TearsIn04
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Everybody knows Nelson de la Rosa, but who is Karim Garcia?
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Post by TearsIn04 on Aug 6, 2023 14:37:20 GMT -5
There is no team in any other sport that implodes as spectacularly as the Sox. They are just the masters of it. In good times and bad, my mind often races back to previous Sox teams for a comparison. This one has a 2001 feel to me. That team fell apart in a big way.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 14:43:39 GMT -5
incandenza I hope you're ready for another offseason of arguing with people that knew a losing streak was coming immediately after the trade deadline Two things: one, if I were a reasonable person (questionable) I would be Bart Simpson writing "I will not argue about previous seasons' trade deadlines" on the chalkboard a hundred times.
Two, I thought they did a great job at the trade deadline last year, but I'm a little meh on this year. I think Urias was a really good pickup, and all by himself may prove to make this look like a fantastic trade deadline in retrospect. But the more I think about it, the more I feel that they should have done something a little more like what they did in 2022 - i.e., opportunistically add prospects without weakening the roster. Specifically, it seems like they clearly could have spared some of their outfield depth to add prospects; and then they could have spared a little of their prospect depth to add a Lorenzen-type pitcher. I wouldn't have objected to doing the same with a Paxton trade either.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2023 14:46:30 GMT -5
incandenza I hope you're ready for another offseason of arguing with people that knew a losing streak was coming immediately after the trade deadline Two things: one, if I were a reasonable person (questionable) I would be Bart Simpson writing "I will not argue about previous seasons' trade deadlines" on the chalkboard a hundred times.
Two, I thought they did a great job at the trade deadline last year, but I'm a little meh on this year. I think Urias was a really good pickup, and all by himself may prove to make this look like a fantastic trade deadline in retrospect. But the more I think about it, the more I feel that they should have done something a little more like what they did in 2022 - i.e., opportunistically add prospects without weakening the roster. Specifically, it seems like they clearly could have spared some of their outfield depth to add prospects; and then they could have spared a little of their prospect depth to add a Lorenzen-type pitcher. I wouldn't have objected to doing the same with a Paxton trade either.
I think there was nothing on the table for Duvall. No hitters went for any kind of return. Mariners held on to Teoscar Hernandez despite being willing to sell. A's DFA'ed Ramon Laureano for nothing.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 6, 2023 14:50:38 GMT -5
Houston just nuked Wandy Peralta
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 6, 2023 14:51:55 GMT -5
Houston just nuked Wandy Peralta Does bring me some comfort that the Yankees are in just as bad, if not a worse place, despite giving Rodon and Judge huge contracts in the offseason
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 6, 2023 14:53:09 GMT -5
Not even competitive at bats.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 6, 2023 14:54:18 GMT -5
Maybe Cedanne can give us a spark like Schneider
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 14:54:42 GMT -5
Two things: one, if I were a reasonable person (questionable) I would be Bart Simpson writing "I will not argue about previous seasons' trade deadlines" on the chalkboard a hundred times.
Two, I thought they did a great job at the trade deadline last year, but I'm a little meh on this year. I think Urias was a really good pickup, and all by himself may prove to make this look like a fantastic trade deadline in retrospect. But the more I think about it, the more I feel that they should have done something a little more like what they did in 2022 - i.e., opportunistically add prospects without weakening the roster. Specifically, it seems like they clearly could have spared some of their outfield depth to add prospects; and then they could have spared a little of their prospect depth to add a Lorenzen-type pitcher. I wouldn't have objected to doing the same with a Paxton trade either.
I think there was nothing on the table for Duvall. No hitters went for any kind of return. Mariners held on to Teoscar Hernandez despite being willing to sell. A's DFA'ed Ramon Laureano for nothing. Could be, though trading Verdugo was also an option. And there were good reasons not to trade Paxton too - he'd be key to any playoff run and they have the QO option with him. Maybe just nothing lined up.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 6, 2023 14:55:48 GMT -5
Robertson time. It would be good, if this guy is good.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 14:56:03 GMT -5
Can Keiermeaieraer please go to the National League I'm reminded that one of my predictions before last offseason was that the Red Sox would sign Kiermaier.
He is a free agent again this year...
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2023 14:56:34 GMT -5
The Sox for the 2nd straight year couldn't figure out what they wanted to do. Buy or sell so they kind of traded Kiké and Arroyo for Urias on their roster and for the most part stood pat. They needed a starter if they were going to buy and if they were going to kind of sell they needed to move Paxton and maybe Dugie. I think Urias will be decent and was a solid buy low guy. But again it fits the Bloom MO. Get a bunch of buy low talent and see who hits. You had the best player on the team begging for them to buy and help them by getting pitching. Because the value wasn't there Bloom decided to do nothing for the pitching staff. Is what it is I just wish they did something else other than stay under the tax at the deadline. Bloom felt this team was a long shot and more or less said the same after the deadline passed. If thats the case then why not sell?
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 6, 2023 14:57:00 GMT -5
Houston just nuked Wandy Peralta Does bring me some comfort that the Yankees are in just as bad, if not a worse place, despite giving Rodon and Judge huge contracts in the offseason Our payroll is going to be in good shape, just worried the Mets are going to outbid us for pitching this offseason lol
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2023 14:57:32 GMT -5
Can Keiermeaieraer please go to the National League I'm reminded that one of my predictions before last offseason was that the Red Sox would sign Kiermaier.
