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4/30-5/2 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by mredsox89 on May 1, 2013 23:05:56 GMT -5
It's early, small sample size, he has a bad hip. All that aside, the Red Sox might want to lock Napoli up for two more years around the All Star break. They may have to outbid someone this offseason if he stays around .270, 30 hr, and slugs north of .525. If he has that type of season they'll give him the qualifying offer and it will probably shut down his market. Even if he has a year like he did in 2011 they can probably play it year to year moving forward. I really just don't think a productive year is all of a sudden going to fix the issue teams have with his hip. It hadn't been a problem for him prior to this year, but showed in the MRI. The degenerative condition will never get better, so I don't think anyone will ever give him another multi year deal. I doubt he gets anywhere near $13M from anyone on the market, for certain no one will sign him if the Sox make the qualifying offer
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 1, 2013 23:18:12 GMT -5
ya, because I am sure he would much rather be a member of the marlins right now He thought he was going to be living in South Florida, now he is living in Canada? Besides the obvious climate differences, I wonder what tax consequences resulted from this trade... If you think the only thing that differentiates Toronto from Miami is the weather, you might just want to make your way there for a look see. Stay away from Vancouver, though. If you don't, you're likely to become just one more visitor who never leaves. As for the taxes, I've done the computations and tracked this for years. I have very good health insurance with a dental/vision package as well. Between the cost of that, the out-of-pockets, deductibles, meds, and so on, myself and my very healthy family have averaged about $7,000 to $8,000 a year. And I'm one of the fortunate ones. You can just tack that on to whatever you think you benefit from not paying Canadian taxes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 2, 2013 0:07:32 GMT -5
He thought he was going to be living in South Florida, now he is living in Canada? Besides the obvious climate differences, I wonder what tax consequences resulted from this trade... If you think the only thing that differentiates Toronto from Miami is the weather, you might just want to make your way there for a look see. Stay away from Vancouver, though. If you don't, you're likely to become just one more visitor who never leaves. As for the taxes, I've done the computations and tracked this for years. I have very good health insurance with a dental/vision package as well. Between the cost of that, the out-of-pockets, deductibles, meds, and so on, myself and my very healthy family have averaged about $7,000 to $8,000 a year. And I'm one of the fortunate ones. You can just tack that on to whatever you think you benefit from not paying Canadian taxes. Norm, I have no idea what you're talking about (do you live in Canada or something?) but I believe he was referring to the fact that Florida has no state income tax and thus taxes are lower there than most states in the U.S. That's one of the reasons why Lebron "took less" to play in Miami - after taxes he was still coming out ahead. According to Forbes, the trade cost Josh Johnson nearly $600k, and Reyes and Buehrle lost "similar amounts." www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/11/14/traded-marlins-players-will-take-2-million-tax-hit-in-canada/Considering that, plus the climate, plus the thing with his family/dog, I'm sure Buehrle isn't exactly loving life right now. This kind of thing was part of why I didn't get the people who were crowning the Jays in the preseason (not here, but pundits and friends of mine and such).
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Post by sarasoxer on May 2, 2013 6:58:57 GMT -5
Gorp with a couple of walks and a home run tonight. How about Cargo?
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Post by bluechip on May 2, 2013 7:33:06 GMT -5
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Post by station13 on May 2, 2013 8:26:22 GMT -5
Napoli....oh my
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 2, 2013 10:00:37 GMT -5
Tax implications aside, Toronto's a world-class city. I'm not going to cry for Mark Buerhle ... family issues notwithstanding, I'd probably choose Toronto over 90% of the cities of the MLB, including Miami.
Now, if he got traded to Houston, then he'd have my sympathy ...
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Post by sarasoxer on May 2, 2013 10:12:34 GMT -5
He is a lion, a tiger and a bear.... Interesting early season MLB team pitching stats; espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/year/2013/seasontype/2Sox have lowest BA against at .221 and are tied for the lead in quality starts with 20 in 27 games. They also lead in strikeouts with 266 in 240 innings!! Only one other team (Tigers) has more strikeouts than innings pitched. I can't remember this statistic ever occurring even in the relatively short term. The strikeout figures across the board speak to the changing baseball landscape. I know that chicks dig the LB and batters haven't choked up with 2 strikes for decades but there appears to be an accelerating and maybe alarming, phenomenon.....
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 2, 2013 11:06:36 GMT -5
If you think the only thing that differentiates Toronto from Miami is the weather, you might just want to make your way there for a look see. Stay away from Vancouver, though. If you don't, you're likely to become just one more visitor who never leaves. As for the taxes, I've done the computations and tracked this for years. I have very good health insurance with a dental/vision package as well. Between the cost of that, the out-of-pockets, deductibles, meds, and so on, myself and my very healthy family have averaged about $7,000 to $8,000 a year. And I'm one of the fortunate ones. You can just tack that on to whatever you think you benefit from not paying Canadian taxes. Norm, I have no idea what you're talking about (do you live in Canada or something?) but I believe he was referring to the fact that Florida has no state income tax and thus taxes are lower there than most states in the U.S. That's one of the reasons why Lebron "took less" to play in Miami - after taxes he was still coming out ahead. According to Forbes, the trade cost Josh Johnson nearly $600k, and Reyes and Buehrle lost "similar amounts." www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2012/11/14/traded-marlins-players-will-take-2-million-tax-hit-in-canada/Considering that, plus the climate, plus the thing with his family/dog, I'm sure Buehrle isn't exactly loving life right now. This kind of thing was part of why I didn't get the people who were crowning the Jays in the preseason (not here, but pundits and friends of mine and such). Yeah, I realized after I pushed that out the door and hit the sack that it was probably all about income tax (and only half my family is from Canada). I was also under the impression that Lebron "took less in Miami" so he could get "more" on the beach. Maybe the place will grow on Buehrle over time, regardless of the tax implications. My impression of the town - and the region - is that you do get what you pay for. I Know what you mean about the pre-season stuff, but I think there's more to it than not feeling comfortable after the trade. Johnson hasn't come around and there were questions about that, and Buehrle's stuff just doesn't play nearly as well as it did. He was always on the margin, and that margin has gotten even thinner. The player who did have the greatest value, Reyes, is hurt again. Someone posted right after the trade that Anthopoulos's future might hang on how well it worked out. So far, the returns haven't been very good.
