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8/4-8/6 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 6, 2023 15:11:34 GMT -5
They’re in such a weird spot. Logically they should have sold but they also have a morale issue. I think the only pieces they could have reasonably sold were Turner/Paxton but Turner is teaching all the younger players and maybe the return for Paxton wasn’t that much better than a QO. They’re in complete no-man’s land Sure. But watch this team not offer Paxton the QO. For the record, I wouldn't have dealt Turner because you need a good veteran on the team to guide some of these young guys. But Paxton was a guy. You take the best offer possible and move on. Way too injury prone. Verdugo or Duvall? Sure. Yeah it’s basically the question of half-season Paxton + QO > possible trade return, which may have been close. The market for hitters just didn’t seem great so idk. The only one that jumps out to me is the Giolito trade return but maybe the front office wasn’t high on any of the prospect packages?
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Post by ixnayexxus on Aug 6, 2023 15:12:42 GMT -5
Old man yells at cloud take: It's not fun seeing position players pitch anymore, because they no longer even try.
Edit: At least Pablo seems to be mixing it up
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 15:13:26 GMT -5
Wonder which position player is gonna pitch the 9th. Reyes? He looked so miserable last time they made him do it, it would be cruel to force him to again. Maybe Verdugo can do it as his public service requirement. Poor Pablo. Probably about to be DFA'd too...
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 15:15:42 GMT -5
Question is, will Reyes be the *only* position player to pitch.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Aug 6, 2023 15:17:57 GMT -5
Pitchers are athletes! Or is it the other way around in this case?
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 15:19:47 GMT -5
Reyes was the best pitcher of the day.
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Post by taiwansox on Aug 6, 2023 15:19:59 GMT -5
Reyes is our best pitcher by far, zero ERA!!
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Post by incandenza on Aug 6, 2023 15:20:29 GMT -5
Either the Jays will sweep... or Reyes is about to get the win in the greatest comeback in Red Sox history!
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Post by byechance on Aug 6, 2023 15:21:36 GMT -5
Wonder which position player is gonna pitch the 9th. Reyes? He looked so miserable last time they made him do it, it would be cruel to force him to again. Maybe Verdugo can do it as his public service requirement. Poor Pablo. Probably about to be DFA'd too... Yu Chang should be DFA'd before Reyes
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 15:34:56 GMT -5
Not gonna win many when you score 1 or give up 13!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 6, 2023 15:37:10 GMT -5
So...what next? Back to the drawing board? Which drawing board? 3 over .500. Good grief.
Last year on this date - 54-55
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Post by Montana Lemonious-Craig on Aug 6, 2023 15:45:19 GMT -5
Dugie 3-4 today. Do with that what you will
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 15:50:49 GMT -5
Dugie 3-4 today. Do with that what you will On three hits that barely nade it out of the infield, so… inconclusive.
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Post by cba82 on Aug 6, 2023 16:11:01 GMT -5
They wouldn’t DFA Reyes the day after asking him to pitch mop-up, would they?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 6, 2023 16:15:47 GMT -5
2022 all over again. I'm glad the Red Sox didn't buy. What a bunch of frauds. Getting swept is the nail in the coffin. The Red Sox should have been a contender this year. Bloom should be a farm director, not a GM. He has failed spectacularly at the ML level.
This season is 100% over and the Red Sox are likely to get Matthew Lugo types of players for Paxton and Duvall.
Roman Anthony aside, Mayer and Teel were guys I could pick. I think he's done good with the system overall, just that two guys in this system now that help the rankings were just universally acknowledged as the best available when they picked them. He hasn't traded a veteran for a prospect who has blossomed. He has 3 guys on the ML roster who were just highly regarded kids from the previous management.
I still like guys like Yorke, Jordan, and Bleis.
Frustrated. Just very frustrated. Not going under the luxury tax last year really hurt their odds in 2023 and I see no real good free agent options on the horizon unless they're coming out of Japan. Bloom also seems unprofessional when dealing with humans too. See Christian Vazquez and Alex Verdugo.
