fine with riding with the current team, which has been one of the best in baseball for a good stretch of the season and probably gets better in the next 2-3 weeks), but I don't know how much value they really could have gotten out of fringy Rule 5 guys. One of their better ones yielded Luis Urias, which was a great move, but that was very much context-dependent on his weird year and Milwaukee being owned by Scrooge McDuck.

I like Bonaci, but nobody is going to draft him in Rule 5. You can't stash an A+ ball position player all year. He doesn't have Noah Song upside. I don't see Bonaci's R5 status playing in. Also, we have guys like Jordan and Hickey who are not R5 eligible who are tradeable.

Finally, we added 2 guys from LA that need to be rostered for our bullpen - so we must not be so worried about the spots for our team.

I do agree R5 protection is a significant issue driving who is traded this time of year, but it isn't maybe quite as big a deal as some are making it out to be. Blalock was not gonna get selected in R5 this December either.

Different topic, but they really should change R5 years for foreign signed players. It is not fair to them to need to be on roster so quickly given so many sign at 16. They should have a 3rd category for players signed at 16 that gives 6 yrs.

It is true that none of our opinions matter for what would have gotten any particular trade done.

It is also true that the history of undersized 1Bs is that they hit some HRs early on (if they are good enough to stick), they get arb raises that are worth too much, and teams often dump them during arb years, so they fail to get full value from them. It is also nearly always (maybe always) true that a team can pick up one of these guys in the offseason for $5M or less.

So yeah - the Guardians may want a young 1B who they don't have to pay $4M, but I am sure they would rather have an OF who can actually play defense and hit. They might prefer a different player from another team than Rafaela or not -- though I would not imagine Rafaela would have been offered for Civale.

The Guardians have a very smart front office. If we offered more value, they would have taken it. But I doubt we offered Rafaela for Civale. Their younger, more control pitchers may have been priced too high for us, but I suspect we could get one if we dangled enough quantity, even if laying off the guys most of us deem unwise to trade, because CLE needs a lot of bats (like we need pitching), and they would take them/value them at multiple levels of their system because they are not in win now mode.

To be clear -- I would trade Rafaela for nearly nobody. But a potential ace becomes a maybe. Other than that, I would not trade Rafaela. The value of his defense and ability to run bases are sufficient to roster on a team with a good lineup even if he isn't a league avg bat (though I think he may well hit in the bigs just fine).

Boy we really could have used a starter...

Totally agree and said so before the deadline, but even I have to admit that over the last week the main problem has be an inability to score runs.

Also, the new second baseman, although it is obviously very early, looks better than I thought he would. He may be league average t second while Arroyo was a step below league average. So I have to give the front office credit for getting him and for getting something for Kiké.


But yeah, we could have used a starter.