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Post by jmei on May 2, 2013 11:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by bjb406 on May 2, 2013 15:02:39 GMT -5
If he has that type of season they'll give him the qualifying offer and it will probably shut down his market. Even if he has a year like he did in 2011 they can probably play it year to year moving forward. I really just don't think a productive year is all of a sudden going to fix the issue teams have with his hip. It hadn't been a problem for him prior to this year, but showed in the MRI. The degenerative condition will never get better, so I don't think anyone will ever give him another multi year deal. I doubt he gets anywhere near $13M from anyone on the market, for certain no one will sign him if the Sox make the qualifying offer you know his deal for THIS year is worth something like 13 millions if he plays the whole year
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Post by elguapo on May 2, 2013 15:59:48 GMT -5
you know his deal for THIS year is worth something like 13 millions if he plays the whole year $5m base + $8m incentives is not the same as a $13M guaranteed deal, and the Sox didn't have to give up a pick to get him as another team would if the Sox made the QO at the end of this year. Based on this offseason the Sox want to minimize guaranteed money given the condition.
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Post by mredsox89 on May 2, 2013 16:50:32 GMT -5
I really just don't think a productive year is all of a sudden going to fix the issue teams have with his hip. It hadn't been a problem for him prior to this year, but showed in the MRI. The degenerative condition will never get better, so I don't think anyone will ever give him another multi year deal. I doubt he gets anywhere near $13M from anyone on the market, for certain no one will sign him if the Sox make the qualifying offer you know his deal for THIS year is worth something like 13 millions if he plays the whole year Yea, but not guaranteed. And it's not going to get better over time. Now maybe some teams lax a little bit in terms what they're willing to give if he plays at a high level for an entire season without getting hurt, but a degenerative condition by definition only gets worse, and it's not like he's some young guy who can rebound if he does get hurt I doubt the Sox would have to extend the qualifying offer to keep him. They'll likely be able to work out a similar deal, maybe with a little more guaranteed if he plays at an AS level offensively all season
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Post by charliezink16 on May 2, 2013 17:10:57 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp 25m Shane Victorino is available if necessary today and should be in the lineup Friday in Texas.
Should be interesting to see how Farrell allocates playing time. Nava, IMO, needs to be in the lineup nearly everyday with the way he's hitting, working pitchers, and getting on base. Gorp is also killing it in LF; the platoon has been extremely impressive. Additionally, Napoli is a must start everyday at 1B. Lets not forget, before Victorino came down with his injury (4/24), Carp had all of 2 starts and 12 total AB's under his belt, and was the "extra" guy on the roster. With a 1.599 OPS in his limited playing time now, you can't just bench him, he needs to continue to see consistent AB's. So how will this all work? Ideally, Victorino/Nava and Gorp could platoon in RF and LF respectively, but it would sacrifice too much defensive value in RF. (Then again, IDEALLY, Nava could play 1B full time with Napoli behind the plate, but that ain't happening).
Here's the way I'd like to see it play out (estimates): LF Gorp: 80% of starts (Platoon w/ Carp seeing most starts and Gomes being used as valuable PH) Nava: 20% of starts
RF Victorino: 70% of starts (+10% of starts in CF) Nava: 30% of starts
1B Napoli: 80% of starts (+10% of starts at DH) Nava: 20% of starts
Thoughts?
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Post by ray88h66 on May 2, 2013 18:01:34 GMT -5
I think once he's healthy Victorino goes back to starting every day. I agree Nava needs to be playing every game right now. I see him 4 or 5 games a week in left. Filling in twice a week at first. Napoli gets one day off and one as DH, with Papi sitting out once a week. Gomes and Carp split the other games in Left, with an occasional start at 1st for Carp.
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Post by sarasoxer on May 2, 2013 18:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by iakovos11 on May 2, 2013 18:30:04 GMT -5
I hope they don't let Happ do to them what he did last time
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Post by bluechip on May 2, 2013 18:39:50 GMT -5
Happ is really getting squeezed a bit.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 2, 2013 18:53:21 GMT -5
Good to see that Napoli is maintaining his pace for 120 extra-base hits before the season is over.
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Post by iakovos11 on May 2, 2013 19:03:42 GMT -5
No K's in the first 2 innings for Dempster?!
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Post by jmei on May 2, 2013 19:15:07 GMT -5
Wheels are coming off for Dempster. Can't throw anything for a strike.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 2, 2013 19:18:15 GMT -5
Happ is really getting squeezed a bit. Everybody gettin' squeezed. Let's see which pitcher figures it out first. Hint: It isn't Happ...
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Post by iakovos11 on May 2, 2013 19:43:28 GMT -5
damn, 7 BB's for the Sox and they can only get 2 runs.
Squandered opportunities
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Post by soxfan06 on May 2, 2013 19:56:27 GMT -5
Any pitchers cheating tonight?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2013 20:18:55 GMT -5
Any pitchers cheating tonight? Dempster. Those K numbers he's putting proves it.
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