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Post by orion09 on Aug 6, 2023 16:17:35 GMT -5
The Sox do have reinforcements coming back, and I expect they’ll go on another run at some point, but the timing of this sweep is really terrible. They needed to win one game at the absolute minimum - now they’re 5 games out of the 3rd wild card spot with the Mariners and Yankees above them. And who knows what’s going on with Verdugo and Cora and whatever other nonsense is plaguing this team.
I like Cora, and he can only work with the roster he’s been given, but I would not be surprised to see him gone after the season if they miss the playoffs again.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 6, 2023 16:27:34 GMT -5
I went to a Hartford Yard Goate game today so I missed the Sox game. Cant really say I missed it.
Yesterday the Red Sox suffered another self inflicted loss that felt devastating.
I wanted to see how they'd respond. Would they show up and fight? Play their best game that they've played in awhile? Show that they intend to hang around in the race for 5th best team in the league?
I think we got a very clear and sadly predictable answer.
They are playing out the string before the "reinforcements" even arrive.
At this point I dont believe in this year anymore. Could they overcome their deficit? Yeah, if virtually everything breaks right, sure.
Will they? No. They are not. And if they were going pull this crap they should have done it a couple weeks sooner. If they had, would Bloom have sold off? I'm not even sure of that.
They shouldn't be in this position but here they are. Given where they were I'm not mad that Bloom didnt sell, but while I disagree with them, I do understand why the sell, sell, sell people felt the way they did. This is a hard team to believe in. And given a chance at home to prove they belong they shriveled. If they won 1 out of 3 they'd have been ok. As long as they weren't swept, so what did they do? They humiliated themselves justifying the feelings of those who doubted them.
This ain't the 2004 Red Sox (duh), but they did have a similar issue, awful team defense that was preventing them from going to the bext level.
They had Manny forced to play LF, Nixon who could barely move in RF, Damon who couldn't throw in CF, Nomar who was a statue at SS and defensive liability Kevin Millar at 1b.
Other than Nomar, Manny continued in left, Nixon got healthier and returned, and Millar retained his 1b job. But they had Reese and Kapler and added Cabrera, Mientkiewicz, and Roberts, who could come off the bench and fix the defense because Theo refused to let the defense become a fatal flaw, which went largely unaddressed this year.
This years team needed that help. A case for Rafaela coming up to strengthen the defense could be made. A late inning 1b who could PH and play defense could have helped. A utility infield glove maybe. One who could also play 3b late in the game.
I acknowledge it's not good proof bevause Raffy can botch a ball in the 6th inning just as easily in the 9th. But you get the point. The Sox defense is atrocious every inning. There's no relief from that.
The opener/bulk guy nonsense for 40% of the games thing is utterly ridiculous and burned them this week. It wreaks havoc with the pen, which was certainly not helped by the addition of Llovera who is awful.
This team is done in August and with the playoffs being so watered down, it's inexcusable.
Like I said I dont believe in this team. Theyll have to prove it to me. They wont.
I guess all that's left is to see if they can be the greatest last place team of all time. Woo-hoo.
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Post by blizzards39 on Aug 6, 2023 16:55:38 GMT -5
It’s sad reading this thread. You guys are the most pessimistic down group there ever is. Have to be realistic. The whole industry thought 5th place. 75-85 at best win team. Most of us had the Sox 80-90. And that is probably where they end up. On the bad they have had a pile of injuries, a bad season by Devers. That with lack of pitching depth, a lot of innings and ABs by AAA caliber talent and terible defence. On the good there is Bello, Duran, Casas, Crawford, wink , Wong. No reason the think the 2 longer contracts to Devers and Yoshida still arnt good deals and now have a to 5 farm. I’d say that’s a lot to be happy about. On top of that I’m still not ready to through in the towel. Things change fast in this game. The next 4 serries are all against bad teams. Thas is the last chance. And we may go 6-7 and be destined for .500.( I’ll be it with a good future). Or maybe, just maybe we go 8-3 ( very good chance) and are right back in the mix with 35 games to go and have the best roster we have had all year. It’s an up and down game. Things happen fast but the trick is don’t get to down in the lows or up in the highs. I’ve been involved in a lot of sports, and at this point you pretty much have to forget what happened the last 3 serries and turn the page.