He is a free agent again this year... You know damn well he's going to sign and suck for the Sox. Usually how it goes when the Sox get players that absolutely own them.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2023 14:58:28 GMT -5
Does bring me some comfort that the Yankees are in just as bad, if not a worse place, despite giving Rodon and Judge huge contracts in the offseason Our payroll is going to be in good shape, just worried the Mets are going to outbid us for pitching this offseason lol Sox aren't going to be bidding on top end pitching such as Ohtani. Mets will. Playing in a different sandbox
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 6, 2023 14:58:31 GMT -5
I think there was nothing on the table for Duvall. No hitters went for any kind of return. Mariners held on to Teoscar Hernandez despite being willing to sell. A's DFA'ed Ramon Laureano for nothing. Could be, though trading Verdugo was also an option. And there were good reasons not to trade Paxton too - he'd be key to any playoff run and they have the QO option with him. Maybe just nothing lined up. The one crazy trade for a SP was the Angels dealing Edgar Quero for Giolito. Quero was their one guy to trade and unfortunately he's a catcher on the same timeline as Teel so I dunno how many people would have wanted that trade.
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Post by cutz on Aug 6, 2023 15:00:38 GMT -5
August 7th, 2022: Red Sox lose 3 out of 4 game to the Royals (including a walk off let up by Garrett Whitlock in the 9th), effectively put their season on life support. August 7th, 2023: Red Sox set to play against the Royals at Fenway Park… I’ve getting a nasty sense of deja vu You were right
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 6, 2023 15:00:45 GMT -5
The Sox for the 2nd straight year couldn't figure out what they wanted to do. Buy or sell so they kind of traded Kiké and Arroyo for Urias on their roster and for the most part stood pat. They needed a starter if they were going to buy and if they were going to kind of sell they needed to move Paxton and maybe Dugie. I think Urias will be decent and was a solid buy low guy. But again it fits the Bloom MO. Get a bunch of buy low talent and see who hits. You had the best player on the team begging for them to buy and help them by getting pitching. Because the value wasn't there Bloom decided to do nothing for the pitching staff. Is what it is I just wish they did something else other than stay under the tax at the deadline. Bloom felt this team was a long shot and more or less said the same after the deadline passed. If thats the case then why not sell? They’re in such a weird spot. Logically they should have sold but they also have a morale issue. I think the only pieces they could have reasonably sold were Turner/Paxton but Turner is teaching all the younger players and maybe the return for Paxton wasn’t that much better than a QO. They’re in complete no-man’s land
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Post by capesox on Aug 6, 2023 15:01:43 GMT -5
yeesh, this weekend has been a disaster for the Sox. It'll be hard to recover from this, the reinforcements had better arrive quickly.
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 15:02:56 GMT -5
I’m gunna scratch Robertson from my list of helpful additions.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 6, 2023 15:03:00 GMT -5
Some serious things are amiss with this team. Both depressing, and embarrassing.
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Post by capesox on Aug 6, 2023 15:03:30 GMT -5
at least it was fun to see Kirk run the bases. lol
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 6, 2023 15:04:46 GMT -5
The Sox for the 2nd straight year couldn't figure out what they wanted to do. Buy or sell so they kind of traded Kiké and Arroyo for Urias on their roster and for the most part stood pat. They needed a starter if they were going to buy and if they were going to kind of sell they needed to move Paxton and maybe Dugie. I think Urias will be decent and was a solid buy low guy. But again it fits the Bloom MO. Get a bunch of buy low talent and see who hits. You had the best player on the team begging for them to buy and help them by getting pitching. Because the value wasn't there Bloom decided to do nothing for the pitching staff. Is what it is I just wish they did something else other than stay under the tax at the deadline. Bloom felt this team was a long shot and more or less said the same after the deadline passed. If thats the case then why not sell? They’re in such a weird spot. Logically they should have sold but they also have a morale issue. I think the only pieces they could have reasonably sold were Turner/Paxton but Turner is teaching all the younger players and maybe the return for Paxton wasn’t that much better than a QO. They’re in complete no-man’s land Sure. But watch this team not offer Paxton the QO. For the record, I wouldn't have dealt Turner because you need a good veteran on the team to guide some of these young guys. But Paxton was a guy. You take the best offer possible and move on. Way too injury prone. Verdugo or Duvall? Sure.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 15:07:24 GMT -5
Wonder which position player is gonna pitch the 9th. Reyes? He looked so miserable last time they made him do it, it would be cruel to force him to again. Maybe Verdugo can do it as his public service requirement.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Aug 6, 2023 15:08:16 GMT -5
Our payroll is going to be in good shape, just worried the Mets are going to outbid us for pitching this offseason lol Sox aren't going to be bidding on top end pitching such as Ohtani. Mets will. Playing in a different sandbox Ya just know we’re gonna sign Severino. Pedro helped him before. Now, he’s going to again😂😂
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 15:09:21 GMT -5
I stand corrected. Not 11-1, and not a Verdugo HR. But maybe as far as he can hit it.
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