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Post by ephus on Aug 6, 2023 17:05:05 GMT -5
Am I feeling let down by this weekend? Of course I am. Am I disappointed with this season? I guess that depends wether you as my logical mind or my emotional mind. My emotional mind feels that if this team played with a higher baseball IQ, they’d absolutely be headed to the playoffs and the young guys would get some great experience. My logical mind keeps reminding me that going in to spring training this was a bridge year with a few goals: see Casas, Bello and Wong develop; see if Sale, Whitlock and Paxton could get healthy and see what we had with Masa. The emergence of Duran was not anticipated. And while the health questions about the pitching staff have been answered, it would be hard see a better start for Casas, Bello and Masa’s bat. Wong has showed well as well and Kutter Crawford has become a reliable piece. Turner has been great and Duvall has been about as expected. Raffy’s regression is disappointing but I think that as the line-up improves so will he. So, let’s get Story and the arms back and make another run and see if we can’t make this interesting again; and if not, the winter will have a pretty clear objective: arms, arms, arms.
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Post by cdj on Aug 6, 2023 17:12:48 GMT -5
Burn the gdt, bury the game tape. we start anew against the Royals
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Post by dirtdog on Aug 6, 2023 17:14:19 GMT -5
Big series at home the team shows no pulse, no guts, no desire. I guess this is what patchwork teams that are riddled with journeymen do. Show up for a days, then take a few off. This team had their way with Toronto until this series.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 6, 2023 17:14:40 GMT -5
It’s sad reading this thread. You guys are the most pessimistic down group there ever is. Have to be realistic. The whole industry thought 5th place. 75-85 at best win team. Most of us had the Sox 80-90. And that is probably where they end up. On the bad they have had a pile of injuries, a bad season by Devers. That with lack of pitching depth, a lot of innings and ABs by AAA caliber talent and terible defence. On the good there is Bello, Duran, Casas, Crawford, wink , Wong. No reason the think the 2 longer contracts to Devers and Yoshida still arnt good deals and now have a to 5 farm. I’d say that’s a lot to be happy about. On top of that I’m still not ready to through in the towel. Things change fast in this game. The next 4 serries are all against bad teams. Thas is the last chance. And we may go 6-7 and be destined for .500.( I’ll be it with a good future). Or maybe, just maybe we go 8-3 ( very good chance) and are right back in the mix with 35 games to go and have the best roster we have had all year. It’s an up and down game. Things happen fast but the trick is don’t get to down in the lows or up in the highs. I’ve been involved in a lot of sports, and at this point you pretty much have to forget what happened the last 3 serries and turn the page. I love that you included the MFY's as a bad team. Good call !!! Yeah, the Sox still have time and if they dominate these next four series and Seattle comes back down to earth a bit, they will be right on Blue Jays heals again. Those last two weeks of August playing Houston and LA will be exciting , if, they have momentum going it to those games. I bought seats to one Fenway game, August 30 vs. Astros, this season. I am 100 % sure I'll be seeing a Sox team that is much better than the last 10 games.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 6, 2023 17:42:52 GMT -5
Fan graphs playoff odds now 11 percent
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Post by wOBA Fett on Aug 6, 2023 17:49:21 GMT -5
Fan graphs playoff odds now 11 percent Was 15.3% before today.
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Post by manfred on Aug 6, 2023 18:02:32 GMT -5
And away we go…
“You pessimists! We knew we were no good this year anyway! (Though it didn’t mean selling at the deadline, you losers!). What’s with you people? Don’t you know everything is going as we were told in 2019? 2025 was always the plan, so anything between now and then is either a) irrelevant; b) gravy; or c) a sign that everything is going great!”
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